Mr. WEO Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Of course not But they might make a decision that it doesn't go downtown because of a socialist mayor and an unknown element Well deciding it won't be downtown is making a decision about it's future location. Any hint on what these "unknown element" or "elements" might be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Well deciding it won't be downtown is making a decision about it's future location. Any hint on what these "unknown element" or "elements" might be? Buffalo has been stabilized over the last 16 years under Byron Brown Hes a politician who knows the game.. sure he ran a weak campaign but he thought he was a shoe in to win There are a lot of business men and people in the community who are really worried about somebody who is unqualified with radical ideas If/when she is sworn in and depending how long she stays the City of Buffalo could drastically change.. it's a very real unknown element Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, BUFFALOBART said: "Socialist Mayor" Indeed. You are delusional. So the city didn't just elect a socialist to win the primary? India Walton is a on the record socialist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: Socialism = BAD. Let's get rid of Police, Fire, Schools, Teachers, Roads, (etc., etc) so we can be DONE with the dreaded "Socialism"!!! She wants to take 6 million away from the Buffalo police force hahaha and then allocate more funds The most violent city in the state.. they need better police training not handicapped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, BUFFALOBART said: Roll your eyes, You've got nothing to say. Socialism has never worked in any country ever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, BUFFALOBART said: If The wealthy,and corporations paid their fair share, there would be plenty of money to go around, but facts always seem to get in the way, for you. America's a capitalist society. The exact opposite of socialism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Buffalo has been stabilized over the last 16 years under Byron Brown Hes a politician who knows the game.. sure he ran a weak campaign but he thought he was a shoe in to win There are a lot of business men and people in the community who are really worried about somebody who is unqualified with radical ideas If/when she is sworn in and depending how long she stays the City of Buffalo could drastically change.. it's a very real unknown element Buffalo's stabilization is due to the massive piles of money the city has received from the state over that time period (see: the Buffalo Billion scam). I don't know what power the Mayor Of Buffalo has to make radical changes, no matter their philosophy. Upstate city mayors are mostly caretakers in metros with County government (Erie, Monroe, etc). Brown is still under federal investigation for taking contributions from the city's garbage hauling contractor. His 5th term campaign should have been a slam dunk. The city's finances are bad. Businesses should worry that this boob is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, BUFFALOBART said: So. Get rid of the roads, and bridges, Schools, Police, Fire, Clean Water, etc. That's what you want. Right? How does pro capitalism equal any of that Police forces and schools does not equal socialism Our taxes pay for those.. and taxes isn't socialism Socialism is complete government and state intervention in business.. there are no privately owned businesses in true socialism Capitalism will let you go from the ghetto to a millionaire 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: She wants to take 6 million away from the Buffalo police force hahaha and then allocate more funds The most violent city in the state.. they need better police training not handicapped No it's not. And how would a mayor go about eliminating 6 million for....anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Buffalo's stabilization is due to the massive piles of money the city has received from the state over that time period (see: the Buffalo Billion scam). I don't know what power the Mayor Of Buffalo has to make radical changes, no matter their philosophy. Upstate city mayors are mostly caretakers in metros with County government (Erie, Monroe, etc). Brown is still under federal investigation for taking contributions from the city's garbage hauling contractor. His 5th term campaign should have been a slam dunk. The city's finances are bad. Businesses should worry that this boob is gone. Mayors have enough power. She could turn Buffalo into a sanctuary City if she wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 How to derail a thread. Take it to ppp. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: No it's not. And how would a mayor go about eliminating 6 million for....anything? Yes it is statistically that's a fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Yes it is statistically that's a fact She makes a budget. She could allocate money and redistribute it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Mayors have enough power. She could turn Buffalo into a sanctuary City if she wants. No they don't. Budgets are proposed and then voted on. Sanctuary has nothing to do with cops funding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, BUFFALOBART said: I don't wish to soil my shoes... Here's a link because you already are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: No they don't. Budgets are proposed and then voted on. Sanctuary has nothing to do with cops funding. I never said it had anything to do with cop funding. I said she wants to allocate 6 million dollars of police funds And Mayors do have the power to turn a city into a sanctuary City. And people are afraid she will https://wyrk.com/buffalo-named-most-dangerous-city-in-new-york-state/ Buffalo most dangerous city in New York. Not a 2021 list yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, BUFFALOBART said: "Our taxes pay for those"...Errrrrr...guess what?? Paying taxes for public services, is ((((((SOCIALISM)))))) That's not the definition of socialism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I never said it had anything to do with cop funding. I said she wants to allocate 6 million dollars of police funds And