Debt Ceiling Nonsense

[Tiberius]

What a joke 

[Backintheday544]

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

What a joke 

Sloan Sabbith : I just got off the phone with these guys. Listen to these quotes. These aren't from liberals. these are hardcore Wall-Street guys,Who whatever the world may think of them,Knows what they're talking about and so do I. Jamie Dimon atChase says, "Voting against raising the debt ceiling would be a moral disaster." The Barclays guys say "This debate is detached from reality." My Goldman source says "If the house Republicans continue this debate, I hope they're willing to mark the end of the dollar as a global reserve currency." Please notice he didn't say if the house republicans don't raise the debt ceiling. he said if the house republicans continue this debate. That's all it takes. Just the uncertainty. That's why the Dow's gonna close down 230 points today. Because just the debate,just the doubt,just the possibility that the House Majority might commit the most self-inflicted damage to the country since the secession of the south has caused billions in value to disappear. -Newsroom

[Doc]

It is a joke. Chuckie can raise the debt ceiling without a single Republican vote. Why doesn’t he just do it himself?

[TSOL]

I might as well just take a credit card out in my kids name and max it out, while we are at it. 

 

Damn reckless spending...

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

These aren't from liberals. these are hardcore Wall-Street guys

 

 

Liberals aren’t Wall Street guys? 

😂 😂  

 

A ton of Joe’s cabinet are former Wall Street, VC and PE firm elites… 

 

Blinken- yep

Gina Raimondo Yep 

Tom Vilsack President of us dairy council… close enough

Jennifer Granholm- sat on 5 corporate boards

Ron Klain was EVP of VC firm

Democrats pretending they aren’t the party of rich elites 😂 

 

come on man! 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-cabinet-picks-earned-millions-from-wall-street-and-big-tech/ar-BB1csGYb

 

[Backintheday544]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

 

Liberals aren’t Wall Street guys? 

😂 😂  

 

A ton of Joe’s cabinet are former Wall Street, VC and PE firm elites… 

 

Blinken- yep

Gina Raimondo Yep 

Tom Vilsack President of us dairy council… close enough

Jennifer Granholm- sat on 5 corporate boards

Ron Klain was EVP of VC firm

Democrats pretending they aren’t the party of rich elites 😂 

 

come on man! 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-cabinet-picks-earned-millions-from-wall-street-and-big-tech/ar-BB1csGYb

 

It’s a quote from a TV show from back when the Tea Party held the country hostage over the same thing.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

11 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

It’s a quote from a TV show from back when the Tea Party held the country hostage over the same thing.

I see you’re referring to this bit

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2021/09/22/how-the-debt-ceiling-turned-into-a-doomsday-cult-513644

 

😱 😂 

 

it’s probably going to be a problem someday when just the interest on the debt is unserviceable. But neither political actually cares about that. It’s all theatre 

Edited September 22, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Backintheday544]

10 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I see you’re referring to this bit

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2021/09/22/how-the-debt-ceiling-turned-into-a-doomsday-cult-513644

 

😱 😂 

 

it’s probably going to be a problem someday when just the interest on the debt is unserviceable. But neither political actually cares about that. It’s all theatre 

No I’m referring to a show called Newsroom. It started Jeff Daniels, Olivia Munn, by Aaron Sorkin. Great watch.

 

 

It also gave us this great bit:

“Republicans “believe in a prohibitive military, in a common sense government and that there are social programs enacted in the last half century that work, but there are way too many costing way too much that don’t. And [they] believe in the rule of law and order and free-market capitalism.

 

The Tea Party believes in loving America, but hating Americans…they believe in loving America, but hating its government…and they believe that anyone who disagrees with the Tea Party has sinister anti-America motives …most of all you must never, under any circumstances, seek to reach a compromise with your opponent or do any of what democrats and genuine republicans call governing…and one other plank in the Tea Party platform: if you’re poor, you are either too lazy or too stupid to be rich.”
 

Ideological Purity, Compromise as weakness, A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism, Denying science, Unmoved by facts, Undeterred by new information, A hostile fear of progress, A demonization of education, A need to control women’s bodies, Severe xenophobia, Tribal mentality, Intolerance of dissent, and a pathological hatred of the U.S. government.

