Election Night: Nov 2 GDT

[LeviF]

22 minutes ago, North Buffalo said:

False but it depends on what working classes... min wage Dems good, hospital workers except those QAnon crazies Dems good... labor rights and healthcare Dems good GOP baad.  Small business lotta lip service by both sides but GOP wins on tax issues.  Safety issues including police mixed but GOP wins because far left has an issue with police... inflation right now GOP wins by not being Dems... GOP favors big business so no matter what they say we all know where tax breaks go and it isnt to working classes... still on rhetoric it goes back and forth.

Don’t get me twisted - I didn’t say that the Dems have overall lower connection to the working class than the GOP right now. I said the GOP has the opportunity to make big gains because the door is open wider than it has been possibly ever due to the Dems having lower connection than they have at least in decades. 
 

Now whether the GOP takes advantage of the opportunity (they won’t) is up in the air. The messaging post-Tuesday seems to indicate that they’re missing it. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

                                          

 

 

 

 

[North Buffalo]

59 minutes ago, LeviF said:

Don’t get me twisted - I didn’t say that the Dems have overall lower connection to the working class than the GOP right now. I said the GOP has the opportunity to make big gains because the door is open wider than it has been possibly ever due to the Dems having lower connection than they have at least in decades. 
 

Now whether the GOP takes advantage of the opportunity (they won’t) is up in the air. The messaging post-Tuesday seems to indicate that they’re missing it. 

Ah got it ty... I actually think the problem is the messengers or the way the messengers come across... a retread was not ideal... playing the negative game doesnt help which they did in VA against a young positive guy... voting against someone is a short lived high... both sides play that game but it isnt sustainable... still both sides have been inconsistent in their messaging making it tough... their hypocrisy doesnt help

Edited November 4, 2021 by North Buffalo

[Governor]

On 11/3/2021 at 1:57 PM, B-Man said:

 

3,000 vote difference out of 2.5 million cast.

 

Don't ever change @Governor

 

 

Looks like you’re going to get clowned in front of your peers again. Uh oh.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/03/us/election-updates?action=click&pgtype=Article&state=default&module=styln-elections-2020&region=TOP_BANNER&context=election_recirc

[Governor]

22 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Once Hispanics realize their values align mostly with the right and Republicans can get their heads out of their asses and learn how to market to that demographic it’s all over for the Dems….for a long time. 

You squandered that opportunity 20 years ago. Catholics don’t agree with anything the present GOP stands for.

 

It doesn’t help that you attack the Pope whenever you get the chance.

 

I’ll be dead before the GOP gains the majority support of Hispanics.

[Chef Jim]

6 minutes ago, Governor said:

 

I’ll be dead before the GOP gains the majority support of Hispanics.

 

Terminal huh?  Sorry to hear about this. 

[Big Blitz]

42 minutes ago, Governor said:

You squandered that opportunity 20 years ago. Catholics don’t agree with anything the present GOP stands for.

 

It doesn’t help that you attack the Pope whenever you get the chance.

 

I’ll be dead before the GOP gains the majority support of Hispanics.

 

 

 

Um.  They just won them 54-45 in Virginia 

 

A state that many believe is a close microcosm of America.  

[Governor]

On 11/3/2021 at 9:08 PM, B-Man said:

 

 

I was quoting you.

 

 

 

Your persistence is fascinating.

 

 

 

 

Meanwhile in New Jersey........

 

 

 

Amazing.

 

 

 

 

Oh B-man…..

 

56,540

2.3%

 

and climbing.

 

Looks like 3.5 was a bit conservative on my part. Can we get to 4?

[Big Blitz]

31 minutes ago, Governor said:

Oh B-man…..

 

56,540

2.3%

 

and climbing.

 

Looks like 3.5 was a bit conservative on my part. Can we get to 4?

 

 

You still trying to justify a Democrat incumbent governor winning by 1 point in deep red NJ as a good thing?

 

What are you blabbering about?

 

 

 

RIP Obamaism

 

RIP Wokeistan 

Edited November 5, 2021 by Big Blitz

[B-Man]

43 minutes ago, Governor said:

Oh B-man…..

 

56,540

2.3%

 

and climbing.

 

Looks like 3.5 was a bit conservative on my part. Can we get to 4?

 

Are you feeling okay guv ?
 

That updated difference in the numbers doesn’t change the fact that I quoted a number that you posted

 

Your rather desperate fixation on Murphy’ s close victory is sad and funny all at the same time 

 

 

Edited November 5, 2021 by B-Man

[Governor]

9 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

You still trying to justify a Democrat incumbent governor winning by 1 point in deep red NJ as a good thing?

 

What are you blabbering about?

 

 

 

RIP Obamaism

 

RIP Wokeistan 

I want you too see the Election Day narrative get busted. Anything 3 or more isn’t really close at all. There’s still a bunch of votes left to count, and then the absentee votes get hand counted. This is going to finish over 3 points. 
 

