ToGoGo Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, uticaclub said: That money is being spent if there's a stadium or not Good. Spend it on libraries and museums. Let the billionaires pay for their toy's garage. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: Good. Spend it on libraries and museums. Let the billionaires pay for their toy's garage. Where would Billy Joel play in Western NY if there wasn't a stadium? The roads already suck, get something tangible for your money. Edited February 24, 2022 by uticaclub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 20 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: Good. Spend it on libraries and museums. Let the billionaires pay for their toy's garage. Not a stance on NFL owners getting public money for stadiums, but: I feel like libraries have a lot in common with museums. Libraries and Encyclopedias have mostly gone the way of the wooly mammoth. In college our kids studied at Starbucks, Panera’s or Barnes and Noble. I’m not sure if either of them EVER checked anything out from a library. The world has changed, and the libraries should be put inside the museums. Grade school kids have most of the information owned by mankind in their phone they carry around in their pocket. Roads? Schools? Sure. Again, not taking a side on public money, but libraries and slide rules have followed similar paths. Crazy how much the world has changed. Carry on….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo619 said: Spent downstate in the city and western ny gets a crumb. But I agree. The billionaire pegs should be 100% financing this stadium. Not state money!! 100% is foolish, the stadium becomes part of the region's infrastructure. I'm all for each party putting in their fair share but 100% for either side isn't right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Augie said: Not a stance on NFL owners getting public money for stadiums, but: I feel like libraries have a lot in common with museums. Libraries and Encyclopedias have mostly gone the way of the wooly mammoth. In college our kids studied at Starbucks, Panera’s or Barnes and Noble. I’m not sure if either of them EVER checked anything out from a library. The world has changed, and the libraries should be put inside the museums. Grade school kids have most of the information owned by mankind in their phone they carry around in their pocket. Roads? Schools? Sure. Again, not taking a side on public money, but libraries and slide rules have followed similar paths. Crazy how much the world has changed. Carry on….. I agree. Although I don't believe our kids are better off with the information on their phones. Something about reading a book can't compare. But yes, libraries are for internet use for those that don't have it at home. My point was to spend it on something greater than sports. Why are we subsidizing billion dollar businesses? Talk about rich getting richer. Why not pay Allen's salary with tax dollars too? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 27 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: I agree. Although I don't believe our kids are better off with the information on their phones. Something about reading a book can't compare. But yes, libraries are for internet use for those that don't have it at home. My point was to spend it on something greater than sports. Why are we subsidizing billion dollar businesses? Talk about rich getting richer. Why not pay Allen's salary with tax dollars too? I’m a book guy. Hard cover 99.9% of the time that I usually get at Costco these days. I go to lunch daily and take my book, sit at the bar and read with my Arnold Palmer and a nice meal. It’s often the highlight of my day, sadly. Our bookshelves are as full as my wife will allow them to be. SO, even better……I give them to my mom who stocks the shelves of the little library at her retirement community. Why sit on my shelves when so many more people can enjoy them? Their inventory was kind of pathetic a few years ago, but she is steadily adding to the options in a real way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 11 hours ago, uticaclub said: Pro team's and stadiums generate a ton of tax revenue, so the owners aren't the only ones to benefit. Everything from parking spots, tickets, merchandise and concessions are taxed, with no team that tax stream dries up. Every player and coach pays taxes where the game takes place, more tax revenue gone. If the governments didn't benefit from helping with stadium costs, it wouldn't be an issue, but they do so it's a discussion. Having a pro team is ultimately good for the community and if you look at the overall state budget spreading out the cost of the stadium over 5 years is a piss in a pool https://news.stanford.edu/2015/07/30/stadium-economics-noll-073015/ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, noacls said: https://news.stanford.edu/2015/07/30/stadium-economics-noll-073015/ You read the headline now please highlight the information that is relevant to the current situation in Western NY. Edited February 25, 2022 by uticaclub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 16 hours ago, uticaclub said: You read the headline now please highlight the information that is relevant to the current situation in Western NY. You are a joke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, noacls said: You are a joke! The only joke is your understanding of civic economics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, uticaclub said: The only joke is your understanding of civic economics. Yes, I'm sure you know more than a Stanford professor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, noacls said: Yes, I'm sure you know more than a Stanford professor. Professors are wrong all the time and none of the comparisons or examples are relevant to the Bills current situation. You sound like someone that thinks they are entitled to take from people that have more than you do, because you have less. You have no point, you have no argument, you just sound irrational. Edited February 26, 2022 by uticaclub 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Meanwhile megacompanies like Amazon, Walmart, and Apple will continue to go untaxed, and church leaders commute from their mansions in private jets. Makes sense. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 On 2/23/2022 at 10:23 AM, BuffaloBillies said: How about... Tax payer help = NO PSL and cheaper tickets No tax payer help = PSL and more expensive tickets Either way they'd get theirs. But, tax payer help AND PSL AND more expensive tickets = not cool Bolded means the people (Bills fans) that use the stadium, fund the stadium. The billionaire owners should fund it themselves, but if they are too smart for that, the fans who actually use it should. On 2/24/2022 at 9:23 PM, noacls said: https://news.stanford.edu/2015/07/30/stadium-economics-noll-073015/ Of course they don't generate significant revenue. How could they only being used 8 - 10 times a year. That article is spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 We can certainly have this discussion about stadium benefits to the community and all that, but let's wait until the new Bills stadium is built and there's a 30 year lease first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 16 hours ago, 1ManRaid said: Meanwhile megacompanies like Amazon, Walmart, and Apple will continue to go untaxed, and church leaders commute from their mansions in private jets. Makes sense. And the politicans that enable them are doing just fine too. You’re going to get screwed one way or the another, why not have a new tangible stadium 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 8 hours ago, uticaclub said: And the politicans that enable them are doing just fine too. You’re going to get screwed one way or the another, why not have a new tangible stadium It's almost as if there's some sort of correlation between the surprising wealth of these specific public servants, and the gross tax breaks/lax regulations on massive companies. Nahhh... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Bump Quote What does that mean for Buffalo Bills fans? Caesars has launched some fan-based experiences for this season, and inside the stadium, there will be a new sportsbook-style premium club lounge at Highmark Stadium. https://wibx950.com/new-feautre-highmark-stadium/ Quote Tickets will be sold for the new Caesars Sportsbook lounge for Buffalo Bills home games, including the home opener against the Titans on Monday, September 19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 On 2/23/2022 at 9:59 AM, WhoTom said: Seems to me that corporate welfare (i.e. government subsidies for billionaires) is the opposite of a free-market economy. On the surface it may not look like it but it’s actually the government participating in free market principles for once. Team goes to the place that has the highest amount offered to the stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Most of your taxes are wasted on bloated government bureaucracies or outright stolen. Might as well spend some tax bucks on something we appreciate. As a former Western New Yorker, I appreciate you all subsidizing my favorite team who I wouldn’t root for in any other city if they moved. Hey you could be the great state of RI, who gave 75 million to Curt Shilling to develop a video game that went bankrupt and lost it all. You think your politicians are idiots? RI leads the nation in incompetent and corrupt government. But, since less than 50% of us actually pay income taxes to the Fed or State, most people here don’t care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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