wppete Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: LOL. You fail to understand that a civil case is as much an economic decision as anything else. Settling out of court is NOT an admission of guilt. And no settling out of court and not "clearing his name" doesnt mean "he is done", whatever crap that means. Yea no team will sign him, do i have the right? He settles out of court quickly and this will be nothing more than a trivia question on his wikipedia page. Nonesense.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 This is such garbage. People can post junk like this and it has an immediate effect on a persons life. Investigate anyone who intimates a person has been involved in criminal activity ... but there must be equal punishment for those pushing false narratives to destroy someone else’s livelihood. sound suspicious to me - very Jussie - and I’m always skeptical now when this stuff comes out. Believe all people .... who have proof 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Bakin said: This is such garbage. People can post junk like this and it has an immediate effect on a persons life. Investigate anyone who intimates a person has been involved in criminal activity ... but there must be equal punishment for those pushing false narratives to destroy someone else’s livelihood. sound suspicious to me - very Jussie - and I’m always skeptical now when this stuff comes out. Believe all people .... who have proof Complete agree!!! Wonder where all this type of mindset came from and who is propagating it. There is a a term for this type of mindset but I will not say it here as to some it could be viewed as talking politics and I don't want to hurt anyones feelings.. . Regardless there should be ramifications for people accusing someone with no proof... If true however Deahsaun Watson will pay a steep price. Should be interesting to see how this plays out. Edited March 17, 2021 by wppete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Oh, c'mon Bill. Put the safety back on the sarcasm projector. We all know that the timing of a lawsuit filing and the timing of any action on which the lawsuit is based aren't correlated. We also all know that allegations of sexual abuse from women are true more often than not. Taking it a step further, women often fail to report sexual harassment, abuse, and even rape. Rich, powerful people sometimes think that they can get away with this, and they are often correct. Anyone can click on any news site or open most newspapers and see excactly what I am talking about. That said, I believe in the American legal process. Every accused person is entitled to his or her day in court and full due process. Also, as Bill Kuntsler personally told me, every American citizen is entitled to the best legal defense they can possibly get. His words. This is why he took some cases pro bono. He defendeded some animalistic killers, but he represented his clients. That was his job. I don't declare Watson to be guilty. He might be innocent but I can't understand how or why one woud summarily dismiss the allegation of this woman because of "timing." I guess I have seen too many victims to do this HBF. Edited March 17, 2021 by Bill from NYC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 40 minutes ago, wppete said: Nonsense... if he is guilty or settles and doesn't clear his name then he is done... We have seen it with countless public figures over the last few years... Its a new world like it or not. I'm not sure where the "settles and doesn't clear his name then done" conclusion comes from. It's beyond the scope here to discuss public figures in general, but in Football many players have quietly settled with people bringing civil suits (which were then dropped) or have settled the suits themselves or even had judgement against them, and it barely stirs a ripple. Examples: McCoy settled lawsuit brought by his ex-mistress/fiancee/professional escort Delicia Cordon: https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/chiefs-mccoy-reaches-settlement-suit-filed-67500755 Quote Lawyers for Cordon, McCoy and Porter submitted a court filing Nov. 25 dismissing the case. A judge on Wednesday issued an order to close the case, citing notification from the parties that the matter was settled. The terms of the settlement are not disclosed in online court records. Lawyers for McCoy and Cordon didn't immediately respond to emails asking about the terms of the settlement. Went on to play for Tampa Bay and win another Superbowl ring last year, so much for "done" Civil suit brought against McCoy in bar fight with off-duty police officer resulted in settlement. McCoy paid, and went on to play for KC and Tampa and win 2 Superbowl rings: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2847863-lesean-mccoy-paid-55k-compensation-to-police-officer-injured-in-2016-bar-fight Quote Buffalo Bills running back LeSean McCoy paid a $55,000 settlement to Philadelphia police officer Roland Butler for injuries he suffered during a February 2016 bar fight. William Davis, Butler's attorney, confirmed to ESPN's John Barr on Tuesday that McCoy has paid his share of the settlement, which he was ordered to pay following a civil case, but former University of Pittsburgh running back Tamarcus Porter still owes his $55,000. I'm not intending to try to turn the subject on you, just to make the point that