leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 10 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I don't quite follow your logic. The fact that almost all Covid deaths since the vaccines became widely available are among the unvaccinated should dispel any notion that the vaccine is bull crap regardless of CDC guidelines. One of the realities we all live with is that we really can’t trust anything coming out of this entire process. Speaking from my perspective only—that of a 60ish year old male, in good physical health, who got the vaccine early on and who has been getting the flu shot for about 7 or 8 years—there is plenty of reason to doubt the “death from COVID” v “Death with COVID” v “Death maybe with COVID” count. I’ve seen estimates that true COVID counts are 30% lower than advertised, and that would not surprise me in the least. Add to that that the optics of Fauci et al and their involvement with the lab where this all started, the fact that it took months for the relationship/alliance to be revealed, the refusal to discuss lab leak v bat bite theory early or morphing into “well maybe” later on, and the apparent lack of any interest in any ongoing public review or how the $&@& this happened to begin with makes me very cautious about what to believe. Put another way, I have no faith in the vax v unvax death count, and asking folks to just the data is asking far too much of me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Vaccine vs covid side effects. Only 880,000 data points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 people i know who dont want the vax arent worried about side effects. its the same people who arent worried about a flu shot each year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bockeye Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 https://www.instagram.com/p/CUouA3cLFul/?utm_medium=share_sheet Scroll through to see videos - Pfizer scientists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 10 minute video....what do you all make of this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Death panels anyone ? and if you can't see what is wrong with this................you are too far gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 1 hour ago, B-Man said: Death panels anyone ? and if you can't see what is wrong with this................you are too far gone. As a health care worker I am terribly sorry for anyone who is dealing with an illness so severe that organ donation is the only treatment opinion left. I work in reproductive medicine and have been called into ERs when a guy is lying brain dead, the wife wants you to freeze his sperm, and you have to tell her it likely won’t work. Not organ donation, but difficult decisions have to be made often in medicine under really emotional circumstances. In the case of organ donation you have limited resources. There are more people who need a kidney than there are donors. If you have to choose between two people who will die without a donor kidney, one is vaccinated and one is not, the vaccinated person is much less likely to get sick or die from Covid. I pity the medical professionals that might get put into such a situation, but selecting recipients based on medical history (such as history of alcoholism, severity of heart disease, and such) is unfortunately part of the process. I wish more people would consider organ donation for themselves and their loved ones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: As a health care worker I am terribly sorry for anyone who is dealing with an illness so severe that organ donation is the only treatment opinion left. I work in reproductive medicine and have been called into ERs when a guy is lying brain dead, the wife wants you to freeze his sperm, and you have to tell her it likely won’t work. Not organ donation, but difficult decisions have to be made often in medicine under really emotional circumstances. In the case of organ donation you have limited resources. There are more people who need a kidney than there are donors. If you have to choose between two people who will die without a donor kidney, one is vaccinated and one is not, the vaccinated person is much less likely to get sick or die from Covid. I pity the medical professionals that might get put into such a situation, but selecting recipients based on medical history (such as history of alcoholism, severity of heart disease, and such) is unfortunately part of the process. I wish more people would consider organ donation for themselves and their loved ones. We’re now up to comparing a person who chooses not to get a controversial voluntary vaccination with a person with an unmanageable dependency to alcohol? Holy cow. This reads more like a letter from an old English Lord who has claimed the noble right to bed another’s wife than a compassionate caring health care professional. Then again, medicine at its core is big business and who knows what they stand to gain (or lose) from this. In fact, this letter would be an excellent prop in a movie about corruption, death and despair in a hospital in any large city. I am an organ donor and have been for decades. Frankly, if this is the path to be taken, with human beings exercising free will being judged unworthy and cast asunder, I may have to reconsider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: We’re now up to comparing a person who chooses not to get a controversial voluntary vaccination with a person with an unmanageable dependency to alcohol? Holy cow. This reads more like a letter from an old English Lord who has claimed the noble right to bed another’s wife than a compassionate caring health care professional. Then again, medicine at its core is big business and who knows what they stand to gain (or lose) from this. In fact, this letter would be an excellent prop in a movie about corruption, death and despair in a hospital in any large city. I am an organ donor and have been for decades. Frankly, if this is the path to be taken, with human beings exercising free will being judged unworthy and cast asunder, I may have to reconsider. Showing lack of reading comprehension. There is a critical lack of organ donors in this country. Because of that, different medical conditions are historically used to distinguish who would get a donor organ when it becomes available. And if you have a medical condition that could put you at more risk of not surviving vs. someone who may have a longer life expectancy it comes into play. You cherry picked alcohol use but it could be a heart condition which was also mentioned or various other factors. And vaccinations against potentially fatal illnesses are factors that have to be considered, whether it be a Covid vaccine or hepatitis vaccine or do on. Organ donation is a horrendously difficult area of medicine, obviously for those who need the transplant but also for the health professionals who literally are sometimes put in the position of deciding who might live