The January 6th Commission To Investigate The Insurrection

[BillStime]

On 4/9/2021 at 6:50 PM, B-Man said:

 

The argument then, and the argument now, is that the threat was being deliberately inflated and exaggerated, and fears stoked and exploited, both for political gain and to justify the placement of more and more powers in the hands of the state in the name of stopping these threats.

 

That is the core formula of authoritarianism — to place the population in a state of such acute fear that it acquiesces to any assertion of power which security state agencies and politicians demand and which they insist are necessary to keep everyone safe.

 

 

Hey Bonnie - I know you’re obsessed with rewriting history - as if tho none of it was captured on tv all day on 1/6 - don’t you kinda agree with Liz?

 

 

 

[B-Man]

Does Steve Cohen Want to Start a War Over the Capitol Riot? 

 

“He compared a few people trespassing into the Capitol and stealing Nancy Pelosi’s rostrum to the 353 Japanese aircraft that damaged 8 U.S. battleships and sunk 4, killing 2,300 Americans and wounding 1,140.

 

To call Cohen’s comparison insane would be an insult to the mentally ill.”

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2021/04/12/does-steve-cohen-want-to-start-a-war-over-the-capitol-riot-n1439211

[BillStime]

9 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Does Steve Cohen Want to Start a War Over the Capitol Riot? 

 

“He compared a few people trespassing into the Capitol and stealing Nancy Pelosi’s rostrum to the 353 Japanese aircraft that damaged 8 U.S. battleships and sunk 4, killing 2,300 Americans and wounding 1,140.

 

To call Cohen’s comparison insane would be an insult to the mentally ill.”

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2021/04/12/does-steve-cohen-want-to-start-a-war-over-the-capitol-riot-n1439211

No different than you desperately trying to rewrite history. Like 9/11 - we will never forget. 

 

If a foreign country did what your friends did to our Capitol - how would you define it?

[JaCrispy]

On 4/10/2021 at 9:52 PM, BillStime said:

LOCK HIM UP

 

 

 

Lol...every politician could, theoretically, be charged with treason...

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

 

If a foreign country did what your friends did to our Capitol - how would you define it? 

 

The War of 1812.  

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

No different than you desperately trying to rewrite history. Like 9/11 - we will never forget. 

 

If a foreign country did what your friends did to our Capitol - how would you define it?

And if a foreign country did what happened all around the country in the summer of 2020, I’m sure you wouldn’t be calling it a “peaceful protest”...And I’m not saying what was done on January 6 was right- because it wasn’t...but those summer riots (which lasted MONTHS, not one day) were 10 times worse in my book...let’s try to have a little perspective, shall we?

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

The War of 1812.  

But they didn’t have selfies back then 😉 j/k

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

 

The War of 1812.  

the real question is if democrats did that to the capital what would it have been called? 

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

the real question is if democrats did that to the capital what would it have been called? 

 

Well set me up with a softball.

 

Of course it would be called "MOSTLY peaceful"

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Well set me up with a softball.

 

Of course it would be called "MOSTLY peaceful"

Correct.  We also would have accepted the ‘occupy capital movement’

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

And if a foreign country did what happened all around the country in the summer of 2020, I’m sure you wouldn’t be calling it a “peaceful protest”...And I’m not saying what was done on January 6 was right- because it wasn’t...but those summer riots (which lasted MONTHS, not one day) were 10 times worse in my book...let’s try to have a little perspective, shall we?

But they didn’t have selfies back then 😉 j/k

Did the protests last year interfere with a peaceful transition of power? Did the Leader of the Democratic Party invite these protesters? 

[JaCrispy]

25 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Did the protests last year interfere with a peaceful transition of power? Did the Leader of the Democratic Party invite these protesters? 

No and yes ...and the riots were certainly used to influence the election, as there were threats that they would continue if Trump was re-elected...

Edited April 12, 2021 by JaCrispy

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

the real question is if democrats did that to the capital what would it have been called? 

You don't have to wonder? When they took over the Wisconsin Capitol for days on end it was called yet another peaceful protest.

[BillStime]

I figured anything Josh Hawley related made sense in the insurrection thread...

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Sounds familiar...........

