BillStime Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 Trump campaign staff on 2020 election lies: ‘fan the flame’ “Here’s the deal: Comms is going to continue to fan the flame and get the word out about Democrats trying to steal this election. We’ll do whatever they need. Just be on standby if there’s any stunts we need to pull,” Iverson said. “At the end of the day, this operation received more votes than any other Republican in Wisconsin history,” Iverson said. “Say what you want, our operation turned out Republican or DJT supporters. Democrats have got 20,000 more than us, out of Dane County and other shenanigans in Milwaukee, Green Bay and Dane. There’s a lot that people can learn from this campaign.” At one point, the operatives laugh over needing “more Black voices for Trump.” Iverson also references their efforts to engage with Black voters. “We ever talk to Black people before? I don’t think so,” he said, eliciting laughter from others in the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillStime Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share Posted February 8, 2023 The Big Lie can never die. The cult MU$T keep the illusion that the election was $TOLEN. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 11, 2023 Author Share Posted February 11, 2023 The Big Lie… was always a lie and Trump knew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillStime Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 But of course he did.... must keep the BIG LIE grift going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Talking to yourself again? Nice! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 54 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Talking to yourself again? Nice! nope. I'm reading. long suspected, now confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 27, 2023 Author Share Posted February 27, 2023 It was always a lie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3877024-georgia-judge-trump-grand-jury-panelists-can-talk-about-the-final-report/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 29 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3877024-georgia-judge-trump-grand-jury-panelists-can-talk-about-the-final-report/ Of course they can. Why follow standards when things can be made up on the fly? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Of course they can. Why follow standards when things can be made up on the fly? Tells you all you need to know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Frankish Reich Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 https://www.npr.org/2023/02/20/1158223099/fox-news-dominion-wackadoodle-election-fraud-claim Buried in the news cycle (Tucker has tapes! Tucker hates Trump!!) is something so astonishing I thought someone made it up. No. It’s real: Trump lawyer (they tried to disavow her later, but that’s exactly what she was) says she got her info on Dominion Voting Systems from another woman (not named). And here’s where Powell’s source got her information: “The author of the memo in which Powell and Bartiromo put so much stock offered detailed and utterly false claims of how Dominion Voting Systems helped rig the election for Biden. She also shared a bit about herself, writing that she gains insights from experiencing something "like time-travel in a semi-conscious state." But wait, there’s more! “Who am I? And how do I know all of this?... I've had the strangest dreams since I was a little girl," the woman wrote in the email shared by Powell with Bartiromo and Dobbs. "I was internally decapitated, and yet, I live." And THIS is what Fox News aired. And THIS is what a lot of buffoons gobbled up. It’s really hard to win a defamation lawsuit. But I think Fox will have to settle before it goes to trial. They aired accusations of voter fraud by Dominion that quite literally were dreamed up by some undisclosed wacko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demongyz Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/20/1158223099/fox-news-dominion-wackadoodle-election-fraud-claim Buried in the news cycle (Tucker has tapes! Tucker hates Trump!!) is something so astonishing I thought someone made it up. No. It’s real: Trump lawyer (they tried to disavow her later, but that’s exactly what she was) says she got her info on Dominion Voting Systems from another woman (not named). And here’s where Powell’s source got her information: “The author of the memo in which Powell and Bartiromo put so much stock offered detailed and utterly false claims of how Dominion Voting Systems helped rig the election for Biden. She also shared a bit about herself, writing that she gains insights from experiencing something "like time-travel in a semi-conscious state." But wait, there’s more! “Who am I? And how do I know all of this?... I've had the strangest dreams since I was a little girl," the woman wrote in the email shared by Powell with Bartiromo and Dobbs. "I was internally decapitated, and yet, I live." And THIS is what Fox News aired. And THIS is what a lot of buffoons gobbled up. It’s really hard to win a defamation lawsuit. But I think Fox will have to settle before it goes to trial. They aired accusations of voter fraud by Dominion that quite literally were dreamed up by some undisclosed wacko. That is hilarious. Crazy people be crazy. Now, did Fox say they have verified the information and that it was true or did they just bring to light that this is what was being said by someone who is a news maker? I can see them getting Powell, but I can't see them getting fox for defamation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Demongyz said: That is hilarious. Crazy people be crazy. Now, did Fox say they