Mayors do have the power to turn a city into a sanctuary City. And people are afraid she will https://wyrk.com/buffalo-named-most-dangerous-city-in-new-york-state/ Buffalo most dangerous city in New York. Not a 2021 list yet Sure there is... https://www.roadsnacks.net/most-dangerous-places-in-new-york/ Who cares if it's a sanctuary city? Mayor can't cut funding by deciding to reallocate it somewhere else. A budget has to be passed by the legislature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Sure there is... https://www.roadsnacks.net/most-dangerous-places-in-new-york/ Who cares if it's a sanctuary city? Mayor can't cut funding by deciding to reallocate it somewhere else. A budget has to be passed by the legislature. And the years not over with.. so it's not official.. this is Peak murder season in Buffalo Now .. this is when the gangs are violent Wait till the year ends in Buffalo's number one again.. is third place really something to brag about That's still super dangerous Edited July 5, 2021 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, BUFFALOBART said: You are full of blind, empty assumptions.. I live here. It's my home I spend tons of time all over the beautiful city.. Parts of the west side and lots of the east side have massive gang problems .. that's a fact It's violent on the east side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 41 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: And the years not over with.. so it's not official.. this is Peak murder season in Buffalo Now .. this is when the gangs are violent Wait till the year ends in Buffalo's number one again.. is third place really something to brag about That's still super dangerous Didnt you say Brown brought stability? Maybe you meant being the number 1 violent city every year? That is pretty stable I must say. Lol Anyway,I’m out… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Round and round the drain we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Didnt you say Brown brought stability? Maybe you meant being the number 1 violent city every year? That is pretty stable I must say. Lol Anyway,I’m out… I thought Buffalo wasn't violent? Do you really think Mayor Brown has been bad for the city? Do you remember all the previous ones He brought stability because he brought the city together for the most part.. everybody loved all the work that was done downtown.. he was a democrat but moderate... Articulate .. he wasn't divisive I never said he made the city very safe.. downtown is very clean and safe which wasn't always the case I love this city. It's the reason I live here.. but I'm not blind to the negative aspects of it.. God forbid a resident has criticism Edited July 5, 2021 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 6 hours ago, BillStime said: Where did Bob Kraft want to build his new stadium? Hint: it wasn't Foxborough Boston Harbor near Southie. Red Sox even floated an idea for a new park there. NIMBYs killed that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: America's a capitalist society. The exact opposite of socialism This is not true. America has plenty of socialism. Most of it going to the wealthy. (Remember the 2008 bailouts?) 4 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, BUFFALOBART said: Enough of your "Dog Whistles": 2021 New York crime rates "New York's violent crime rate had a slight increase this year, moving up from 3.5 per 1,000 people to 3.6. In contrast, the state's property crime rate went down from 14.4 per 1,000 people to 13.7. Within the Mid-Atlantic region, New York had the highest violent crime rate above Pennsylvania (3.1). But it ranked in the middle for its property crime rate—close to New Jersey (13.4). New York comes in below the national average for violent crimes and property crimes, though its violent crime rate is still close to the US average. Among all 50 states, New York had the twenty-fifth-highest violent crime rate and the sixth-lowest property crime rate." https://www.safewise.com/blog/safest-cities-new-york/ And that's New York State as a whole not Buffalo.. I know somebody who was murdered in Lovejoy a few months ago.. spend a lot of time there... Nobody would consider it a rough part of Buffalo, but I'll tell you right now it's not safe after dark Again please this is my home I love this city.. a lot of people criticize the place and aren't even from here This is my home, and yes places like downtown are beautiful now and North Buffalo is gorgeous.. but I have a family home on the east side... And guess what it's none of the above.. and it's a violent area But I still love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: Enough of your "Dog Whistles": 2021 New York crime rates "New York's violent crime rate had a slight increase this year, moving up from 3.5 per 1,000 people to 3.6. In contrast, the state's property crime rate went down from 14.4 per 1,000 people to 13.7. Within the Mid-Atlantic region, New York had the highest violent crime rate above Pennsylvania (3.1). But it ranked in the middle for its property crime rate—close to New Jersey (13.4). New York comes in below the national average for violent crimes and property crimes, though its violent crime rate is still close to the US average. Among all 50 states, New York had the twenty-fifth-highest violent crime rate and the sixth-lowest property crime rate." https://www.safewise.com/blog/safest-cities-new-york/ When it was announced that the Patriots were moving to Hartford, it raised my eyebrows. Too bad that it was nothing but a negotiating ploy. It was a ploy. I don't think Hartford was ever seriously considered, despite going as far as saying they were moving. (If the Pats were really moving to Hartford the NY Giants and Jets would have had an issue.) But building new stadiums in Boston was broached before community opposition sank it. (Read that as Krafty Bob wouldn't pay off the right people. It's Bah-ston after all.