Covid Protocols 2023

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

How do you explain a vax/mask compliant nation like Japan being at a one year high for covid deaths? Red state hillbillies infiltrated the island? 

It's a worldwide pandemic by definition.  The time to eradicate it (like polio was til dummies stopped getting vaxed) was early.  But by all means wring your hands and say further mitigation attempts are worthless and ignore people who have spent their lives studying infectious diseases and spec virology.  "do your own research".

Edited January 20, 2023 by redtail hawk

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

OR (more likely) the anti vax holdouts have enabled the virus to become indigenous  and now, even with vaccination on a massive scale, we're all still at risk and some of those people still die. (esp the old and infirm).

That literally makes no sense at all. If the old and vulnerable are/were vaccinated then they wouldn’t be at risk of getting a serious case of Covid…no matter what anyone else is doing. We took the absolute wrong approach to this entire thing. The lesson that should have been learned is that listening to only one point of view, and stifling debate and opinion, is a ridiculous and dangerous approach to public health. 

[JDHillFan]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

It's a worldwide pandemic by definition.

Which apparently is still ongoing and killing compliant people at one year high levels even with operation warp speed miracle vax. Which according to you keeps people out of the hospital. 

[BillsFanNC]

13 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

Seems most folks current covid protocol is to laugh at the folks wearing mask alone in their cars.

 

other than that it seems to be a few holdovers from the branchcovidian mob trying desperately to maintain that control.

 

 

 

 

 

I was at a scientific conference in DC in December. N95 masks were mandatory. I never wore one the entire three days and nobody said a single word to me the entire time.

 

When we had booth visitors they would more often than not remove their masks while talking to us face to face while we huddled in front of a monitor so I could walk them through data.

 

It's complete performance theater and my experience there further drives home the point that even if masks were effective at slowing spread of respiratory viruses, almost nobody wears them properly anyway.

[wnyguy]

1 minute ago, JDHillFan said:

Which apparently is still ongoing and killing compliant people at one year high levels even with operation warp speed miracle vax. Which according to you keeps people out of the hospital. 

You won't get sick and you won't ever die - Wilford Brimley

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

That literally makes no sense at all. If the old and vulnerable are/were vaccinated then they wouldn’t be at risk of getting a serious case of Covid…no matter what anyone else is doing. We took the absolute wrong approach to this entire thing. The lesson that should have been learned is that listening to only one point of view, and stifling debate and opinion, is a ridiculous and dangerous approach to public health. 

it makes perfect sense.  The virus spread and mutated like wildfire, in part because of nohnvaxed and idiots who believed in herd immunity (which as predicted is taking many years to develop).  It's possible that nothing would have stopped the virus (I personally don't hold this belief) but many fewer would be dead had there been universal vaccination.  No doubt about it.

[JaCrispy]

Sam Harris embarrasses him in unhinged Covid rant…

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

That literally makes no sense at all. If the old and vulnerable are/were vaccinated then they wouldn’t be at risk of getting a serious case of Covid…no matter what anyone else is doing. We took the absolute wrong approach to this entire thing. The lesson that should have been learned is that listening to only one point of view, and stifling debate and opinion, is a ridiculous and dangerous approach to public health. 

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations.  like I said, you can't fix stupid sadly.  I'd rather be on powder skis in knee deep snow but ya know...

Edited January 20, 2023 by redtail hawk

[BillsFanNC]

Next time someone asks you about getting the covid vaccine, ask them if they plan to get their 2020 seasonal flu vaccine.

 

 

 

 

[JDHillFan]

7 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

It's a worldwide pandemic by definition.  The time to eradicate it (like polio was til dummies stopped getting vaxed) was early.  But by all means wring your hands and say further mitigation attempts are worthless and ignore people who have spent their lives studying infectious diseases and spec virology.  "do your own research".

I stopped wringing my hands after my two round vax when all the numbers indicated that having done so would not prevent me from getting infected nor from spreading infection no matter what the Wolinsky’s, Biden’s and Maddow’s of the world were telling us. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, JDHillFan said:

I stopped wringing my hands after my two round vax when all the numbers indicated that having done so would not prevent me from getting infected nor from spreading infection no matter what the Wolinsky’s, Biden’s and Maddow’s of the world were telling us. 

