maddenboy Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 12:03 AM, Sierra Foothills said: It's splitting hairs but I disagree. I've never seen a more risk averse QB than Cousins. He makes Trent Edwards look like Indiana Jones. Expand Tyrod Taylor on line 2. He says its urgent. Quote
Thurman#1 Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/13/2022 at 11:40 PM, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Captain Kirk is the master of making that $$$$ Expand He has them so trapped and ensnared. I really liked him with the Skins and thought he'd be a franchise guy somewhere. He is, I think, but the contract he got them to sign, with all the guarantees, left them all in on him from instant one. They've no real way out. At some point, someone will have to bite the bullet on getting rid of him, but if this GM does, he's completely admitting Cousins fleeced him. Glad I'm not a Vikes fan. Quote
eball Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/13/2022 at 11:53 PM, Chicken Boo said: I don't understand the Cousins hate. He's in the next tier of QBs below the elite ones. I'd take him over Derek Carr any day. Expand Cousins is the definition of a “system” QB who will simply not go off script or off schedule, which means he is a fine QB during quarters 1-3 but when you need your QB to make things happen he fails miserably. Coaches likely love him because they know he will follow the play call religiously. He has as much said it himself. It’s not worth it to him to take any real chances with the ball. As a fan I never want that guy in the most important position in football. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/13/2022 at 11:42 PM, BuffaloBills1998 said: Minnesota is the definition of stupid. I said before they should’ve stuck with Keenum. Expand Why give up a top 10 QB for a journeyman scrub? Quote
Mr. WEO Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 11:10 AM, eball said: Cousins is the definition of a “system” QB who will simply not go off script or off schedule, which means he is a fine QB during quarters 1-3 but when you need your QB to make things happen he fails miserably. Coaches likely love him because they know he will follow the play call religiously. He has as much said it himself. It’s not worth it to him to take any real chances with the ball. As a fan I never want that guy in the most important position in football. Expand In the 4th Q, he has thrown more TDs and passed for more yards than any other Q. He has more TD passes when trailing than when ahead or tied combined. 1 Quote
eball Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 11:34 AM, Mr. WEO said: In the 4th Q, he has thrown more TDs and passed for more yards than any other Q. He has more TD passes when trailing than when ahead or tied combined. Expand Great example of how stats are misleading. Quote
Thurman#1 Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 11:26 AM, Mr. WEO said: Why give up a top 10 QB for a journeyman scrub? Expand Because other factors in the deal might fall into place better. There are a lot of other factors. Money, guaranteed money, whether or not they are rebuilding, length of contract, which guy would be easier/harder to trade and which would bring in more trade capital if they're going to draft a QB next year. On and on, really. You're certainly right that Cousins is better, but most decisions are a lot more complex than that. On 3/14/2022 at 11:34 AM, Mr. WEO said: In the 4th Q, he has thrown more TDs and passed for more yards than any other Q. He has more TD passes when trailing than when ahead or tied combined. Expand Doesn't that just show that his team is more often behind than most others? Quote
GunnerBill Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 So I also think Kirk gets too much hate. And I think Bills fans have suddenly got very snobby about good Quarterback play because we have great Quarterback play. Kirk Cousin is by a distance better than any Quarterback not name Josh Allen that I have seen play for Buffalo (fan since 02). People who lump Kirk in with guys like Tyrod Taylor are utterly and totally wrong. On whether this is a good deal for Minnesota it really depends what their plan is. I think they are about to have a mini-rebuild. My guess is that meand shedding a lot of other vets on big deals over the next two years while still trying to compete in the weaker conference. Kirk was there next year anyway, and there is no alternative in this weak QB draft class. One imagines they will try and draft one next spring, sit him behind Kirk Cousins and then let Kirk walk as a FA in 2024. I don't think that is a bad strategy. 1 Quote
