Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: So now you’re saying trumps beliefs substantiate things??? Yes, trump describes the plan here. He's the leader of the party and was sitting prez for crying out loud 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) "All we are demanding of Vice President Pence is that this afternoon at 1:00 he let the legislatures of the states look into this ..." Trump endorsed the Eastman plan. The mob-turned-riot was a pressure tactic to obstruct the functioning of congress and to put the squeeze on Pence to accede to this plan "to let the legislatures of the states look into this ..." Which would be the functional equivalent of letting the legislatures of those states certify "fake electors" (the term the Michigan Republicans themselves used!) Edited July 20, 2023 by The Frankish Reich 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 On 7/18/2023 at 4:33 PM, The Frankish Reich said: Michigan fake electors charged - and here's the kicker: in emails, the Michigan Republicans literally used the term "fake electors" among themselves before someone said, "hey guys, maybe we shouldn't be calling them 'fake electors.'" They then changed the nomenclature to "alternative electors." Can't make this crap up. Video SHOWS Two MI GOP Electors Explaining Why They Cast A “Back Up Slate” of Electoral Votes in 2020 Election —Blows Up Fake Case by Activist Democrat AG Dana Nessel Against Them by Patty McMurray Instead of investigating what looks an awful lot like voter fraud at drop boxes across Detroit, the vindictive AG, who won her first election when legalized marijuana was on the ballot and her re-election when abortion was on the ballot, was, instead, laser-focused on taking down two of President Trump’s most effective advocates in the state of Michigan, the former MI GOP co-chair Meshawn Maddock and grassroots leader and MI GOP Grassroots Vice Chair Marian Sheridan. Both women are fearless and outspoken patriots and, along with their MCC (Michigan Conservative Coalition) group, were largely responsible for Trump’s Michigan victory in 2020. After AG Nessel, whose case against the MI electors she sent to fellow radical AG Garland to investigate, apparently fell flat, she was left with no option but to start her own witch hunt. Her goal, of course, is to cause the MI GOP electors and vocal Trump supporters as much public pain as possible. Democrats in positions of power are now using lawfare against their political enemies to humiliate and financially devastate them. Their plot is accomplished by filing bogus or manufactured claims against them, and then they sit back and watch while the government pays their legal fees. The video shown below reveals the hypocrisy of AG Dana Nessel, who’s determined to take down the entire group of 16 GOP electors. Part of the video was taken at a press conference before the certification of the 2020 election. It showed MI GOP electors Marian Sheridan and Meshawn Maddock explaining in detail why they wanted to cast alternate electoral votes for President Trump. They were clearly not hiding what they were doing and were surrounded by lawyers and MI State lawmakers. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/video-shows-two-mi-gop-electors-explaining-why/ This is another go-nowhere political stunt designed to fool the ignorant masses of the fantasy that something nefarious happened. Typical behavior for tyrannical governments such as the USSR, DDR and the banana Republic that was once known as the United States. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Read the Eastman memos, or the wiki summary of them (which is very good). Who was on the stage with Trump on that rally on The Mall on the morning of January 6? Could it be ... John Eastman?? it was a BS argument and Pence knew he had no constitutional authority to overturn anything. You don’t think this would’ve been a problem in 250 years if standing vp could change election? come on guys stop being so gullible… 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: it was a BS argument and Pence knew he had no constitutional authority to overturn anything. You don’t think this would’ve been a problem in 250 years if standing vp could change election? come on guys stop being so gullible… 😂 trump believed he did or at least convinced a majority of MAGA morons to believe it.. He was president. What about that do you not understand? How do you defend what he himself said multiple times? Edited July 20, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Kemp said: And yet Trump and his supporters believed it. You know it's not a Mensa group when MTG is their most powerful representative. By the way, when is the MTG-Boebert PPV brawl scheduled? Boebert is in a much lighter weight class, but my money is on her and her sidearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Who said I was in lock step with them? I’m not. What I’m in lock step is common sense sanity. Only a hack, a dishonest massive partisan hypocrite will tell you that Trump posed some kind of threat to this country. And that he’s evil. You people are broken. There is no salvaging you. The country? My side is trying. Your side is cheering deep state lawfare simply because of your delusions of Trump as Hitler. If 2020 played out without Covid - and things were normal and Trump lost - actually lost - and we didn’t have MASSIVE social media and Democrat party collusion to do it, then I’d find the actions of the protesters that day to be beyond stupid and unbecoming of the Republic. Unfortunately, Branch Covidians and the Commies at Silicon Valley ***t all over the Republic in March of 2020. So you all can just ***k right off. Never forget. The sum of all of this is that you’re still a part-time commie. how conflicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 1 minute ago, redtail hawk said: trump believed he did. Correction: Trump pretended he believed it. Or to be more accurate, couldn't care less whether it was a defensible legal theory or not. It was a legal theory that supported him, that supported him remaining president. That's his view of the law throughout his entire career. If a lawyer tells him "you can't do that," he fires that lawyer and hires a scummier one who will concoct a theory that says he can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Another traitor. Wonder what Smith will charge him with. Hopefully sedition. 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: Correction: Trump pretended he believed it. Or to be more accurate, couldn't care less whether it was a defensible legal theory or not. It was a legal theory that supported him, that supported him remaining president. That's his view of the law throughout his entire career. If a lawyer tells him "you can't do that," he fires that lawyer and hires a scummier one who will concoct a theory that says he can. yup, I was editing as you typed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Another traitor. Wonder what Smith will charge him with. Hopefully sedition. yup, I was editing as you typed! 