 

We should call them what they are: The American Taliban.”

 

Its really interesting since this was pre-Trump and highlights how the Tea Party has fundamentally changed the Republican Party.

Edited September 23, 2021 by Backintheday544

[Sundancer]

34 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

No I’m referring to a show called Newsroom. It started Jeff Daniels, Olivia Munn, by Aaron Sorkin. Great watch.

 

 

It also gave us this great bit:

“Republicans “believe in a prohibitive military, in a common sense government and that there are social programs enacted in the last half century that work, but there are way too many costing way too much that don’t. And [they] believe in the rule of law and order and free-market capitalism.

 

The Tea Party believes in loving America, but hating Americans…they believe in loving America, but hating its government…and they believe that anyone who disagrees with the Tea Party has sinister anti-America motives …most of all you must never, under any circumstances, seek to reach a compromise with your opponent or do any of what democrats and genuine republicans call governing…and one other plank in the Tea Party platform: if you’re poor, you are either too lazy or too stupid to be rich.”
 

Ideological Purity, Compromise as weakness, A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism, Denying science, Unmoved by facts, Undeterred by new information, A hostile fear of progress, A demonization of education, A need to control women’s bodies, Severe xenophobia, Tribal mentality, Intolerance of dissent, and a pathological hatred of the U.S. government.”
 

Its really interesting since this was pre-Trump and highlights how the Tea Party has fundamentally changed the Republican Party.

 

Ideological puritanism is a scourge. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

No I’m referring to a show called Newsroom. It started Jeff Daniels, Olivia Munn, by Aaron Sorkin. Great watch.

 

 

It also gave us this great bit:

“Republicans “believe in a prohibitive military, in a common sense government and that there are social programs enacted in the last half century that work, but there are way too many costing way too much that don’t. And [they] believe in the rule of law and order and free-market capitalism.

 

The Tea Party believes in loving America, but hating Americans…they believe in loving America, but hating its government…and they believe that anyone who disagrees with the Tea Party has sinister anti-America motives …most of all you must never, under any circumstances, seek to reach a compromise with your opponent or do any of what democrats and genuine republicans call governing…and one other plank in the Tea Party platform: if you’re poor, you are either too lazy or too stupid to be rich.”
 

Ideological Purity, Compromise as weakness, A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism, Denying science, Unmoved by facts, Undeterred by new information, A hostile fear of progress, A demonization of education, A need to control women’s bodies, Severe xenophobia, Tribal mentality, Intolerance of dissent, and a pathological hatred of the U.S. government.

 

We should call them what they are: The American Taliban.”

 

Its really interesting since this was pre-Trump and highlights how the Tea Party has fundamentally changed the Republican Party.

Maybe we ship the progressives and teabaggers off to an island somewhere to fight it out and we can have a country again. 

[oldmanfan]

We need a balanced budget amendment.  It would keep both parties from spending like drunken sailors.

[Motorin']

13 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I see you’re referring to this bit

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2021/09/22/how-the-debt-ceiling-turned-into-a-doomsday-cult-513644

 

😱 😂 

 

it’s probably going to be a problem someday when just the interest on the debt is unserviceable. But neither political actually cares about that. It’s all theatre 

 

That's the nature of a fractional reserve system where the major banking institutions who comprise the Federal Reserve are granted the authority to lend money that doesn't exist at interest. 

 

Not only is there always more debt than money, but the amount of debt in the system increases exponentially. 

 

If the debt stops increasing exponentially, lending ends. If lending ends, the banks that comprise the Federal Reserve stop making profit...

 

The only tenable solution that would allow for this system to remain solvent is a massive debt abolishment. Won't happen. So either debt continues to increase exponentially, or lending grinds to a halt and no one can buy a home or run a business. 

 

The hard money, increase interest rates guy's missed the Nixon administration dismantling of FDR's Breton Woods regulations and the consequences of unleasing a digital fiat currency. How do you put that genie back in a bottle? 

 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

We need a balanced budget amendment.  It would keep both parties from spending like drunken sailors.

Destroy the bond market? But its such a useful tool of prosperity 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

That's the nature of a fractional reserve system where the major banking institutions who comprise the Federal Reserve are granted the authority to lend money that doesn't exist at interest. 