and who might die. I know folks that work in this field, and the emotional burdens are immense. So thanks for being a donor. Some day you are going to safe a life or two. Edited October 6, 2021 by oldmanfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 hours ago, B-Man said: Death panels anyone ? and if you can't see what is wrong with this................you are too far gone. So I can be a lifetime smoker, have been voluntarily obese for 50 years, and drink like a fish but if I won't get the shot I am off the list? This is immoral and disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 47 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: We’re now up to comparing a person who chooses not to get a controversial voluntary vaccination with a person with an unmanageable dependency to alcohol? Holy cow. This reads more like a letter from an old English Lord who has claimed the noble right to bed another’s wife than a compassionate caring health care professional. Then again, medicine at its core is big business and who knows what they stand to gain (or lose) from this. In fact, this letter would be an excellent prop in a movie about corruption, death and despair in a hospital in any large city. I am an organ donor and have been for decades. Frankly, if this is the path to be taken, with human beings exercising free will being judged unworthy and cast asunder, I may have to reconsider. Oldman is covering how organ selection works. And the vaccine is not controversial in the medical field. It’s controversial in American and Venezuelan social media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 9 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: So I can be a lifetime smoker, have been voluntarily obese for 50 years, and drink like a fish but if I won't get the shot I am off the list? This is immoral and disgusting. If you are any of the others listed you wouldn’t make the list either. Transplant programs do psychological analyses to see if you will follow medical advice post-transplant. The three conditions you list indicate they wouldn’t. Quit being deliberately obtuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Sundancer said: Oldman is covering how organ selection works. And the vaccine is not controversial in the medical field. It’s controversial in American and Venezuelan social media. I read the post, but thank you for the CliffNotes. As for the vaccine not being controversial, welp, it seems to me we got a whole lotta something going on given the massive number of unvaccinated people we have in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Beast said: 10 minute video....what do you all make of this? It’s what most people have known all along... Media and government cover up about natural immunity due to Big Pharma...👍 Also explains the social media censorship... Welcome to the rebellion... Edited October 6, 2021 by JaCrispy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: It’s what most people have known all along... Media and government cover up about natural immunity due to Big Pharma...👍 Also explains the social media censorship... Welcome to the rebellion... Employee: "I still feel like I work for an evil corporation." Used to be the Liberal knee jerk reaction....and 20 years ago absolutely would have resisted and called out (wouldn't be happening anyway) forced vaccinations they said wouldn't happen. So what changed? The far left could never overthrow the "bourgeoisie." They couldn't even get mainstream in the Democrat Party. Oh but now they are.......so it's on... Big *corporation* doesn't want to be overthrown and the public really isn't down with Amazon going bust in some disastrous socialist uprising. We like our stuff - but the elites want more and want you to have less. So they simply get the corporations to do their bidding. It's not hard - especially if many side with your party anyway - make it so it's impossible for anyone to affiliate themselves with Trump. Cancel them. Soviet Valley makes sure all opposition is suppressed and silenced. For *Big Corporation* to survive, the little guy has to go. What will be sacrificed are the small businesses. Socialism implemented. A mix of 1930s Fascism and 1970s Maoism. Call it whatever you want. It's not freedom. The current trajectory of this country will be full Venezuela. I give it 5 years and that's it. No election can save it. Not DeSantis. Not Trump. Because the enemies of the State are within and to defeat them goes against our values - values they no longer share. Secession is the only solution. The Left is too far gone. Edited October 6, 2021 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 5 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I read the post, but thank you for the CliffNotes. As for the vaccine not being controversial, welp, it seems to me we got a whole lotta something going on given the massive number of unvaccinated people we have in this country. Like I said, not controversial except in US social media and Venezuelan politics. No controversy in medical circles. Getting vaccinated is a sign you will be a good custodian of the limited organ supply. That's a medical, not social media driven, observation. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 11 hours ago, B-Man said: Death panels anyone ? and if you can't see what is wrong with this................you are too far gone. Welcome to life. Your choice. Choices have consequences. Whine on, you crazy diamonds! 💎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 7 hours ago, JaCrispy said: It’s what most people have known all along... Media and government cover up about natural immunity due to Big Pharma...👍 Also explains the social media censorship... Welcome to the rebellion... One thing that gets mentioned and is absolutely true is they should have an antibody card and ease of antibody testing to go with the vaccine card. That would alleviate these valid concerns of the naturally infected and be really beneficial to validate the efficacy of the vaccine in the immunocompromised. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 52 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: One thing that gets mentioned and is absolutely true is they should have an antibody card and ease of antibody testing to go with the vaccine card. That would alleviate these valid concerns of the naturally infected and be really beneficial to validate the efficacy of the vaccine in the immunocompromised. Antibody testing is not that accurate in mass settings unfortunately. But that would be great if it was possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Antibody testing is not that accurate in mass settings unfortunately. But that would be great if it was possible. You really need to measure memory B cell and Tcell responses ideally, both in vaccinated persons as well as those previously infected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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