Tiberius Posted October 10, 2022 Author Share Posted October 10, 2022 Shooting down missiles ain't easy...or cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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All_Pro_Bills Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: One thing I find ironic about Hollywood is that the overwhelming majority advocate and support all kinds of gun control and social justice causes but still work and earn a living in movies that are full of gratuitous gun violence, lots of killings, and blowing stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 11, 2022 Author Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: One thing I find ironic about Hollywood is that the overwhelming majority advocate and support all kinds of gun control and social justice causes but still work and earn a living in movies that are full of gratuitous gun violence, lots of killings, and blowing stuff up. And war movies, pandemics, disaster movies, sexual content, crime, etc. They provide the public with what they want. It's called capitalism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 36 minutes ago, Tiberius said: And war movies, pandemics, disaster movies, sexual content, crime, etc. They provide the public with what they want. It's called capitalism So today you're going to lecture us on the virtues capitalism while supporting all of Biden's market interference initiatives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 11, 2022 Author Share Posted October 11, 2022 15 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: So today you're going to lecture us on the virtues capitalism while supporting all of Biden's market interference initiatives? You mean like building computer chips right here in the good old USA? Horrible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 11, 2022 Author Share Posted October 11, 2022 They are not hiding their aim in American politics. Russias war aims go through the American political system. A vote for Trump is a vote for criminal war, genocide and war against democracy Quote Orban says Trump is ‘hope for peace’ in Ukraine Return to menu By Loveday Morris Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban on Tuesday accused the United States of perpetuating the war in Ukraine by providing weapons and said there should be U. S-Russian negotiations to bring about a cease-fire. “The Ukrainians have endless resources because they get all that from the Americans,” Orban said at an event hosted by Germany’s Cicero magazine and Berliner Zeitung during a visit to the German capital. “Hope for peace is named Donald Trump,” he added, according to the official interpretation, saying that President Biden had gone “too far” by saying that Russian President Vladimir Putin should not remain in power. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/11/russia-ukraine-war-latest-updates/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) On 10/10/2022 at 7:49 AM, Tiberius said: Would you care if one side was spewing foreign propaganda? What propaganda are you prattling on about? Much like the legal v illegal immigration debate, the discussions surrounding the Ukraine invasion are not about whether Putin’s a nice guy. They’re about how much the US taxpayers are supposed to cough up to keep this war going. Tibs, this small incursion has been going on for months and months now with seemingly no peace discussions on the horizon. It’s WAY WAY past time for the adults to come in and break up this fight. Edited October 11, 2022 by SoCal Deek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 11, 2022 Author Share Posted October 11, 2022 27 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: What propaganda are you prattling on about? Much like the legal v illegal immigration debate, the discussions surrounding the Ukraine invasion are not about whether Putin’s a nice guy. They’re about how much the US taxpayers are supposed to cough up to keep this war going. Tibs, this small incursion has been going on for months and months now with seemingly no peace discussions on the horizon. It’s WAY WAY past time for the adults to come in and break up this fight. Would you care? Obviously not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: It’s WAY WAY past time for the adults to come in and break up this fight. Nah, it's not. Nobody's won yet. And if nobody's won, you're either talking about "peacekeepers", or the peace treaty is just an ceasefire while everybody gears up for round two. Edited October 11, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 7 hours ago, Tiberius said: I feel like anytime this ####### says anything there should be a disclaimer in large letters [Harassed Parents of Murdered Children for Money] 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 6 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: One thing I find ironic about Hollywood is that the overwhelming majority advocate and support all kinds of gun control and social justice causes but still work and earn a living in movies that are full of gratuitous gun violence, lots of killings, and blowing stuff up. I mean, that's what people buy right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: I mean, that's what people buy right? People also buy loads of drugs but I’m guessing you don’t sell them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 11, 2022 Author Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: People also buy loads of drugs but I’m guessing you don’t sell them. People bought into Trump U. Did you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: People bought into Trump U. Did you? And your analogy is what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 11, 2022 Author Share Posted October 11, 2022 Welcome to the fight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Welcome to the fight Better late than never. Pompeo was another one in a long, long list of politicians who couldn't see through Putin's BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Welcome to the fight So if we aren't giving the Ukranians the weapons they need to win....what exactly are 'we' doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: So if we aren't giving the Ukranians the weapons they need to win....what exactly are 'we' doing? Tried to keep escalation against Ukraine manageable but that has not worked against Putin. Crimea bridge attack arrests as market in Donetsk region attacked Its FSB security service said five of those held were Russians, while the others were Ukrainian and Armenian. It says Kyiv was behind the attack but a Ukrainian official described Russia's investigation as "nonsense" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63225947 Yet Putin retaliated against civilian targets Edited October 12, 2022 by ALF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 hours ago, ALF said: Tried to keep escalation against Ukraine manageable but that has not worked against Putin. Crimea bridge attack arrests as market in Donetsk region attacked Its FSB security service said five of those held were Russians, while the others were Ukrainian and Armenian. It says Kyiv was behind the attack but a Ukrainian official described Russia's investigation as "nonsense" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63225947 Yet Putin retaliated against civilian targets So you’re saying that for over six months we failed at ‘managing’ this conflict and therefore we’re NOW going to start giving the Ukrainians what they need? Or are we still just managing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So you’re saying that for over six months we failed at ‘managing’ this conflict and therefore we’re NOW going to start giving the Ukrainians what they need? Or are we still just managing it? Is that what you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 21 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Is that what you think? You posted something about Pompeo, and I’m simply asking follow up questions. That’s what the question mark means at the end of a sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 26 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You posted something about Pompeo, and I’m simply asking follow up questions. That’s what the question mark means at the end of a sentence. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: What do you think? About whether we should be ‘managing’ a war? No, we shouldn’t. About whether from the very beginning we should have given Ukraine what they needed to win? Yes, we should’ve. But Biden was once again clueless, anticipating a small incursion (his words not mine). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: About whether we should be ‘managing’ a war? No, we shouldn’t. About whether from the very beginning we should have given Ukraine what they needed to win? Yes, we should’ve. But Biden was once again clueless, anticipating a small incursion (his words not mine). So you think those appeasers who were against helping Ukraine were totally wrong then, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Just now, Tiberius said: So you think those appeasers who were against helping Ukraine were totally wrong then, right? Actually I think we should’ve stepped in BEFORE any of this got started. But once it did, you go in strong and end it fast! So….if all we’re going to do is ‘manage’ a war then I don’t blame what you call the appeasers. The current Biden policy is utterly ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Actually I think we should’ve stepped in BEFORE any of this got started. But once it did, you go in strong and end it fast! So….if all we’re going to do is ‘manage’ a war then I don’t blame what you call the appeasers. The current Biden policy is utterly ridiculous. Why is it ridiculous? just because he is a Democrat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Why is it ridiculous? just because he is a Democrat? Huh? It’s ridiculous because it’s been an utter disaster for the people of Ukraine. Everything isn’t about American politics! Get off your partisan soapbox. This wasn’t a surprise attack. This wasn’t Pearl Harbor. What was the Biden Administration doing during the build up on the border? They were watching the Winter Olympics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Huh? It’s ridiculous because it’s been an utter disaster for the people of Ukraine. Everything isn’t about American politics! Get off your partisan soapbox. This wasn’t a surprise attack. This wasn’t Pearl Harbor. What was the Biden Administration doing during the build up on the border? They were watching the Winter Olympics! You are so partisan. Such spin! You are literally blaming Biden for Putin attacking Ukraine. How silly Do you still play on a sit and spin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You are so partisan. Such spin! You are literally blaming Biden for Putin attacking Ukraine. How silly Do you still play on a sit and spin? I’m not blaming Biden for the attack. I’m blaming Biden for the response and for not stepping in to stop it before the attack….and you know it. But instead of admitting it you fall back on childish nonsense as expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m not blaming Biden for the attack. I’m blaming Biden for the response and for not stepping in to stop it before the attack….and you know it. But instead of admitting it you fall back on childish nonsense as expected. Stop it how? What are you saying here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Stop it how? What are you saying here? By doing the hard work of diplomacy and assembling a coalition of our allies to make it clear that ANY incursion would not be tolerated…before it starts. How about that? But what were we doing…watching figure skating and hoping not to embarrass China while they were throwing a party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: By doing the hard work of diplomacy and assembling a coalition of our allies to make it clear that ANY incursion would not be tolerated…before it starts. How about that? But what were we doing…watching figure skating and hoping not to embarrass China while they were throwing a party. We should have threatened war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 On 9/27/2022 at 10:06 AM, SoCal Deek said: Unbelievable! The United States does not have the money or resources to turn every other country into a 'democracy'...nor is it our role in the world. (Paging George Bush, paging George Bush). Similarly, we do not have the money, space or resources to accept every person around the world who claims they are coming here seeking asylum. This is a fool's errand. Now you are saying Biden didn't do enough??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDD Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 20 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: By doing the hard work of diplomacy and assembling a coalition of our allies to make it clear that ANY incursion would not be tolerated…before it starts. How about that? But what were we doing…watching figure skating and hoping not to embarrass China while they were throwing a party. Maybe you were but our intelligence community had this one nailed. The Ukranian citizens barely believed it was going to happen. Our intel community was jumping up and down about it in the months leading up. A coalition would have been different than NATO in what way? Should NATO have made a more specific threat to Putin? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 20 minutes ago, LDD said: Maybe you were but our intelligence community had this one nailed. The Ukranian citizens barely believed it was going to happen. Our intel community was jumping up and down about it in the months leading up. A coalition would have been different than NATO in what way? Should NATO have made a more specific threat to Putin? Fully agree with this. The US intel community had this specifically predicted. It was almost like they had very reliable informants in Russian offices. This one's on Putin, and ugly as the end game may be, he caused it and he will pay the consequences Unfortunately, totally avoidable, so not only Putin, but NATO, the Russians, the US taxpayer and more importantly, the Ukrainians are paying the initial cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: By doing the hard work of diplomacy and assembling a coalition of our allies to make it clear that ANY incursion would not be tolerated…before it starts. How about that? But what were we doing…watching figure skating and hoping not to embarrass China while they were throwing a party. Yeah, you really need to go back and read up on our actions prior to the invasion. 20 minutes ago, sherpa said: Fully agree with this. The US intel community had this specifically predicted. It was almost like they had very reliable informants in Russian offices. This one's on Putin, and ugly as the end game may be, he caused it and he will pay the consequences Unfortunately, totally avoidable, so not only Putin, but NATO, the Russians, the US taxpayer and more importantly, the Ukrainians are paying the initial cost. I loved the part where Macron fired his chief of intelligence when Russia invaded. Because his chief of intelligence told him there was no way America could have penetrated Russian security so completely. Edited October 12, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Unbelievable. Keep selling those bombs people. The military industrial complex says thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Unbelievable. Keep selling those bombs people. The military industrial complex says thank you. So you are just complaining to complain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Unbelievable. Keep selling those bombs people. The military industrial complex says thank you. Given how wrong you are about the events running up to the war, I think the replies to you have been charitable. They certainly don't merit this whiny crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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