 

Not only is there always more debt than money, but the amount of debt in the system increases exponentially. 

 

If the debt stops increasing exponentially, lending ends. If lending ends, the banks that comprise the Federal Reserve stop making profit...

 

The only tenable solution that would allow for this system to remain solvent is a massive debt abolishment. Won't happen. So either debt continues to increase exponentially, or lending grinds to a halt and no one can buy a home or run a business. 

 

The hard money, increase interest rates guy's missed the Nixon administration dismantling of FDR's Breton Woods regulations and the consequences of unleasing a digital fiat currency. How do you put that genie back in a bottle? 

 

Debt is money.
 

Breton woods ended a facade. 
 

And there is no bottling the genie.
 

As the American empire withers and dies, demand for dollars will fade, value will drop, inflation will accelerate, interest rates on new debt will go up to try and spur demand but to no avail. The debt ceiling will be the least of our problems. 

[BillStime]

Pigs

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Watching CNBC this am apparently the Democrats bill is a total sham and van Holland can’t speak to it. 
 

had no explanation when they said, you’re going after the wealthy but not the super wealthy??? 
 

had no explanation when they said, you could pass the debt ceiling with your majorities through budget reconciliation couldn’t you? Why don’t you? 

[Governor]

9 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Watching CNBC this am apparently the Democrats bill is a total sham and van Holland can’t speak to it. 
 

had no explanation when they said, you’re going after the wealthy but not the super wealthy??? 
 

had no explanation when they said, you could pass the debt ceiling with your majorities through budget reconciliation couldn’t you? Why don’t you? 

So you’re in favor of default to appease the Trump cult you’re presently a member of?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

So you’re in favor of default to appease the Trump cult you’re presently a member of?

Sorry I’m late responding this orange spray on tan keep running into my eyes.

 

No my point is why doesn’t the majority just pass it? Why are they trying to pretend the other guys are in the way? What’s this game all about? 

[Governor]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Sorry I’m late responding this orange spray on tan keep running into my eyes.

 

No my point is why doesn’t the majority just pass it? Why are they trying to pretend the other guys are in the way? What’s this game all about? 

They aren’t. Traditionally it’s a bipartisan passage….until you became a violent cult.

 

You wonder why we have no choice but to steamroll you. That’s because you threw tradition out the window when your cult leader got stomped.

Edited September 24, 2021 by Governor

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

10 minutes ago, Governor said:

They aren’t. Traditionally it’s a bipartisan passage….until you became a violent cult.

 

You wonder why we have no choice but to steamroll you. That’s because you threw tradition out the window when your cult leader got stomped.

I’ve gotta tell you, you better hope I don't join that trump cult.  If I get there he probably wins a next election by 75%. 
 

but I still can’t find any of your kind to explain why they don’t just pass the debt ceiling bump unilaterally? They can just do it. But they are going out of their way to say ‘they can’t because of the minority. What gives? 

[Governor]

15 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I’ve gotta tell you, you better hope I don't join that trump cult.  If I get there he probably wins a next election by 75%. 
 

but I still can’t find any of your kind to explain why they don’t just pass the debt ceiling bump unilaterally? They can just do it. But they are going out of their way to say ‘they can’t because of the minority. What gives? 

This is your problem. You think the cult is the majority. That’s because of the media you consume. I know this because it used to be my job to know that.

 

If the election were tomorrow, Biden would win by more than he did the first time. I know that for a fact.

 

So, what ware you watching that would lead you to believe that a past president, who lost most voters when  he lied about his inauguration crowd size, was twice impeached, and is soon to be indicted, would get 75 percent of the vote?

 

I understand that you’re angry, but you’re losing badly because Biden has a bear hug on the center.

Edited September 25, 2021 by Governor

[BillStime]

10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I’ve gotta tell you, you better hope I don't join that trump cult.  If I get there he probably wins a next election by 75%. 
 

but I still can’t find any of your kind to explain why they don’t just pass the debt ceiling bump unilaterally? They can just do it. But they are going out of their way to say ‘they can’t because of the minority. What gives? 

You need someone to spell it out for you?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Just now, Governor said:

This is your problem. You think the cult is the majority. That’s because of the media you consume. I know this because it used to be my job to know that.

