ChiGoose Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 7 hours ago, Chris farley said: um. from the Mueller report to impeachments, he keeps being found not guilty of said investigations. Please let me know of all of the trials in which Trump has been found not guilty. I also suggest actually reading the Mueller Report because you seem to think it said something it never said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 7 hours ago, cle23 said: Then prosecute her too. By all means they should if they can convince a jury to convict. ANYONE, regardless of party/position/whatever that breaks the law and abuses their position should be prosecuted. Except that’s not the way it works, and it never has. Power has its privileges, and drawing this particular line in the sand means next to nothing in context. Bill Clinton commits perjury, Eliot Spitzer traffics in call girls, Andre Cuomo cooks the books on nursing home deaths and is directly responsible for many, and W Bush lies about intelligence and war for oil. What they all have in common is they get off, scottso freezo (as an old friend used to say, RIP). To belabor a point we discussed the other day, Dems going around spreading election misinformation and withholding information critical to the published Russia narrative is approached completely differently than Trump’s “stop the steal” program. The establishment allows for politicians to deliberately and at times catastrophically lie/misrepresent and contribute to public unrest. It happens because it works, and the reality is that in spite of clear laws governing the handling of classified information, Donald Trump will be handled by a completely different standard than Joe Biden and his decades of disregard for the laws that govern the rest of us. So, yeah, in a perfect world, everyone gets the same carrot and stick. In reality, it’s imperative to understand the rules of the game and conduct oneself accordingly. Stop the steal is Ilegitimate Election/Russian collusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 53 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: , and it never has. Power has its privileges, and drawing this particular line in the sand means next to nothing in context. Bill Clinton commits perjury, Eliot Spitzer traffics in call girls, Andre Cuomo cooks the books on nursing home deaths and is directly responsible for many, and W Bush lies about intelligence and war for oil. What they all have in common is they get off, scottso freezo (as an old friend used to say, RIP). To belabor a point we discussed the other day, Dems going around spreading election misinformation and withholding information critical to the published Russia narrative is approached completely differently than Trump’s “stop the steal” program. The establishment allows for politicians to deliberately and at times catastrophically lie/misrepresent and contribute to public unrest. Except that's the way it's supposed to work. Shouldn't we aim for that? Even if it isn't currently true, we should be able to make it more so. Do you really believe we are that powerless? I don't. Stop the steal (Jan 6) and the Russia info are not even close to equal issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 For people wondering about my posts trying to manufacture a defense for Trump on the classified documents investigation ... it looks like new Trump buddy, old Epstein buddy Alan Dershowitz is thinking along the same lines: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/1/did-trump-declassify-documents-criminal-indictment/ I do take issue with this: "Theoretically, there could be evidence that Mr. Trump told an associate that he was taking classified material with him, knowing it was still classified. It is extremely unlikely, however, that any such evidence exists." Theoretically, Alan? The reports we just read yesterday involve exactly that type of evidence! Trump is allegedly on tape saying "I have a document about our Iran defense strategy, but I can't talk to you about that because it's still classified." Other than that, a solid article. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 15 hours ago, redtail hawk said: Except that's the way it's supposed to work. Shouldn't we aim for that? Even if it isn't currently true, we should be able to make it more so. Do you really believe we are that powerless? I don't. Stop the steal (Jan 6) and the Russia info are not even close to equal issues "The Russia info"...? Is that what the kids are calling it? It was a wholesale assault on the notion of free and fair elections, and election denialism (and in some cases, allegations of treason and a coup were raised) of the highest order by virtually every prominent democrat in the country. It just aligned with your political views. As for being 'powerless', quite the contrary. Prior to Trump taking up the flag on stolen elections---you and yours were all for outrageous claims that the 2016 election was illegitimate, even though the Mueller report ended up in the trash bin. I think you're getting exactly what you told the dem leadership you wanted---from government persecution to the intelligence community spreading false stories about potentially damaging information to FISA abuse etc. Your only standard is it has to be in your party's favor--and you got that when you voted in a 5 decade establishment politician. I'm not sure what more you are looking for. 2 1 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 40 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: persecution yes, we know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: yes, we know... #metoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: Establishment… from the Latin “stablis” ie, stable/firm why wouldnt we want someone who is stable and experienced? I swear, just because the reality tv actor lost badly tells you it must be rigged you don’t have to believe it. God have us big brains, use it Amen. We just have to trust the people and groups that got us into this long term mess, are the solutions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: Grown men should not be relying on the government to solve their problems I only expect the government to not be in my business or be the problem. like most on the right side of the hard left. but 81 M of you voted for the problem, to fix the problem. oh yeah. and debt cancellation. When do the college payments become due again? Edited June 2, 2023 by Chris farley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 I get it. that college debt part struck a nerve. It's got to be tough to have a crap load of debt and no actual marketable skills. Then folks stuck trying to pay back all that debt while working some menial and low paying job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: Are you talking to me or to a cloud? I have no college debt anymore musing on why so many voted for the problem, under the guise of college debt reduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: is it that hard to believe that the majority of the public thought the reality tv actor sucked at his job? Only if you live in a bubble. Trump was deeply unpopular and chaotic while the country was in the midst of a pandemic. Biden was boring old normalcy. It’s not a surprise at all to anyone actually paying attention. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 1 hour ago, SUNY_amherst said: boring has been kinda nice LMAO. aint nothing been boring about Biden. but good examples of media programming. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Only if you live in a bubble. Trump was deeply unpopular and chaotic while the country was in the midst of a pandemic. Biden was boring old normalcy. It’s not a surprise at all to anyone actually paying attention. Yeah, he promised to shut down the virus and people believed him. This is what you get when you vote out of fear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Queue the "republicans are evil but Dems are only incompetent" in 3....2...1... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Doc said: Yeah, he promised to shut down the virus and people believed him. This is what you get when you vote out of fear. Or you’re just so tired of the immature, chaotic dumbassery of the current guy that you just want to move on to someone else. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 11 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Or you’re just so tired of the immature, chaotic dumbassery of the current guy that you just want to move on to someone else. Yes, I really do want to move on to someone other than Joke... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, ChiGoose said: Or you’re just so tired of the immature, chaotic dumbassery of the current guy that you just want to move on to someone else. Sure, but your guy(s) spread election misinformation, your guy(s) lied about evidence tying Trump to the Kremlin, fostered and encouraged national discord, spread COVID misinformation and vax confusion, and the leader of the crew stumbles around like a punch drunk boxer making all sorts of claims that reflect immaturity, dumbassery, and lies to rival the old guy. These facts are indisputable. In the end, people vote for ideas that help them at home. It would be silly to argue that some people voted for Biden because they didn’t like Trump—of course that happened. Importantly though— policy matters , for example—it sure gets a lot easier to vote for the tired old punch drunk boxer when he offers to take care of a your personal debt. It’s silly to argue otherwise. Edited June 3, 2023 by leh-nerd skin-erd 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 6 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Importantly though— policy matters , for example—it sure gets a lot easier to vote for the tired old punch drunk boxer when he offers to take care of a your personal debt. It’s silly to argue otherwise. Did he not sacrifice that token for the debt ceiling deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 51 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Did he not sacrifice that token for the debt ceiling deal? The debt ceiling deal was not made prior to the 2020 election, Red, when folks like yourself voted the party line and all that came with it. I’m all for respectful dialogue but you’re starting to sound a bit like JB. Soon you’ll be calling me Molly Hatchet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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