I'm shocked😒 Hopefully you're not utd on polio and measles  vax...kidding.

Edited January 20, 2023 by redtail hawk

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, redtail hawk said:

it makes perfect sense.  The virus spread and mutated like wildfire, in part because of nohnvaxed and idiots who believed in herd immunity (which as predicted is taking many years to develop).  It's possible that nothing would have stopped the virus (I personally don't hold this belief) but many fewer would be dead had there been universal vaccination.  No doubt about it.

Unbelievable! You really don’t understand, do you? If the people who are dying are the old and vulnerable then the ONLY people who need this medication are the old and vulnerable! This was very badly advertised to the American people by politicians and a public health system that was trying to score political points and was in bed with the pharmaceutical companies who were making money by the bushel full. And the American people saw it with their own eyes, in their own homes, all around then. Yet somehow you still believe that the Emperor still has clothes on? 

[JDHillFan]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

I'm shocked😒 Hopefully you're not utd on polio and measles  vax...kidding.

Do your part and stay six feet apart. You obviously failed to do so at church. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Unbelievable! You really don’t understand, do you? If the people who are dying are the old and vulnerable then the ONLY people who need this medication are the old and vulnerable! This was very badly advertised to the American people by politicians and a public health system that was trying to score political points and was in bed with the pharmaceutical companies who were making money by the bushel full. And the American people saw it with their own eyes, in their own homes, all around then. Yet somehow you still believe that the Emperor still has clothes on? 

No you really don't understand. Get a book on medical statistics and come back with a cogent argument

[BillsFanNC]

4 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations.  like I said, you can't fix stupid sadly.  I'd rather be on powder skis in knee deep snow but ya know...

 

 

You heard of pubmed?

 

Lots of estimating and simulating in their methodology. 

 

The model parameters included the population demographics of the U.S., prevalence of comorbidities, an empirically determined contact network accounting for changes in pandemic restrictions and mobility patterns, as well as age-specific risks of severe health outcomes because of COVID-19. The model incorporated data on daily vaccine doses administered in the U.S. and implemented the age-based expansion of the vaccination program. The minimum age eligibility for vaccination was 16 years before May 13, 2021, after which children 12 to 15 became eligible for vaccination. Vaccination of children ages 5 to 11 with Pfizer-BioNTech started on November 2, 2021; vaccination of children ages 6 months to 5 years began on June 18, 2022. First boosters were authorized to elderly people and individuals with comorbidities on September 1, 2021, and expanded to other age groups over the next few months. On March 29, 2022, an additional booster was recommended, and an Omicron-specific booster was introduced on September 1, 2022.

Vaccine efficacies against infection, and symptomatic and severe disease for different vaccine types — for each variant and by time since vaccination — were drawn from published estimates. The model was calibrated to reported national incidence data between October 1, 2020, and November 30, 2022, and validated with the trends of hospitalizations and deaths.

We evaluated the impact of vaccine rollout by simulating the pandemic trajectory under the counterfactual scenario without vaccination. The simulated outcomes of total infections, hospitalizations, and deaths were compared to the fitted model, reflecting the actual pandemic in the U.S. and vaccinations that occurred between December 12, 2020, and November 30, 2022. We then estimated medical cost savings based on these averted outcomes, as previously described.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Just now, JDHillFan said:

Do your part and stay six feet apart. You obviously failed to do so at church. 

no sh!t sherlock.  We all make mistakes and we're all tired of universal precautions.  I'm paying the dues now...

[JDHillFan]

Just now, redtail hawk said:

no sh!t sherlock.  We all make mistakes and we're all tired of universal precautions.  I'm paying the dues now...

You seem smart enough. You should have sequestered yourself before a dream vacation. Sometimes it’s hard to identify a redstate hillbilly if they were ever lucky enough to have access to dentistry. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

 

You heard of pubmed?

 

Lots of estimating and simulating in their methodology. 