 

If the election were tomorrow, Biden would win by more than he did the first time. I know that for a fact.

 

So, what ware you watching that would lead you to believe that a past president, who most gave up on when he lied about his inauguration crowd size, was twice impeached, and is soon to be indicted, would get 75 percent of the vote?

Sure. That’s fine. Say for getting past this point I’m a Fox News news max loving maga trumpq conspiracy red state hydroxychloroquine anti vax 57 gun owning xenophobic middle aged white guy..

 

 

why are the dems not using their unilateral majority to increase the debt ceiling? 

[Governor]

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Sure. That’s fine. Say for getting past this point I’m a Fox News news max loving maga trumpq conspiracy red state hydroxychloroquine anti vax 57 gun owning xenophobic middle aged white guy..

 

 

why are the dems not using their unilateral majority to increase the debt ceiling? 

They are. It will pass, along with both infrastructure bills.

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

They are. It will pass, along with both infrastructure bills.

 

 

So why don’t they? Why all the theater? 
 

Take a stand and own it. 

[Governor]

12 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

So why don’t they? Why all the theater? 
 

Take a stand and own it. 

Why all the theater? Do you not remember Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and the rest of the teabagger nimrods during that process under Obama?
 

This is a pivot for Republicans to pretend that they care about spending, except it isn’t working.

13 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

So why don’t they? Why all the theater? 
 

Take a stand and own it. 

Basically, you went to the well a dozen too many times and Mitch just falls back in obstruction. This is nothing new.

 

The problem is that we have the house and the senate, so obstruction can slow things down, but won’t work in the end.

Edited September 25, 2021 by Governor

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

17 minutes ago, Governor said:

Why all the theater? Do you not remember Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and the rest of the teabagger nimrods during that process under Obama?
 

This is a pivot for Republicans to pretend that they care about spending, except it isn’t working.

Basically, you went to the well a dozen too many times and Mitch just falls back in obstruction. This is nothing new.

 

The problem is that we have the house and the senate, so obstruction can slow things down, but won’t work in the end.

Um… so, to recap. Senate democrats, house democrats, White House democrats… so raise the debt ceiling already…. Why all the whining? 

[Governor]

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Um… so, to recap. Senate democrats, house democrats, White House democrats… so raise the debt ceiling already…. Why all the whining? 

Because we need to make it crystal clear that the GOP wants to default and sink the economy……and voters now know that.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

33 minutes ago, Governor said:

Because we need to make it crystal clear that the GOP wants to default and sink the economy……and voters now know that.

They record who votes for what right? 

[Governor]

14 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

They record who votes for what right? 

Indeed. Basically, Mitch is hogtied by Trump and will just obstruct from here on out. They will have to explain to their moderate constituents why they voted to sink the US economy.

 

Its not a good strategy. Mitch is hoping the economy  dips so he can steal a few senate seats, or at least pretend that he tried, to avoid attacks from Trump.

 

After looking at these Senate races, Mitch needs something big to happen. It doesn’t look it it’s going to.

 

Hes basically risking your retirement to become leader again and they have no way of fixing that damage later.

 

We’re used to obstruction after 8 years of Obama. Just point it out, get them on record/votes, and move on.

 

Biden won’t make the mistakes Obama made. It’s the same playbook, but it isn’t working this time because the senate is tied, and the political landscape is different…..Covid, etc.

 

GOP: One-trick ponies.

Edited September 25, 2021 by Governor

[Governor]

26 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

They record who votes for what right? 

Mitch is trying to put Sinema and Manchin in a position where they have to vote with Dems on these large packages, thinking that it will make them vulnerable in their next elections, and can paint them as liberals.

 

The problem is that the NC seat and the Pennsylvania seat could easily go blue.

 

Mitch basically got dealt a 2/7 off suit. There isn’t much he can do other than obstruct.

 

At the same time, Manchin and Sinema know they hold a strong hand. They just flopped trips and are slow playing it to maximize the profit/pork from those hands. It’s just games and drama.

Edited September 25, 2021 by Governor

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

Indeed. Basically, Mitch is hogtied by Trump and will just obstruct from here on out. They will have to explain to their moderate constituents why they voted to sink the US economy.

