Irv Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Why is it that Democrats scream that "it's my body, my choice" when it comes to abortion but mandate vaccines? Hypocrites. What A Mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeBills Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 I love it...21 months into this, the moronic media and gov't are still touting that "1,500 people died of COVID yesterday"... No you morons, actually 7,600 people died yesterday, on average, the majority of whom are old and die of such things as a matter of course. More convinced than ever there is some Leftist Global Cabal over-seeing all this, it's working out too smoothly for their desired outcomes. Soon we will see the rationing and price caps and lines and "passes" that tend to accompany Socialist Authoritarian shifts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: Well, our hospitals/hospital capacity isn't controlled at the federal level. I can tell you at my hospital, during Covid surges, they allocate more beds/floors to Covid patients and push off whatever surgical procedures they can to enable the reallocations. Since we mostly aren't a socialized medicine country, temporary beds would be the way to go (like USNS Comfort). Hospitals aren't going to commit to excess capacity long-term as it will incur financial losses after Covid reaches an endemic equilibrium. There isn’t much that’s supposed to be controlled at the federal level but are we really in here pretending that’s how it actually works? What happened to the Comfort when it pulled into NYC, again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 17 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Something's I heard today from a medical historian is that part of the reason for this not dying out is that we shut things down so far that the disease had too much time to adapt. Basically if we had simply lived our normal lives we would have had more illness in 2020 but because of herd immunity much less in 2021 and beyond. I have not thought much about it but did think it was interesting. Well, your medical historian has an interesting and mostly incorrect argument. They have a good point that natural immunity will have an important role in mitigating this virus. Certainly states/areas with less natural immunity will be interesting to watch in future outbreaks. You have to wonder if low natural immunity influenced the current outbreak in Washington and Oregon. But we would have many more deaths and morbidity if we hadn't taken preventative measures. You can look to Russia, pessimistic philosophy and distrustful of their government, the populace mostly chooses to tough it out. Vaccinations were under 20% for the longest time and have finally climbed over 30%. Check out their graphs: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/#graph-cases-daily https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/#graph-deaths-daily No return to baseline after surges and escalating baselines and surges. Hopefully this data speaks for itself. Go look at how isolation and masking affected the flu last year. Experts think some substrains died out completely. Will we have record numbers this year? We'll see. But Covid will not die out. It is here to stay, it just needs to be better controlled and lower circulating. The more it circulates the more it mutates. Lockdowns allowed medicine and science time to understand/adapt to Covid, masking/distancing helped slow the spread to mostly manageable levels. Now we need to lower its circulation through vaccination, especially in the rest of the world. The interesting thing will be how China adapts, given its most prevalent vaccines are not very good and with no natural populace immunity. We are a global community and I suspect they will have a price to be paid in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, LeviF said: There isn’t much that’s supposed to be controlled at the federal level but are we really in here pretending that’s how it actually works? What happened to the Comfort when it pulled into NYC, again? Pretending? Feds don't run the hospitals, my hospital is Cuyahoga County facility (Cleveland) that functions mostly independently with President and executive committee overseen by a County Commission. Feds certainly don't run the Cleveland Clinic or anything other than the VAs. Feds can influence through $, but then they would have to financially support increases in capacity. I don't think either side wants that. I know exactly what happened to the Comfort. Do you know why they didn't use it? Because I don't for sure. I feel Cuomo is partly to blame with his ######ed nursing home policy, but there are considerable logistics to transporting patients to hospital ships and perhaps given the nature of the emergency they couldn't put a plan or adequate personnel together fast enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 minute ago, GaryPinC said: Pretending? Feds don't run the hospitals, my hospital is Cuyahoga County facility (Cleveland) that functions mostly independently with President and executive committee overseen by a County Commission. Feds certainly don't run the Cleveland Clinic or anything other than the VAs. Feds can influence through $, but then they would have to financially support increases in capacity. I don't think either side wants that. I know exactly what happened to the Comfort. Do you know why they didn't use it? Because I don't for sure. I feel Cuomo is partly to blame with his ######ed nursing home policy, but there are considerable logistics to transporting patients to hospital ships and perhaps given the nature of the emergency they couldn't put a plan or adequate personnel together fast enough? bruh if you don't think the G could set up temp hospitals in a matter of hours idk what to tell you. It's a combination of things, but it may be related to the reason why the ventilators Cuomo stole from upstate hospitals never got used downstate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 GQP = sick pucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Just now, LeviF said: bruh if you don't think the G could set up temp hospitals in a matter of hours idk what to tell you. It's a combination of things, but it may be related to the reason why the ventilators Cuomo stole from upstate hospitals never got used downstate. Bruh, how long would it take the government to mobilize all the proper equipment and personnel, identify suitable space and parking/transportation logistics, get everything down there and get it set up, functional and effective? Why do you think they choose to instead send the hospital ships? Or would it be better just to bounce patients (especially non-covids) to