 

The model parameters included the population demographics of the U.S., prevalence of comorbidities, an empirically determined contact network accounting for changes in pandemic restrictions and mobility patterns, as well as age-specific risks of severe health outcomes because of COVID-19. The model incorporated data on daily vaccine doses administered in the U.S. and implemented the age-based expansion of the vaccination program. The minimum age eligibility for vaccination was 16 years before May 13, 2021, after which children 12 to 15 became eligible for vaccination. Vaccination of children ages 5 to 11 with Pfizer-BioNTech started on November 2, 2021; vaccination of children ages 6 months to 5 years began on June 18, 2022. First boosters were authorized to elderly people and individuals with comorbidities on September 1, 2021, and expanded to other age groups over the next few months. On March 29, 2022, an additional booster was recommended, and an Omicron-specific booster was introduced on September 1, 2022.

Vaccine efficacies against infection, and symptomatic and severe disease for different vaccine types — for each variant and by time since vaccination — were drawn from published estimates. The model was calibrated to reported national incidence data between October 1, 2020, and November 30, 2022, and validated with the trends of hospitalizations and deaths.

We evaluated the impact of vaccine rollout by simulating the pandemic trajectory under the counterfactual scenario without vaccination. The simulated outcomes of total infections, hospitalizations, and deaths were compared to the fitted model, reflecting the actual pandemic in the U.S. and vaccinations that occurred between December 12, 2020, and November 30, 2022. We then estimated medical cost savings based on these averted outcomes, as previously described.

and...the conclusions of the study might be important.

1 minute ago, JDHillFan said:

You seem smart enough. You should have sequestered yourself before a dream vacation. Sometimes it’s hard to identify a redstate hillbilly if they were ever lucky enough to have access to dentistry. 

yeah well...there's always next year .  The rockies will still be there.  And Davos is another good bet.  They have a12 mile run and strict covid protocols.

[BillsFanNC]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Unbelievable! You really don’t understand, do you? If the people who are dying are the old and vulnerable then the ONLY people who need this medication are the old and vulnerable! This was very badly advertised to the American people by politicians and a public health system that was trying to score political points and was in bed with the pharmaceutical companies who were making money by the bushel full. And the American people saw it with their own eyes, in their own homes, all around then. Yet somehow you still believe that the Emperor still has clothes on? 

 

They've always been right. 

 

I wonder why Twitter and Facebook censored them?

 

Follow the Science(tm)!

 

But not those scientists at Stanford, Oxford and Harvard who don't fall in line.

 

https://gbdeclaration.org

 

It reads in part...

 

Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice. 

 

Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza. 

[JDHillFan]

7 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

and...the conclusions of the study might be important.

yeah well...there's always next year .  The rockies will still be there.  And Davos is another good bet.  They have a12 mile run and strict covid protocols.

Hopefully masked up for the run. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

Yes, we'd all rather be arguing with dumbfks than going to dinner parties, eating at great restaurants with friends, skiing some of the best terrain in N America and snowmobiling around Yellowstone.  Meanwhile, only a million or so Americans have died.  Party on Garth! How life works, indeed.

I find this take interesting. 
 

On the one hand we have Trump dealing with a crisis, working with private industry/government to develop a solution to an evolving problem.  We have most states completely unprepared to deal with this particular type of problem, though it was predictable long before it commenced. 
 

Trump brings together the public/private sector, eliminates the roadblocks and hurdles that are in the way, routinely holds press conferences to update citizens and knock down confusion, and ultimately delivers the vaccines we had been told just a few months earlier would likely save the world.  
 

On the other hand, social-justice minded democrats are routinely found violating the protocols they’ve established, encouraging (or refusing to discourage) mass gatherings that contribute directly to the virus spreading like wildfire, and said gatherings often resulting in the virus returning to what were declared to be high risk neighborhoods. 
 

Ultimately, Kamala Harris spreads vax misinformation, leading to even more confusion amongst people at greatest risk, and shortly after taking office, Biden boots COVID management from his desk back to the states.  Meanwhile, the “VAX VAX BOOST to save your fellow man!” mantra gets reimagined and the narrative changes to focusing on people who have received at least one shot. 
 

 Finally, we see an increase in year over year COVID death counts on a Biden watch in spite of him walking in after virtually all of the solutions were addressed.  
 

Give me the crazy bankrupt guy who solves problems over the career bureaucrat who knows the best thing to do is make it someone else’s problem. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, JDHillFan said:

Hopefully masked up for the run. 