 

Its not a good strategy. Mitch is hoping the economy  dips so he can steal a few senate seats, or at least pretend that he tried, to avoid attacks from Trump.

 

After looking at these Senate races, Mitch needs something big to happen. It doesn’t look it it’s going to.

 

Hes basically risking your retirement to become leader again and they have no way of fixing that damage later.

Not risking my retirement. I played nasdaq like a champ after the government induced recession.  Now I’m liquid and looking to invest away from this disaster in the making.  I’d buy stock in the companies all the dems plan on enriching with their huge spending programs, but it’s hard to figure out who owns them until after the fact. Is Solyndra still around? Maybe I should just buy a beach house…. Far enough from the water that the ocean doesn’t swallow it next week of course. Because it’s the greatest blah blah blah 

 

im good either way, my company is killing it with all these fed give aways. 
 

my executive team is using your dems emergency broadband program to make sure everyone will get their six or seven figure bonus. but hey, they’ve got fcc friends. They all know how much they are helping the little guy 😉 
 

You guys sure don’t seem like you are doing this right. 
 

 

[Governor]

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Not risking my retirement. I played nasdaq like a champ after the government induced recession.  Now I’m liquid and looking to invest away from this disaster in the making.  I’d buy stock in the companies all the dems plan on enriching with their huge spending programs, but it’s hard to figure out who owns them until after the fact. Is Solyndra still around? Maybe I should just buy a beach house…. Far enough from the water that the ocean doesn’t swallow it next week of course. Because it’s the greatest blah blah blah 

 

im good either way, my company is killing it with all these fed give aways. 
 

my executive team is using your dems emergency broadband program to make sure everyone will get their six or seven figure bonus. but hey, they’ve got fcc friends. They all know how much they are helping the little guy 😉 
 

You guys sure don’t seem like you are doing this right. 
 

 

We’re doing it exactly right….to extend our leads after the midterms.

 

Who do you think these people that just got a second round of PPP are going to vote for? How bout the disgusting child credit money that will kick in right before the election?

 

How about the fact that Nancy raised the floor to 20/hr for basic warehouse jobs that used to pay 11 dollars.

 

Voters know who gave them these things.

 

DeSantis will probably block the 15 minimum wage hike through the courts. 
 

They’re in really bad shape.

[Backintheday544]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Um… so, to recap. Senate democrats, house democrats, White House democrats… so raise the debt ceiling already…. Why all the whining? 

Why should they? The Dems outsmarted the Republicans to use reconciliation 3 times (basically).

 

Republicans got to use reconciliation twice after Trump. The first time they added a ton of debt for tax cuts to the rich. The second time they wanted to take away people’s health insurance.

 

Dems used their first time to help people in the pandemic and their second one to help every day Americans (while increasing taxes on the wealthy but it’s not passed yet and still waiting Senate language)

 

The debt ceiling is something that historically has been passed bi-partisanly until the tea party held Americans Hostage. When Trump was President the Dems helped raise it 3 times.

 

The Dems are asking for Republicans to act like grown up and Republicans are acting like Republicans.

 

Also Dems aren’t followers like the Republicans. It’s great seeing a bit of House Dems call out Biden. Something that didn’t happen in the Trump era from Republicans.

Edited September 25, 2021 by Backintheday544

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, Governor said:

We’re doing it exactly right….to extend our leads after the midterms.

 

Who do you think these people that just got a second round of PPP are going to vote for? How bout the disgusting child credit money that will kick in right before the election?

 

How about the fact that Nancy raised the floor to 20/hr for basic warehouse jobs that used to pay 11 dollars.

 

Voters know who gave them these things.

 

DeSantis will probably block the 15 minimum wage hike through the courts. 
 

They’re in really bad shape.

part of me hopes it happens. While having the democrats in power is really bad for my kids generation, our company is making money like never before thanks to this new admin. Its almost like we get our own turn at the printing press. If this infrastructure bill passes my bonus next year will beat your annual household income. 
 

that sounds like the democrats I grew up knowing. You? 