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: This is not true. America has plenty of socialism. Most of it going to the wealthy. (Remember the 2008 bailouts?) Thats not technical socialism.. though I don't agree with it.. I'm talking socialism by definition.. Definition of socialism 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property AKA no form of private ownership.. everything is state government controlled Classic socialism 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Thats not technical socialism.. though I don't agree with it.. I'm talking socialism by definition.. Definition of socialism 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property AKA no form of private ownership.. everything is state government controlled Classic socialism Okay, a socialist democracy. We have public works, public schools, roads and highways, power grids, etc. Rugged individualists don't build those. Government does. There are social programs, Tax increment programs to encourage development. Good government balances free enterprise with the public good. You need both or society breaks down. 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: .. And guess what it's none of the above.. and it's a violent area But I still love it Just wondering why you still love it. I'm not being cheeky, just wondering how you could "love" a violent place to live. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bad Things said: Just wondering why you still love it. I'm not being cheeky, just wondering how you could "love" a violent place to live. Because there's still a lot of good people there A lot of history in the neighborhood, and I believe in people for the better.. it doesn't mean I still can't see its faults 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Okay, a socialist democracy. We have public works, public schools, roads and highways, power grids, etc. Rugged individualists don't build those. Government does. There are social programs, Tax increment programs to encourage development. Good government balances free enterprise with the public good. You need both or society breaks down. Again I don't consider taxation socialism.. founding fathers did not What they were rebelling against was taxation without representation.. we do have representation And of course I do think taxes for police and fire and water is a necessity.. I don't consider that socialism.. I just consider that society If we didn't have representation it be a problem.. but we do.. you don't get representation in socialism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Again I don't consider taxation socialism.. founding fathers did not What they were rebelling against was taxation without representation.. we do have representation And of course I do think taxes for police and fire and water is a necessity.. I don't consider that socialism.. I just consider that society If we didn't have representation it be a problem.. but we do.. you don't get representation in socialism I think you mean communism. And no they aren't the same 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I think you mean communism. And no they aren't the same I don't think communism and socialism are the same but they're not far off China is a socialist Communist country Look at the definitions of each.. everything is controlled by the state or government ... Private ownership is frowned upon Sure maybe they have an election in a socialist country.. probably as much as an election as it is in Russia or china Everything put into a pot and shared equally has never worked.. people have gone from the ghetto to being the best brain surgeon in the world because capitalism works That wouldn't happen at the same rate in a socialist country, and that's why we believe in capitalism.. true socialism doesn't breed genius, and it doesn't build prosperous Nations Edited July 5, 2021 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 7 hours ago, BillStime said: Buffalo's population at it peak was 580,132... the City was most definitely designed to handle more than what we see today. What year was that? (for those who do not want to do their own work 1950) What was transportation pattern including percentage of people with cars? What percentage of population worked outside the home? What percentage of Bills fans are from city of Buffalo? I took classes at UB examining population trends and the city of Buffalo today is very different than city of Buffalo Rail and buses carried workers to jobs not cars so saying it was "most definitely designed to handle more" is very, very deceptive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, Limeaid said: What year was that? (for those who do not want to do their own work 1950) What was transportation pattern including percentage of people with cars? What percentage of population worked outside the home? What percentage of Bills fans are from city of Buffalo? I took classes at UB examining population trends and the city of Buffalo today is very different than city of Buffalo Rail and buses carried workers to jobs not cars so saying it was "most definitely designed to handle more" is very, very deceptive. Yes, 1950. Bottom line - Buffalo is in a MUCH better position to disperse people with multiple forms of transportation than Orchard Park will ever be. That is why you take advantage and maximize these large transformative projects and make the most out of them so that the entire region can benefit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: I think that you are full of sh!t. All you do is complain. Make your Goddamn city a better place, instead of p!ssing, and moaning about what is wrong with it. Thank you sir But How do you know what I do or don't do in my community? I'm not a saint, but I grew up with a father who would give food to the homeless around the city.. I do have a caring heart and I'll give the jacket off my back if somebody needed it Edited July 5, 2021 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, BUFFALOBART said: "probably as much as an election as it is in Russia or china" You are out there, in 'Nutland', chief... You realize you're criticizing an opinion. And I'm not the only one who thinks this way Thank God this is America where you could have that opinion.. unlike China or Russia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: I'm done with you. It's probably almost curfew time for you, anyway... thank God 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 God bless Terry Pegula. I feel glad knowing that the Bills will never leave Buffalo in my lifetime. 3 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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