outlying hospitals and work within the greater system? I mean, I would like to think there's a plans for makeshift military hospitals but I don't have much faith it could be executed well in major cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: Well, your medical historian has an interesting and mostly incorrect argument. They have a good point that natural immunity will have an important role in mitigating this virus. Certainly states/areas with less natural immunity will be interesting to watch in future outbreaks. You have to wonder if low natural immunity influenced the current outbreak in Washington and Oregon. But we would have many more deaths and morbidity if we hadn't taken preventative measures. You can look to Russia, pessimistic philosophy and distrustful of their government, the populace mostly chooses to tough it out. Vaccinations were under 20% for the longest time and have finally climbed over 30%. Check out their graphs: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/#graph-cases-daily https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/#graph-deaths-daily No return to baseline after surges and escalating baselines and surges. Hopefully this data speaks for itself. Go look at how isolation and masking affected the flu last year. Experts think some substrains died out completely. Will we have record numbers this year? We'll see. But Covid will not die out. It is here to stay, it just needs to be better controlled and lower circulating. The more it circulates the more it mutates. Lockdowns allowed medicine and science time to understand/adapt to Covid, masking/distancing helped slow the spread to mostly manageable levels. Now we need to lower its circulation through vaccination, especially in the rest of the world. The interesting thing will be how China adapts, given its most prevalent vaccines are not very good and with no natural populace immunity. We are a global community and I suspect they will have a price to be paid in the future. Still the death rate didn't really put a dent in the human population. Life will go on as its done in pandemics and outbreaks in the past. And while the media and the government are still presenting this as a second Black Death almost all the deaths were in people that were sick with other conditions or very old. So nature culling the herd more or less. Like the slowest or the sick Bison gets caught by the wolves. What I don't understand is how little lifestyle adjustment people in general have made in response to the pandemic. If every there was a signal to lose a some excess weight, get some moderate exercise, stop smoking and drinking, eat a little healthier, and take your vitamins this is it. Yet I don't see too much behavior modification out there. So if you're obese, an out of shape smoker, your diet consists of wings, fries, and beer, with high blood sugar, and cholesterol, don't blame the un-vaccinated. Blame yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Irv said: Why is it that Democrats scream that "it's my body, my choice" when it comes to abortion but mandate vaccines? Hypocrites. What A Mess Why do Republicans scream “it’s my body, my choice” when it comes to vaccine mandates and not abortion. Hypocrites. What A Mess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 THE LEFT’S WAR ON SCIENCE: Covid, lockdown and the retreat of scientific debate. Unable to defend the results of their disastrous policies, lockdown proponents resort to their familiar tactic of trying to smear the Great Barrington scientists who got it right. And the British Medical Journal disgraces itself by publishing the leftist hacks’ substance-free, error-filled attack. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/covid-lockdown-and-the-retreat-of-scientific-debate# https://www.city-journal.org/panic-pandemic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: Why do Republicans scream “it’s my body, my choice” when it comes to vaccine mandates and not abortion. Hypocrites. What A Mess Because when it comes to abortion there is a second body of a child involved. The fact that did not occur to you makes you seem unable to see anything from any other angle besides the lowest common viewpoint. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Just now, Buffalo Timmy said: Because when it comes to abortion there is a second body of a child involved. The fact that did not occur to you makes you seem unable to see anything from any other angle besides the lowest common viewpoint. A bunch of cells do not make a body. With the vaccine not just a second body is involved but the bodies of everyone you are around each day. How can you say a second body isn’t involved with the vaccine unless you live in a basement in your parents house and never come out to interact with society….. ohhh got ya man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 33 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: A bunch of cells do not make a body. With the vaccine not just a second body is involved but the bodies of everyone you are around each day. How can you say a second body isn’t involved with the vaccine unless you live in a basement in your parents house and never come out to interact with society….. ohhh got ya man. Simple questions- when does it become a body? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Just now, Buffalo Timmy said: Simple questions- when does it become a body? It’s not a simple question and it’s why there’s issues with it. If you think it’s a simple question then you don’t understand the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 but can we mandate the vax to the body/clump of cells until we define that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 47 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: It’s not a simple question and it’s why there’s issues with it. If you think it’s a simple question then you don’t understand the issue. But you just simplified it a couple lines up. I’m assuming you’re an “abortion up to birth” supporter? Here’s what you posted previously: 6 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: Why do Republicans scream “it’s my body, my choice” when it comes to vaccine mandates and not abortion. Hypocrites. What A Mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 ETTD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said: It’s not a simple question and it’s why there’s issues with it. If you think it’s a simple question then you don’t understand the issue. You were the one mocking others, not me. You asked a stupid question that you yourself just admitted you understand the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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