 

[Governor]

11 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

part of me hopes it happens. While having the democrats in power is really bad for my kids generation, our company is making money like never before thanks to this new admin. Its almost like we get our own turn at the printing press. If this infrastructure bill passes my bonus next year will beat your annual household income. 
 

that sounds like the democrats I grew up knowing. You? 

 

We went to my gf’s cousins house last week in Livingston. They’re a little younger than us. She works for MTA and he has some finance job. They make 400k combined. They do travel to the city each day tho. 
 

People are banking up here. The lower class just saw their wages double in the last 2 years.

 

I’ve never seen anything quite like this is my lifetime. The new floor is set.

 

Wish I could say the same for southern states. They won’t ever get close to where we’re at.

 

I might actually go back to work. Lol.

Edited September 25, 2021 by Governor

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

Why should they? The Dems outsmarted the Republicans to use reconciliation 3 times (basically).

 

Republicans got to use reconciliation twice after Trump. The first time they added a ton of debt for tax cuts to the rich. The second time they wanted to take away people’s health insurance.

 

Dems used their first time to help people in the pandemic and their second one to help every day Americans (while increasing taxes on the wealthy but it’s not passed yet and still waiting Senate language)

 

The debt ceiling is something that historically has been passed bi-partisanly until the tea party held Americans Hostage. When Trump was President the Dems helped raise it 3 times.

 

The Dems are asking for Republicans to act like grown up and Republicans are acting like Republicans.

with all due respect to the Republicans on the board here who tend to be much more pleasant, it’s a disaster. 
 

they have imo 1 talking point right despite their actual behavior, and that is the federal government is to big, expensive, ineffective, corrupt, bloated and overpriced. The problem is they are part of it too. 
 

 

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

We went to my gf’s cousins house last week in Livingston. They’re a little younger than us. She works for MTA and he has some finance job. They make 400k combined. They do travel to the city each day tho. 
 

People are banking up here. The lower class just saw their wages double in the last 2 years.

 

I’ve never seen anything quite like this is my lifetime. The new floor is set.

 

Wish I could say the same for southern states. They won’t ever get close to where we’re at.

You didn’t even stop by and say hi?

400k? hope They are ok paying more taxes than Bezos… for some reason those ‘wealthy’ aren’t impacted by the proposed tax law. 🤔 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

By the way what is your thought on Biden’s tax evasion. He’s been talking about fair share so much I was shocked to see he evaded taxes 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Governor said:

This is your problem. You think the cult is the majority. That’s because of the media you consume. I know this because it used to be my job to know that.

 

If the election were tomorrow, Biden would win by more than he did the first time. I know that for a fact.

 

So, what ware you watching that would lead you to believe that a past president, who lost most voters when  he lied about his inauguration crowd size, was twice impeached, and is soon to be indicted, would get 75 percent of the vote?

 

I understand that you’re angry, but you’re losing badly because Biden has a bear hug on the center.

 

The “cult” is not the majority, just like the Dems weren't the majority because Joey got more votes. Independents got duped and are having buyer’s remorse now.  

 

1 hour ago, Governor said:

Because we need to make it crystal clear that the GOP wants to default and sink the economy……and voters now know that.

You mean you want to lie and (continue to) blame it on the Republicans.  Because, again, the Dems can unilaterally “save” the economy.  Why wouldn’t they want to make themselves the heroes?  

[Backintheday544]

3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

with all due respect to the Republicans on the board here who tend to be much more pleasant, it’s a disaster. 
 

they have imo 1 talking point right despite their actual behavior, and that is the federal government is to big, expensive, ineffective, corrupt, bloated and overpriced. The problem is they are part of it too. 
 

 

You didn’t even stop by and say hi?

400k? hope They are ok paying more taxes than Bezos… for some reason those ‘wealthy’ aren’t impacted by the proposed tax law. 🤔 

 

I’m assuming you are agreeing the Republican childish behavior is a disaster.

 

A large part of the debt is bi-partisan bills like the CAREs Act or Republican bills like TCJA. $0 of the debt is from the dem reconciliation bill that has yet to pass.

 

The Republicans are just trying to eat up one of the Dems reconciliation bills. And this is for something no one cared about and always passed before the tea party for one go around and after that the devastation on the economy was so great they didn’t mess with it again. Dems with Trump just passed it 3 times.