If they had counted absentee first, it would’ve never appeared close in the first place, and no one could write all of these bad takes for the last 2 days.

 

Do you think we should change the way media covers elections? I saw at least 5 major news sites release stories early the next morning stating how NJ was a STUNNER in the making, fully knowing that the votes in blue counties weren’t counted yet and Murphy would win comfortably.

Edited November 5, 2021 by Governor

[All_Pro_Bills]

13 minutes ago, Governor said:

I want you too see the Election Day narrative get busted. Anything 3 or more isn’t really close at all. There’s still a bunch of votes left to count, and then the absentee votes get hand counted. This is going to finish over 3 points. 
 

If they had counted absentee first, it would’ve never appeared close in the first place, and no one could write all of these bad takes for the last 2 days.

It was a 19% gap in Murphy's favor a few months ago.  The message is clear that as time passes voters at all levels are increasingly growing dissatisfied with the Democrats and their agenda.  Mandates and threats to fire people aren't helping.  But I doubt they listen.  More likely they'll double down here.  If the trend continues it will be a bloodbath in November 2022.  The problem is the Republicans don't have any clear vision of things going forward other than opposing the fringe left agenda.   

[Governor]

5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

It was a 19% gap in Murphy's favor a few months ago.  The message is clear that as time passes voters at all levels are increasingly growing dissatisfied with the Democrats and their agenda.  Mandates and threats to fire people aren't helping.  But I doubt they listen.  More likely they'll double down here.  If the trend continues it will be a bloodbath in November 2022.  The problem is the Republicans don't have any clear vision of things going forward other than opposing the fringe left agenda.   

I believe Biden won it by 16. The last reliable polls I saw had Murphy by 5. If he wins by 4, would you call that a STUNNER? 
 

If it were Murphy running in a presidential, he would win NJ by 16, just like Biden did. They’re two totally different electorates.

[Governor]

On 11/3/2021 at 9:01 PM, Doc said:

 

I agree that LatinX values align mostly with the right/Repubs.  Why do you suppose they have had trouble marketing to them so far?

Lol. Is this a serious conversation? George Bush and Karl Rove and every other Republican consultant out there saw those troubling signs back in 2000 and ran as compassionate conservatives that reached out to Hispanics, and it started to work.

 

There was a new plan in place and path forward to fix what changing demographics had done to the party.

 

After that, the party did exactly the opposite and started catering to the fringe base voters.

 

John Boehner then released a post election “autopsy report” saying that they were once again on the wrong path with Latinos and had to get back to what Bush did.

 

Then Trump came down the escalator.

 

My point is, you can’t repair that damage now. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

43 minutes ago, Governor said:

I believe Biden won it by 16. The last reliable polls I saw had Murphy by 5. If he wins by 4, would you call that a STUNNER? 
 

If it were Murphy running in a presidential, he would win NJ by 16, just like Biden did. They’re two totally different electorates.

It was a lot closer than anyone would have expected.  On any do-over I suspect Biden would not carry New Jersey by 16% given all the problems his administration has created. 

[Governor]

14 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

It was a lot closer than anyone would have expected.  On any do-over I suspect Biden would not carry New Jersey by 16% given all the problems his administration has created. 

The problem Democrats have is that they assume every voter is like me and enjoys the ugly sausage making, fighting, and political posturing while passing legislation. They think that voters will reward them simply for appearing to be working, and they found out that average voters don’t like watching that in action.

 

This all used to be stuff that political nerds liked to follow but now it’s being pushed to the masses and it turns people off. The corporate control/money with Manchin and Sinema was pretty badly exposed during this whole process also.

 

Those 2 hit the lottery a year ago and will hold up everything just to fill their campaign coffers and arrange future post-political careers when they leave office. 

Edited November 5, 2021 by Governor

[Doc]

32 minutes ago, Governor said:

Lol. Is this a serious conversation? George Bush and Karl Rove and every other Republican consultant out there saw those troubling signs back in 2000 and ran as compassionate conservatives that reached out to Hispanics, and it started to work.

 

There was a new plan in place and path forward to fix what changing demographics had done to the party.

 

After that, the party did exactly the opposite and started catering to the fringe base voters.

 

John Boehner then released a post election “autopsy report” saying that they were once again on the wrong path with Latinos and had to get back to what Bush did.

 

Then Trump came down the escalator.

 

My point is, you can’t repair that damage now. 

What did Trump do to Latinos?

[B-Man]

 

 

Hispanic vote migrating to GOP must terrify Democrats

By Thomas Lifson

 

It's been an article of faith for Democrats that the rising share of Hispanic voters will empower Democrats to dominate future elections.  Almost two decades ago, John Judis and Ruy Teixeira wrote The Emerging Democratic Majority, whose prophecy of Democrat demographic dominance driven in large part by Hispanic immigration (legal and illegal) inspired Biden's open border policy now flooding us with a tsunami-like human wave.