🍺 Look at Trump's choice of legal counsel over the years. He ran (by his estimation, and by his obvious accumulation of wealth) a remarkably successful privately held business. Did he use the usual lawyers you'd expect someone like that to use? The Harvard/Yale/Stanford big law attorneys at the top of the profession. No. He used Michael Cohen, a graduate of what is usually thought to be the worst accredited law school in America. Because those big law types actually have some scruples, or at least are afraid of losing their reputation/law license by engaging in the kind of crap Trump wanted (demanded) them to do on a daily basis. Michael Cohen? Not so much. Eastman is interesting because he is intelligent, but he also became so involved with right-wing politics that he found himself bending the law and constitution beyond recognition to aid Trump's selfish agenda. Edited July 20, 2023 by The Frankish Reich 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 30 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Nothing- pence’s role in election certification is purely symbolic. The theory he could do anything to change the outcome was total nonsense Hoax. Had Pence done Trump’s bidding at that stage, we would have had a constitutional crisis. MAGA morons here then would have something else to point to with respect to the false claim that the election was stolen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 1 hour ago, redtail hawk said: Well written. But you should have aimed it at yourself. Which side here acts the victims? Which side here condones political violence? Which side here apologizes for bad acts and bad people? I think that extremists, like Kemp, hold extreme views. That's a universal truth and transcends political ideology. While I appreciate the work you put in here, I'm comfortable with the thoughts I shared with Kemp. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: 🍺 Look at Trump's choice of legal counsel over the years. He ran (by his estimation, and by his obvious accumulation of wealth) a remarkably successful privately held business. Did he use the usual lawyers you'd expect someone like that to use? The Harvard/Yale/Stanford big law attorneys at the top of the profession. No. He used Michael Cohen, a graduate of what is usually thought to be the worst accredited law school in America. Because those big law types actually have some scruples, or at least are afraid of losing their reputation/law license by engaging in the kind of crap Trump wanted (demanded) them to do on a daily basis. Michael Cohen? Not so much. Eastman is interesting because he is intelligent, but he also became so involved with right-wing politics that he found himself bending the law and constitution beyond recognition to aid Trump's selfish agenda. Working for that fool is a career killer. It would be like a medical doctor trumpeting HCQ and/or Ivermectin as a viable treatment/treatments for COVID. You’d be viewed as a toxic moron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: trump believed he did or at least convinced a majority of MAGA morons to believe it.. He was president. What about that do you not understand? How do you defend what he himself said multiple times? Who’s defending anything?? The very simple argument is no matter what orange man said, pence didn’t have legal constitutional authority to overturn election… so all this handwringing about a nearly successful insurrection is laughably naive and frankly quite funny…. So much fear in the hearts of the easily manipulated. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 34 minutes ago, Kemp said: Again. When I support a crime, you'll have a point. You're free to tell me to ***** off, because what else do you have? The video of lib lunatics attempting to attack the White House and being cheered on by the media. And Democrats along with the media and Hollywood trash calling for electors to not verify the 2016 election - complete with a running countdown before Trump took office and life as you know it would be over - actually that did happen because the entire anti Trump establishment let China attack us with the flu and watch us lose our minds because they knew you hated Trump so badly for reasons still unclear that you’d wear a face diaper and stay 6 feet apart indefinitely But carry on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 26 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Yes, trump describes the plan here. He's the leader of the party and was sitting prez for crying out loud ok now do the one about bleach injection, did that make it true? 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: Working for that fool is a career killer. It would be like a medical doctor trumpeting HCQ and/or Ivermectin as a viable treatment/treatments for COVID. You’d be viewed as a toxic moron. Trump did have some of the Republican old guard Big Law firms helping him out at the start. Obviously they weren't comfortable with the crazy ass course things were taking; they also bailed, leaving him with the likes of Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell. https://www.jonesday.com/en/news/2020/11/jones-day-statement-regarding-election-litigation 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: The very simple argument is no matter what orange man said, pence didn’t have legal constitutional authority to overturn election So why did Trump - with the backing of John Eastman's memos - insist that he did? 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: ok now do the one about bleach injection, did that make it true? 😂 I've been mainlining Clorox for three years now and I'm still feeling great. Don't knock it till you try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: Trump did have some of the Republican old guard Big Law firms helping him out at the start. Obviously they weren't comfortable with the crazy ass course things were taking; they also bailed, leaving him with the likes of Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell. https://www.jonesday.com/en/news/2020/11/jones-day-statement-regarding-election-litigation So why did Trump - with the backing of John Eastman's memos - insist that he did? Eastmans legal theory was trash. Talk to some lawyers… constitutional lawyers if you can find them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Eastmans legal theory was trash. Talk to some lawyers… constitutional lawyers if you can find them. I agree. So simple question. Agree or Disagree: Trump's endorsement of a clearly invalid legal theory that could have kept him in the presidency means that he should never hold that office again. 7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: because the entire anti Trump establishment let China attack us with the flu Poke a Trumpie hard enough and he bleeds Q Anon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Eastmans legal theory was trash. Talk to some lawyers… constitutional lawyers if you can find them. So why did trump run with it? They knew it was trash. Just wanted to get to the constitutional crisis stage...true "patriots". but you already know all this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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