settling out of court or having a civil judgement against one is not the sure fire career killer for a pro football player that you seem to think it is. For a lower-tier player, it might be, but not for one of the top talents in the league, even one at the sunset of his career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm not sure where the "settles and doesn't clear his name then done" conclusion comes from. It's beyond the scope here to discuss public figures in general, but in Football many players have quietly settled with people bringing civil suits (which were then dropped) or have settled the suits themselves or even had judgement against them, and it barely stirs a ripple. Examples: McCoy settled lawsuit brought by his ex-mistress/fiancee/professional escort Delicia Cordon: https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/chiefs-mccoy-reaches-settlement-suit-filed-67500755 Went on to play for Tampa Bay and win another Superbowl ring last year, so much for "done" Civil suit brought against McCoy in bar fight with off-duty police officer resulted in settlement. McCoy paid, and went on to play for KC and Tampa and win 2 Superbowl rings: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2847863-lesean-mccoy-paid-55k-compensation-to-police-officer-injured-in-2016-bar-fight I'm not intending to try to turn the subject on you, just to make the point that settling out of court or having a civil judgement against one is not the sure fire career killer for a pro football player that you seem to think it is. For a lower-tier player, it might be, but not for one of the top talents in the league, even one at the sunset of his career. Times have changed and have changed fast. Welcome to The chaos that is 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: We also all know that allegations of sexual abuse from women are true more often than not. Taking it a step further, women often fail to report sexual harassment, abuse, and even rape. Rich, powerful people sometimes think that they can get away with this, and they are often correct. Anyone can click on any news site or open most newspapers and see excactly what I am talking about. That said, I believe in the American legal process. Every accused person is entitled to his or her day in court and full due process. Also, as Bill Kuntsler personally told me, every American citizen is entitled to the best legal defense they can possibly get. His words. This is why he took some cases pro bono. He defendeded some animalistic killers, but he represented his clients. That was his job. I don't declare Watson to be guilty. He might be innocent but I can't understand how or why one woud summarily dismiss the allegation of this woman because of "timing." I guess I have seen too many victims to do this HBF. Ah, OK, thanks for the very well worded and thoughtful explanation. I don't dismiss the allegations of the woman involved at all. I don't even know what they are (yet). I found the lawyer's Instagram post announcing the lawsuit to be full of self-aggrandizement and puffery (my personal opinion), and given that said lawyer is apparently a neighbor of Texans owner McNair and said to be a friend, I find the timing at the start of the league new year kind of suspicious. Of course, it could, in fact, be entirely coincidental or it could be taking the most rapid possible course. 🤷♂️ 1 minute ago, wppete said: Times have changed and have changed fast. Welcome to The chaos that is 2021. I don't think they've changed as much or as fast as social media soundbites would lead one to believe. So we may just have to "agree to disagree" on that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: Ah, OK, thanks for the very well worded and thoughtful explanation. I don't dismiss the allegations of the woman involved at all. I don't even know what they are (yet). I found the lawyer's Instagram post announcing the lawsuit to be full of self-aggrandizement and puffery (my personal opinion), and given that said lawyer is apparently a neighbor of Texans owner McNair and said to be a friend, I find the timing at the start of the league new year kind of suspicious. Of course, it could, in fact, be entirely coincidental or it could be taking the most rapid possible course. 🤷♂️ I’m happy to hear you are not dismissing the allegations made by the woman. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I found the lawyer's Instagram post announcing the lawsuit to be full of self-aggrandizement and puffery So did I, and I don't know why she chose this particular lawyer. I respect the hell out of US Marines but fail to see what this has to do with the woman's claim, and I doubt the judge will listen to this kind of talk in court. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 13 hours ago, whatdrought said: Oof.... my first instinct is to call bs. Watson has been nothing but a standup guy going back to Clemson - from everything I’ve ever seen. My second instinct is to say: who the hell would be surprised if the Texans (specifically Easterbe) was doing something to try and sully Watson’s name? With what we’ve heard that seems perfectly on brand. My third instinct is to say - dang. This’ll be interesting. really my third is my first. Me thinks this as well, timing is strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Are you this obtuse? I mean, I know you’re one of “those posters” but seriously - try to grasp the English language before using it for debate. In my original post I made three statements regarding the situation. The first was the fact that Watson has a clean reputation. This is based on public knowledge and isn’t up for debate. It’s true. It’s a fact. Nothing like this has ever happened before and everything you read about him says he’s a stand up guy. My take on Watson as a person has nothing to do with my other statement that I wouldn’t be shocked if this was some crazy thing made up by the team- the team that has been accused of having their players followed, which is completely unprecedented. What’s one more crazy entry. You’re acting like I claimed first hand knowledge of watson or the situation, while anyone with a 2nd grade reading comprehension level can tell from my original post that I clearly did not. again, don’t be stupid. Indeed. Sage advice from "one of those posters" who would conclude from what he has seen of Watson's history, that is far more likely that an NFL team has completely created a sexual assault lawsuit in order taint their recently re-signed franchise QB, than that QB has done a woman wrong. The Jets spied on their own players using cameras hidden in locker room smoke detectors. An NFL team spied on Winston during a flight from the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 3 hours ago, wppete said: WEO Bear? I don't get it.. what is a WEO Bear? Mr. WEO who is one of the resident Patriots fans. PatsfanNH is also in this thread. Anything remotely connected to the Pats awakens WEO from hibernation. His presence in this thread makes me think the Pats may be in on Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Indeed. Sage advice from "one of those posters" who would conclude from what he has seen of Watson's history, that is far more likely that an NFL team has completely created a sexual assault lawsuit in order taint their recently re-signed franchise QB, than that QB has done a woman wrong. The Jets spied on their own players using cameras hidden in locker room smoke detectors. An NFL team spied on Winston during a flight from the combine. You’re working so hard to argue I made a point that I didn’t make. You’re pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 15 hours ago, whatdrought said: Oof.... my first instinct is to call bs. Watson has been nothing but a standup guy going back to Clemson - from everything I’ve ever seen. My second instinct is to say: who the hell would be surprised if the Texans (specifically Easterbe) was doing something to try and sully Watson’s name? With what we’ve heard that seems perfectly on brand. My third instinct is to say - dang. This’ll be interesting. really my third is my first. First you posted the above. Then you shifted to: 14 hours ago, whatdrought said: The lawyer def. seems like an ambulance chasing, 15 minutes of fame sniffing dude. Doesn’t mean the accusation is false- it just means he and his “client” are definitely out for the very things they claim to not be out for - money and fame. Then you circled back to this: 7 hours ago, whatdrought said: I wouldn’t presume to think wise decision making is coming from that organization now. It doesn’t make any sense, unless they’re pissed, and trying to get revenge, or they’re trying to dry up the market so they can’t be forced to trade him. Probably unlikely, but this is the team that’s recently been accused of having their players followed, so who the heck knows. I see comprehension is still difficult for you. I’m not surprised. If you find the timing of this suit being filed as completely coincidental, I have a bridge for sale in your neck of the words you might be interested in. 6 hours ago, whatdrought said: Is “from what I’ve seen” a hard grouping of words to understand?... I thought I was being clear, but I guess not “Mr. WEO” clear. Forgive me. This team we’re talking about is the one that’s been accused of having their players followed and has made some of the stupidest decisions ever in the past several years. Is anything truly off the table? And some how conclude this: 12 minutes ago, whatdrought said: You’re working so hard to argue I made a point that I didn’t make. You’re pathetic. And as the predictable trashing of your post follows, you respond by calling multiple posters..... "idiots". You are a special gift to all of us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 30 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Mr. WEO who is one of the resident Patriots fans. PatsfanNH is also in this thread. Anything remotely connected to the Pats awakens WEO from hibernation. His presence in this thread makes me think the Pats may be in on Watson. I see what a sad person he must be cheering for the Pats. I pity him 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, wppete said: I see what a sad person he must be cheering for the Pats. I pity him 😂 I appear to be constitutionally unable to feel pity for a Pats**** fan for any matter related to the Pats**** or their fandom. It's a character flaw. I admit it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 OK, I'm sure I'll catch flack for it but the other thread just started has actual information So rather than bury said information 10 pages in, this one locks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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