 

But the problem for the donkeys is that Hispanic voters are not reacting as predicted by those who think minority status automatically means the consciousness of being an oppressed victim in need of rescue by the statists.  

 

In 2020, Biden got 61 percent of the Hispanic vote, while Trump increased his share 8 points over 2016.  That trend line of Hispanics migrating over to the GOP appears to have continued with the election last Tuesday.

 

In Virginia, Youngkin won an absolute majority of their votes

 

 

{snip}

 

That's right: Hispanic immigrants came to this country for economic opportunity, and they and their American-born descendants see Democrat policies as truncating those opportunities.

 

Down in border state Texas, a runoff race for the state House of Representatives in a San Antonio district that is about 75% Hispanic saw another big GOP victory, shattering the idea that Hispanic voters "belong" to the Democrats.

 

 

 

Hispanic voters tend to be more oriented to church, family, and traditional sex roles than the Democrats' revolutionary vanguard.  Such values inspire contempt in the rarefied heights of politically correct elites.

 

The condescending view of Hispanics as a helpless racial minority is insulting and is being seen as such by more and more people who identify as Hispanic.

 

More at the link: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/11/hispanic_vote_migrating_to_gop_must_terrify_dems.html

 

 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, Governor said:

Lol. Is this a serious conversation? George Bush and Karl Rove and every other Republican consultant out there saw those troubling signs back in 2000 and ran as compassionate conservatives that reached out to Hispanics, and it started to work.

 

There was a new plan in place and path forward to fix what changing demographics had done to the party.

 

After that, the party did exactly the opposite and started catering to the fringe base voters.

 

John Boehner then released a post election “autopsy report” saying that they were once again on the wrong path with Latinos and had to get back to what Bush did.

 

Then Trump came down the escalator.

 

My point is, you can’t repair that damage now. 

For a purported student of politics you sure miss that the public has the attention span and memory of a gnat. 
 

Virginia already forgot about Trump 😂  

[ComradeKayAdams]

On 11/3/2021 at 8:40 AM, Governor said:

White, racist Karen voters have been the problem, and until they stop being racist Karen’s, the country can’t really move forward.

 

The numbers are clear but no one wants to talk about it.

 

I’m not so sure about this racism angle, Mr. Governor. The numbers I look at are various single-issue poll results. They strongly indicate the country shifting left on economic issues and right on culture war issues, yet the Democratic Party continues to run counter to this trend with woke corporatists for candidates who are fixated on Trump and critical race theory at the exclusion of demand-side macroeconomics. It’s a recipe for disaster next November and in 2024 if anyone not named Trump runs for the GOP. Republicans could easily own both chambers of Congress, the executive branch, and of course a 6-3 Supreme Court in a few years…

 

All these worker strikes emerging across the nation should be serving as political canaries in Democratic Party coal mines. The electorate appears to be screaming their unhappiness with the deadly combination of neoliberal policies and authoritarian COVD measures. But the Democrats as a whole do not listen to the people because we know they are there to serve their corporate donors first and foremost. Even the progressive voting bloc now appears to be caving to the centrist corporatists, as they’re expected to vote for that garbage bipartisan infrastructure bill well before the budget reconciliation bill, the latter of which has already been heavily gutted of legislation overwhelmingly popular with Americans (l actually lost track of what remains but any of the following is probably gone at this time: free community college, universal pre-k, child tax credit extension, paid family leave, paid medical leave, Medicare expansion including dental and eye care, prescription drug price controls, etc… plus the corporate and billionaire tax hikes to help pay for these programs). No $15 federal minimum wage or student debt relief, either. A more active and less demented president would be mediating the internal disagreements among the Democratic Party congressmen or implementing executive orders for much of the popular legislation pieces that were stripped from the BBB bill.

 

Actions, or the lack thereof, have consequences. Expect a lot of successful and perhaps unexpected Dem primary challenges against incumbents…challenges from both the economic progressive left and culturally centrist right, depending on the U.S. district. Here in the unofficial far-left capital that is NYC, I’m aware of movements already being organized to replace Ritchie Torres, Jamaal Bowman, and Mondaire Jones from the left in anticipation of their Benedict Arnold-ing the progressive movement with their BIB+BBB bill votes. Even the Progressive Chosen One a.k.a. Socialist Barbie a.k.a. AOC could be targeted (though I seriously doubt that movement would be successful). As for the rest of the country? I’m 99% sure Jayapal is in trouble. Khanna, Porter, Pressley, Tlaib, Omar, Cori Bush, Newman, and Pocan could be in trouble too. I’m less familiar with moderate Dems, but I’m sure they’re sweating profusely as well. On the plus side, I suppose the incompetency and corruption of the current Democrats is making it that much easier for us far-lefties to take over the Democratic Party at the national level! Woohoo! Commie Kay likey!