Chicken Boo Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 11:10 AM, eball said: Cousins is the definition of a “system” QB who will simply not go off script or off schedule, which means he is a fine QB during quarters 1-3 but when you need your QB to make things happen he fails miserably. Coaches likely love him because they know he will follow the play call religiously. He has as much said it himself. It’s not worth it to him to take any real chances with the ball. As a fan I never want that guy in the most important position in football. Expand He's not a world beater, but he isn't a bad QB either. What was the alternative for Minnesota. 4,000 yard 30 TD QBs don't grow on trees. 1 Quote
eball Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 1:15 PM, Chicken Boo said: He's not a world beater, but he isn't a bad QB either. What was the alternative for Minnesota. 4,000 yard 30 TD QBs don't grow on trees. Expand Yes, that's what is called "QB purgatory." Not a bad QB but not one who's going to win you a Lombardi. The Vikings are screwed. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 11:36 AM, eball said: Great example of how stats are misleading. Expand They don't mislead from the error of your post. On 3/14/2022 at 12:13 PM, Thurman#1 said: Because other factors in the deal might fall into place better. There are a lot of other factors. Money, guaranteed money, whether or not they are rebuilding, length of contract, which guy would be easier/harder to trade and which would bring in more trade capital if they're going to draft a QB next year. On and on, really. You're certainly right that Cousins is better, but most decisions are a lot more complex than that. Doesn't that just show that his team is more often behind than most others? Expand It shows the other poster was incorrect. Cousins doesn't play on very good teams. In DC, he played on a team with awful Defenses. Then in Minny, The Defense went from top 5 to awful--ranking in the bottom 5 the past 2 seasons. That tends to put a QB in a hole. On 3/14/2022 at 1:44 PM, eball said: Yes, that's what is called "QB purgatory." Not a bad QB but not one who's going to win you a Lombardi. The Vikings are screwed. Expand By that criteria so are the Packers. Quote
Plano Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 Downright stunning for a mid range QB. I'd be really annoyed if I was a Vikings fan. Quote
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 11:26 AM, Mr. WEO said: Why give up a top 10 QB for a journeyman scrub? Expand Top 10 QB?? Cmon man lol Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 11:34 AM, Mr. WEO said: In the 4th Q, he has thrown more TDs and passed for more yards than any other Q. He has more TD passes when trailing than when ahead or tied combined. Expand Really?!?!? Wow, I'm hugely surprised by that. What is your source? Quote
boater Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 $40 mil for Cousin's...?? A middling QB. Man this QB market is totally whacked. I'm glad Beane had the foresight to lock up Allen when he did. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 3:52 PM, BuffaloBills1998 said: Top 10 QB?? Cmon man lol Expand what are you struggling with? On 3/14/2022 at 3:55 PM, Sierra Foothills said: Really?!?!? Wow, I'm hugely surprised by that. What is your source? Expand https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CousKi00.htm Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 11:34 AM, Mr. WEO said: In the 4th Q, he has thrown more TDs and passed for more yards than any other Q. He has more TD passes when trailing than when ahead or tied combined. Expand On 3/14/2022 at 3:55 PM, Sierra Foothills said: Really?!?!? Wow, I'm hugely surprised by that. What is your source? Expand On 3/14/2022 at 4:59 PM, Mr. WEO said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CousKi00.htm Expand Thanks WEO. Unfortunately I'm not finding that in the link... I'm not saying it doesn't exist but I'm not seeing it. Are the facts you stated from when he entered the league 10 years ago or what is the time frame? Quote
Mr. WEO Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) On 3/14/2022 at 6:21 PM, Sierra Foothills said: Thanks WEO. Unfortunately I'm not finding that in the link... I'm not saying it doesn't exist but I'm not seeing it. Are the facts you stated from when he entered the league 10 years ago or what is the time frame? Expand it’s profootball reference.com.The authoritative NFL database Those are career numbers Edited March 14, 2022 by Mr. WEO Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted March 14, 2022 Posted March 14, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 7:56 PM, Mr. WEO said: it’s profootball reference.com.The authoritative NFL database Those are career numbers Expand I've been going to Pro Football Reference for many years. I'm not seeing where you the numbers you state are broken down or sortable by 4th quarters. Don't worry about it. Quote
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