I'd bet I'd still kick your ass.  Good lord,  unvaxed healthcare workers.  In some parts of the country almost 50%.  F'in craziness.

[SoCal Deek]

13 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

No you really don't understand. Get a book on medical statistics and come back with a cogent argument

I’m honestly sorry you’re not feeling well. But somehow you’ve convinced yourself that you caught Covid at church, and that you must’ve caught it from an unvaccinated person? How you know either of those to be true is beyond me. You apparently found your own personal Patient Zero. I hope you feel better. Seriously 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

6 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I find this take interesting. 
 

On the one hand we have Trump dealing with a crisis, working with private industry/government to develop a solution to an evolving problem.  We have most states completely unprepared to deal with this particular type of problem, though it was predictable long before it commenced. 
 

Trump brings together the public/private sector, eliminates the roadblocks and hurdles that are in the way, routinely holds press conferences to update citizens and knock down confusion, and ultimately delivers the vaccines we had been told just a few months earlier would likely save the world.  
 

On the other hand, social-justice minded democrats are routinely found violating the protocols they’ve established, encouraging (or refusing to discourage) mass gatherings that contribute directly to the virus spreading like wildfire, and said gatherings often resulting in the virus returning to what were declared to be high risk neighborhoods. 
 

Ultimately, Kamala Harris spreads vax misinformation, leading to even more confusion amongst people at greatest risk, and shortly after taking office, Biden boots COVID management from his desk back to the states.  Meanwhile, the “VAX VAX BOOST to save your fellow man!” mantra gets reimagined and the narrative changes to focusing on people who have received at least one shot. 
 

 Finally, we see an increase in year over year COVID death counts on a Biden watch in spite of him walking in after virtually all of the solutions were addressed.  
 

Give me the crazy bankrupt guy who solves problems over the career bureaucrat who knows the best thing to do is make it someone else’s problem. 

give me the infectious disease specialists and epidemiologists who know science over the "own research" dummies.

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m honestly sorry you’re not feeling well. But somehow you’ve convinced yourself that you caught Covid at church, and that you must’ve caught it from an unvaccinated person? How you know either of those to be true is beyond me. You apparently found your own personal Patient Zero. I hope you feel better. Seriously 

I think it's very likely, I got it at church.  Could have been elsewhere.  Could have been from a vaxed individual.  Doesn't change the fact that early adoption of universal vaccination would have made the event less likely.  kapisch?

Edited January 20, 2023 by redtail hawk

[JDHillFan]

8 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I'd bet I'd still kick your ass.  Good lord,  unvaxed healthcare workers.  In some parts of the country almost 50%.  F'in craziness.

How much do you bench?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

How much do you bench?

it's more about the legs dude.  brings up an interesting side note.  The gym I go to has the only inner and outer thigh machine in the women's section.  I have to ask permission to go in there to use it because some MAGA women feel uncomfortable by men being in there.  on the other hand, Yoga classes with predominantly women never seem to have a problem.  go figure.

Edited January 20, 2023 by redtail hawk

[wnyguy]

10 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I'd bet I'd still kick your ass.  Good lord,  unvaxed healthcare workers.  In some parts of the country almost 50%.  F'in craziness.

That might be because the vaccine does not prevent you getting the virus or spreading the virus. 

[Doc]

40 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

OR (more likely) the anti vax holdouts have enabled the virus to become indigenous  and now, even with vaccination on a massive scale, we're all still at risk and some of those people still die. (esp the old and infirm).

 

Many vax holdouts were blacks, thanks in large part to what Kamala Harris and others said about not trusting the vaccine (because they knew it was coming out soon and if it came out before the election, like it should have, would have ensured Trump won).

 

34 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

It's a worldwide pandemic by definition.  The time to eradicate it (like polio was til dummies stopped getting vaxed) was early.  But by all means wring your hands and say further mitigation attempts are worthless and ignore people who have spent their lives studying infectious diseases and spec virology.  "do your own research".

 

Eradicate it?  LOL!  With 16 billion doses given to everyone right at the start?  Even now it's a pipe dream.