have verified the information and that it was true or did they just bring to light that this is what was being said by someone who is a news maker? I can see them getting Powell, but I can't see them getting fox for defamation. Good question. That’s why defamation suits are hard to win. Under the Supreme Court case (incidentally, one that many Republicans want it to overturn), you have to show “actual malice” in reporting fake news. So intent matters. But “actual malice” here doesn’t mean “I know it’s fake but I’m still airing it because I want to harm Dominion.” Reckless disregard for the truth may be enough. So the timing matters. Powell: I want to go on your “news” show to report that Dominion fixed the election.” Fox producer: “What’s your source?” Powell: “A memo from a woman who says this information comes to her in dreams.” Would that suffice? Definitely. I don’t know that that’s the chronology, but at a minimum they didn’t vet Powell’s source. Which also may suffice. They are trying to fall back on this argument (which may work): “We weren’t reporting it as news in and of itself; we were reporting that a Trump lawyer BELIEVES that Dominion machines were rigged.” But I still say they’ll settle since a huge judgment against them would be the worst case scenario. Even winning (case dismissed) doesn’t help them regain their reputation or whatever is left of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demongyz Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 17 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Good question. That’s why defamation suits are hard to win. Under the Supreme Court case (incidentally, one that many Republicans want it to overturn), you have to show “actual malice” in reporting fake news. So intent matters. But “actual malice” here doesn’t mean “I know it’s fake but I’m still airing it because I want to harm Dominion.” Reckless disregard for the truth may be enough. So the timing matters. Powell: I want to go on your “news” show to report that Dominion fixed the election.” Fox producer: “What’s your source?” Powell: “A memo from a woman who says this information comes to her in dreams.” Would that suffice? Definitely. I don’t know that that’s the chronology, but at a minimum they didn’t vet Powell’s source. Which also may suffice. They are trying to fall back on this argument (which may work): “We weren’t reporting it as news in and of itself; we were reporting that a Trump lawyer BELIEVES that Dominion machines were rigged.” But I still say they’ll settle since a huge judgment against them would be the worst case scenario. Even winning (case dismissed) doesn’t help them regain their reputation or whatever is left of it. Yeah, will be interesting to see if it went to trial, but I agree, it will be settled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 57 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/20/1158223099/fox-news-dominion-wackadoodle-election-fraud-claim Buried in the news cycle (Tucker has tapes! Tucker hates Trump!!) is something so astonishing I thought someone made it up. No. It’s real: Trump lawyer (they tried to disavow her later, but that’s exactly what she was) says she got her info on Dominion Voting Systems from another woman (not named). And here’s where Powell’s source got her information: “The author of the memo in which Powell and Bartiromo put so much stock offered detailed and utterly false claims of how Dominion Voting Systems helped rig the election for Biden. She also shared a bit about herself, writing that she gains insights from experiencing something "like time-travel in a semi-conscious state." But wait, there’s more! “Who am I? And how do I know all of this?... I've had the strangest dreams since I was a little girl," the woman wrote in the email shared by Powell with Bartiromo and Dobbs. "I was internally decapitated, and yet, I live." And THIS is what Fox News aired. And THIS is what a lot of buffoons gobbled up. It’s really hard to win a defamation lawsuit. But I think Fox will have to settle before it goes to trial. They aired accusations of voter fraud by Dominion that quite literally were dreamed up by some undisclosed wacko. And from where do you think Christopher Steele got his information? Were you astonished when you found out it from was Russian spies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Doc said: And from where do you think Christopher Steele got his information? Were you astonished when you found out it from was Russian spies? No. I wasn’t astonished. I was skeptical from the start. And as soon as I found out the provenance of that Steele memo (Dem connected law firm commissioned investigative group which then retained Steele) I discounted everything in it. So, knowing what we know now about these preposterous election fraud claims, do YOU agree that Biden was fairly elected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: No. I wasn’t astonished. I was skeptical from the start. And as soon as I found out the provenance of that Steele memo (Dem connected law firm commissioned investigative group which then retained Steele) I discounted everything in it. So, knowing what we know now about these preposterous election fraud claims, do YOU agree that Biden was fairly elected? No, I think that it was the least secure election in modern history. But it's over and all we can do is change the laws (back) to prevent that from happening again. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Doc said: No, I think that it was the least secure election in modern history. But it's over and all we can do is change the laws (back) to prevent that from happening again. So do you believe that Dominion voting machines were rigged/hacked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: So do you believe that Dominion voting machines were rigged/hacked? No. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 46 minutes ago, Doc said: No, I think that it was the least secure election in modern history. But it's over and all we can do is change the laws (back) to prevent that from happening again. When everyone in unison on the left and media demanded within a few WEEKS of the election that an election carried out with the most mail in ballots cast in history was the most secure election in US history, it was then that I knew for certain that major shenanigans went down. When they're all in lockstep telling you that you must believe that what they're telling you is true and do not dare ask questions, it is then that you can be certain that the opposite of what they're demanding that you believe is the truth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 52 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: When everyone in unison on the left and media demanded within a few WEEKS of the election that an election carried out with the most mail in ballots cast in history was the most secure election in US history, it was then that I knew for certain that major shenanigans went down. When they're all in lockstep telling you that you must believe that what they're telling you is true and do not dare ask questions, it is then that you can be certain that the opposite of what they're demanding that you believe is the truth. uh huh... https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-changes-tune-on-mail-in-voting-ballot-collection-fa7193be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 3 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: When everyone in unison on the left and media demanded within a few WEEKS of the election that an election carried out with the most mail in ballots cast in history was the most secure election in US history, it was then that I knew for certain that major shenanigans went down. When they're all in lockstep telling you that you must believe that what they're telling you is true and do not dare ask questions, it is then that you can be certain that the opposite of what they're demanding that you believe is the truth. Whereas in the past they were leery of mail-in ballots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillStime Posted March 16, 2023 Author Share Posted March 16, 2023 Karma is bich - you reap what you sow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 A smaller lie: https://www.rawstory.com/mike-pence-2659607847/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 43 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: A smaller lie: https://www.rawstory.com/mike-pence-2659607847/ i have a question you claim to be 60 how is it you been alive so long and not see the democratic flip? did you even remember "i may not like what you say but i defend your right to say it" "not color of skin but content of character" " anti war peace of the hippies" "womens rights" aka knowing what a woman is to uphold them. ill stop there. serious question because believe it or not i still hold those values but you would call me right wing...and im much younger but see very clear the dems are completely different now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Buffarukus said: i have a question you claim to be 60 how is it you been alive so long and not see the democratic flip? did you even remember "i may not like what you say but i defend your right to say it" "not color of skin but content of character" " anti war peace of the hippies" "womens rights" aka knowing what a woman is to uphold them. ill stop there. serious question because believe it or not i still hold those values but you would call me right wing...and im much younger but see very clear the dems are completely different now. I was a Republican for many years, even before I could vote. Come from a long line of Republicans. It is not the party of my fathers or grandfathers now. Neither is the Democrat party. It's now closer to the Republican party, especially the culturally progressive wing, when I was young. That and years of work have increased my level of empathy for the poor and suffering. re the bolded statements, I agree with these statements. The hippies were right. Vietnam was based on lies and was a terribly wasteful and destructive war. If more women were in power, I think the world would be a better place because of their innate empathy and caring. The other two are self explanatory. Edited March 17, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: I was a Republican for many years. Come from a long line of Republicans. It is not the party of my fathers or grandfathers now. Neither is the Democrat party. It's now closer to the Republican party when I was young. That and years of work have increased my level of empathy for the poor and suffering. Thanks for the honesty Hawk. I’m not sure what “empathy for the poor and suffering” have to do with the modern Democratic Party though. It feels to me like the Party leaders left that behind many years ago. They’ve slowly evolved into what Jessie Jackson one time called the Rainbow Coalition. Economic status is a side gig at best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Thanks for the honesty Hawk. I’m not sure what “empathy for the poor and suffering” have to do with the modern Democratic Party though. It feels to me like the Party leaders left that behind many years ago. They’ve slowly evolved into what Jessie Jackson one time called the Rainbow Coalition. Economic status is a side gig at best. Generally R's pass tax bills that benefit the wealthy. Send poor kids to war (yes, the D's have as well) and reject spending bills that support the poor. The D's are very far from perfect but closer to my definition of it, especially on these issues. And most are on the correct side or almost re healthcare. Given the massive concentration of wealth in the top 2-3 %, they also seek to redistribute some of that through taxation, which I also agree with. Edited March 17, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Generally R's pass tax bills that benefit the wealthy. Send poor kids to war (yes, the D's have as well) and reject spending bills that support the poor. The D's are very far from perfect but closer to my definition of it, especially on these issues. And most are on the correct side or almost re healthcare. Given the massive concentration of wealth in the top 2-3 %, they also seek to redistribute some of that through taxation, which I also agree with. All fair points. I obviously differ with you on the effectiveness of any of that. It’s simply not the role of the government to redistribute money. And by your own admission even after decades of trying to do just that, the gap continues to grow. On the subject of healthcare I’m much less entrenched. I’m not a healthcare voter, but before everyone jumps into that pool you better get ready for the obvious consequences. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: All fair points. I obviously differ with you on the effectiveness of any of that. It’s simply not the role of the government to redistribute money. And by your own admission even after decades of trying to do just that, the gap continues to grow. On the subject of healthcare I’m much less entrenched. I’m not a healthcare voter, but before everyone jumps into that pool you better get ready for the obvious consequences. I have relatives all over the world. Have been asked advice on health issues many times by them. I have some personal experience with the Canadian system (cutting edge eye surgery in Toronto as a kid). Recently witnessed the sophistication of the Australian system. Switzerland is the exception - the small sample of work I've seen is often bizarre. They are strange folk. Truly believe there are much better options for America than the for- profit one we have now. Also, we have a massive debt that I would argue the uber rich have successfully avoided their fair share of paying while reaping disproportional benefits. Edited March 17, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: I have relatives all over the world. Have been asked advice on health issues many times by them. I have some personal experience with the Canadian system (cutting edge eye surgery in Toronto as a kid). Recently witnessed the sophistication of the Australian system. Truly believe there are much better options for America than the for- profit one we have now. You’re clearly focused on the ‘for profit’ aspect. And I can tell that you consider that a dirty word. I don’t. Again, I’m not a healthcare voter. My consideration is less about the profit boogeyman and more about the universal aspect of it. In other words, if you have a service that literally everyone needs, is the private delivery model the most effective delivery model? The private model brings with it a ton of overhead and redundancy. Remember, you are NOT currently paying for healthcare. You are currently paying for health INSURANCE companies. The negative side is the inevitable governmental lethargy that comes with every public service. It’s an interesting debate. But…on the taxation side, I’m squarely in the flat tax camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You’re clearly focused on the ‘for profit’ aspect. And I can tell that you consider that a dirty word. I don’t. Again, I’m not a healthcare voter. My consideration is less about the profit boogeyman and more about the universal aspect of it. In other words, if you have a service that literally everyone needs, is the private delivery model the most effective delivery model? The private model brings with it a ton of overhead and redundancy. Remember, you are NOT currently paying for healthcare. You are currently paying for health INSURANCE companies. The negative side is the inevitable governmental lethargy that comes with every public service. It’s an interesting debate. But…on the taxation side, I’m squarely in the flat tax camp. I don't consider profit a dirty word. Profits are just fine especially if appropriate taxes are paid on them. It just doesn't fit well with medicine. Yes, you need to incentivize people to go through grueling years of school and training. You don't need to incentivize sharks that skim money from actual care. Edited March 17, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: I don't consider profit a dirty word. Profits are just fine especially if appropriate taxes are paid on them. It just doesn't fit well with medicine. Yes, you need to incentivize people to go through grueling years of school and training. You don't need to incentivize sharks that skim money from actual care. As a longtime business owner…believe me, taxes are paid on everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: As a longtime business owner…believe me, taxes are paid on everything. Sure they are for medium to small biz. My biz too. Look at what Apple and the alphabet companies pay proportionally. or the "nonprofits" like hospital systems. oh, and mr. trump...the are many mr trump's out there. Edited March 17, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, B-Man said: no mystery here. She isn't very likable and "deplorables" put a dagger in her campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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