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Capitol Police Told to Hold Back on Riot Response on Jan. 6, Report Finds

New York Times, by Luke Broadwater

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/capitol-police-riot-report.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20210413&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=cta&regi_id=108256783&segment_id=55522&user_id=68ed15cee0a36f3326a30763880aebdb

 

The Capitol Police had clearer advance warnings about the Jan. 6 attack than were previously known, including the potential for violence in which “Congress itself is the target.” But officers were instructed by their leaders not to use their most aggressive tactics to hold off the mob, according to a scathing new report by the agency’s internal investigator. In a 104-page document, the inspector general, Michael A. Bolton, criticized the way the Capitol Police prepared for and responded to the mob violence on Jan. 6.

 

 

 

 

 

 

IG’s report will be the subject of a hearing tomorrow. President Trump offered something like 10,000 National Guards troops and that was rejected. NYT does not mention that offer/rejection.

[BillStime]

7 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Capitol Police Told to Hold Back on Riot Response on Jan. 6, Report Finds

New York Times, by Luke Broadwater

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/capitol-police-riot-report.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20210413&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=cta&regi_id=108256783&segment_id=55522&user_id=68ed15cee0a36f3326a30763880aebdb

 

The Capitol Police had clearer advance warnings about the Jan. 6 attack than were previously known, including the potential for violence in which “Congress itself is the target.” But officers were instructed by their leaders not to use their most aggressive tactics to hold off the mob, according to a scathing new report by the agency’s internal investigator. In a 104-page document, the inspector general, Michael A. Bolton, criticized the way the Capitol Police prepared for and responded to the mob violence on Jan. 6.

 

 

 

 

 

 

IG’s report will be the subject of a hearing tomorrow. President Trump offered something like 10,000 National Guards troops and that was rejected. NYT does not mention that offer/rejection.

 

We all know who the orders came from and who passed them on @B-Man

 

Good thing we were able to clear peaceful crowds forcefully for a bible photo op, right @B-Man?

 

 

[B-Man]

 

DOJ: No charges against unnamed officer who shot Ashli Babbitt inside U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6

 

 

 

 The investigation revealed no evidence to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that the officer willfully committed a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 242.  Specifically, the investigation revealed no evidence to establish that, at the time the officer fired a single shot at Ms. Babbitt, the officer did not reasonably believe that it was necessary to do so in self-defense or in defense of the Members of Congress and others evacuating the House Chamber.  Acknowledging the tragic loss of life and offering condolences to Ms. Babbitt’s family, the U.S. Attorney’s Office and U.S. Department of Justice have therefore closed the investigation into this matter.

 

Still unidentified also

 

 

I guess that we  can let the female officer in Minnesota go..............right ?

[wnyguy]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

DOJ: No charges against unnamed officer who shot Ashli Babbitt inside U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6

 

 

 

 

 

I guess that we  can let the female officer in Minnesota go..............right ?

Well we could if Ashli Babbit had the right skin complexion.

[B-Man]

Now, I have a some questions here.

Generally, in such cases of a police shooting, there’s a public inquest, with readily available information. But not in this case.

 

Here, we’re told she died from being shot in the shoulder. I’d like to know more about how that resulted in her death since being shot in the shoulder doesn’t normally result in death. Did she bleed to death? We don’t know.

 

Why did the officer believe he had to use deadly force against Babbitt when the police outside of the doors next to Babbitt did not?

 

We have a determination here that there was insufficient evidence to support a prosecution.

 

Why has none of the information regarding the matter actually been released to the public?

 

 

Even more than that, why has the officer’s name never been announced? This is unheard of in such a case, not to mention the general overall lack of transparency in the matter.

 

Apparently, the answer is that Capitol Police are a law unto themselves and the media doesn’t care enough to provide that information to you or try to get it.

 

One might try to make an argument that it could endanger the officer. But frankly, you can make that argument in any case and the public still does have a right to know. Especially in this kind of a case with such high visibility.

 

 

What their statement means is even if the officer acted out of fear, mistake, or misperception, if the DOJ doesn’t think he had a “bad purpose to disregard the law,” they’re not going to go ahead and charge him.

 

 

 

 

Translation: no charges and we’re never officially ever going to hear his name.