[BillsFanNC]

10 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

give me the infectious disease specialist who know science of the "own research" dummies.

 

Here's an anecdote.

 

During the height of the pandemic in 2020 I was still traveling and doing demos at universities and corporations that allowed it. As you'd expect during 2020 the hoops I needed to jump through were extensive.  I visited researchers in a variety of fields...immunologists, molecular biologists, virologists etc. All of them masked and 6 ft when I arrived and through the whole demo.

 

One researcher however who is at a prestigious university in the southeast and also department chair in infectious disease, greeted me without a mask and offered that I take mine off if I wanted. 

 

He must be MAGA.

Edited January 20, 2023 by BillsFanNC

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Here's an anecdote.

 

During the height of the pandemic in 2020 I was still traveling and doing demos at universities and corporations that allowed it. As you'd expect during 2020 the hoops I needed to jump through were extensive.  I visited researchers in a variety of fields...immunologists, molecular biologists, virologists etc. All of them masked and 6 ft when I arrived and through the whole demo.

 

One researcher however who is at a prestigious university in the southeast and also department chair in infectious disease, greeted me without a mask and offered that I take mine off if I wanted. 

 

He must be MAGA.

 

No, he just knew that the masks and 6 feet apart were political ploys.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

That might be because the vaccine does not prevent you getting the virus or spreading the virus. 

yes,  at this point adequately staffing hospitals is the main concern.  do you wonder why so many have quit?

[BillsFanNC]

Just now, Doc said:

 

No, he just knew that the masks and 6 feet apart were political ploys.

 

Of course. MAGA comment was sarcasm.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Here's an anecdote.

 

During the height of the pandemic in 2020 I was still traveling and doing demos at universities and corporations that allowed it. As you'd expect during 2020 the hoops I needed to jump through were extensive.  I visited researchers in a variety of fields...immunologists, molecular biologists, virologists etc. All of them masked and 6 ft when I arrived and through the whole demo.

 

One researcher however who is at a prestigious university in the southeast and also department chair in infectious disease, greeted me without a mask and offered that I take mine off if I wanted. 

 

He must be MAGA.

yes, outliers exist. let me guess.  you're a drug rep...

Edited January 20, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

Of course. MAGA comment was sarcasm.

 

I know.  Sorry.

[JDHillFan]

10 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

it's more about the legs dude.  brings up an interesting side note.  The gym I go to has the only inner and outer thigh machine in the women's section.  I have to ask permission to go in there to use it because some MAGA women feel uncomfortable by men being in there.  on the other hand, Yoga classes with predominantly women never seem to have a problem.  go figure.

Buy yourself a thigh master. Will decrease your exposure to MAGA. Everybody wins. 

[BillsFanNC]

4 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

yes, outliers exist. let me guess.  you're a drug rep...

 

Nope. I sell very expensive scientific research equipment.  Spent many years in academic and corporate research. Extensive publications in peer reviewed journals. Many patents. Molecular biologist/immunologist.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

6 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Buy yourself a thigh master. Will decrease your exposure to MAGA. Everybody wins. 

yoga's the better \option imo.  Women there are better looking as well.

4 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Nope. I sell very expensive scientific research equipment.  Spent many years in academic and corporate research. Extensive publications in peer reviewed journals. Many patents. Molecular biologist/immunologist.

you missed/ are missing your chance to save the world.  how do you feel about polio and measles vaxes?  flu shots?

Edited January 20, 2023 by redtail hawk

[JDHillFan]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

yoga's the better \option imo.  Women there are better looking as well.

There’s no shortage of objectifying women among your sort. 
 

That’s a joke. You put it on a tee. Doesn’t mean it’s a funny joke. 
 

I did some DDP yoga a few years back and never felt better. Need to find an age appropriate program that won’t have me creeping on women like you. 

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

you missed/ are missing your chance to save the world.

 

No, we have Fauci...

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, JDHillFan said:

There’s no shortage of objectifying women among your sort. 
 

That’s a joke. You put it on a tee. Doesn’t mean it’s a funny joke. 
 

I did some DDP yoga a few years back and never felt better. Need to find an age appropriate program that won’t have me creeping on women like you. 

umm procreation and mate attraction are necessary conditions for human life...