An end ... and a new beginning.

[SoTier]

11 hours ago, Big Gun said:

The election was stolen, it wouldnt have mattered if Trump had 100 million votes and Biden had 1 million votes. The Dems were going to make sure they did everything they could to have the election stolen, if you think other wise your dumb, ignorant and blind. 

 

You idiots got what you wanted and this turd of a POTUS has been a train wreck since day 1 and getting worse, yay!

 

                                                       
 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

BECAUSE IT’S ‘CONTROVERSIAL’ TO BUILD IN THE SAME STYLE AS WASHINGTON’S MOST BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS: 

 

President Biden Revokes Trump’s Controversial Classical Architecture Order.

 

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/25/971312635/president-biden-revokes-trumps-controversial-classical-architecture-order

[US Egg]

18 minutes ago, B-Man said:

BECAUSE IT’S ‘CONTROVERSIAL’ TO BUILD IN THE SAME STYLE AS WASHINGTON’S MOST BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS: 

 

President Biden Revokes Trump’s Controversial Classical Architecture Order.

Old Chinese & Russian architecture likely preferred by the new White House gang.

[B-Man]

TO BE FAIR, THE PAST MONTH DID SEEM LIKE FOUR YEARS: 

 

“Biden’s Presidency Seems Ready to End,” Michael Walsh writes:

 

https://www.theepochtimes.com/bidens-presidency-seems-ready-to-end_3716806.html?utm_source=partner&fbclid=IwAR1_CUbL5zMpBogCbsjVb-qDX3CJdWsAhkPeW4rSsbEKDqVJjhs9OGYVUYY

 

 

We’re now six weeks or so into the sham presidency of Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr., and already the end of the Biden era seems near.

 

A bumbling shell of a man, constantly attended by his wife, Jill, and with the lengthening shadow of his vice president, Kamala Harris, looming in the background, Biden seems incapable of doing anything except signing the slew of executive orders his handlers shove under his nose until at last, exhausted, his team “calls a lid” on his workday and packs him back off upstairs at the White House for a nice lie-down before noontime.

 

It would be funny if it weren’t so tragic—or perhaps it would be tragic if it weren’t so funny. No one has ever mistaken Biden for an intellectual; indeed he has long acted like the bully at the end of an Irish bar, full of bluster and braggadocio, without being able in the slightest to back up his boasts.

 

{snip}

 

“President Biden has joined the scores of people who turned to Mario Kart to stay entertained during the pandemic—at least for one game with his granddaughter. Naomi Biden posted on Snapchat this weekend that she and her grandfather played an arcade-style game round of Mario Kart at Camp David over the weekend—and that he won.”

Momentous news, indeed. Still, it could be worse, and probably will be as Biden fades and the Democrats ponder when to strike. But it won’t take much more for the Democrats to depose him—and get their first choice for president behind the Resolute Desk. And then we’re really in trouble.

 

 

Nonsense. Isn’t everyone ready for Kamalamania?!

 

https://spectator.us/topic/kamalamania-prepare-president-kamala-harris/

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

President Biden setting a new record for most days in office without a press conference, and it’s not even close

 

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/03/03/president-biden-setting-a-new-record-for-most-days-in-office-without-a-press-conference-and-its-not-even-close/

 

 

and NO, the "town Hall doesn't count. With pre-screened questions from an invitation-only audience, along with CNN’s Anderson Cooper to cover for any screw-ups.

 

That's not a live press conference.

 

 

 

However, like most Americans, I don't really see this as a bad thing. Having Joe Biden do a press conference would be a national threat to our security.

We are safer with his ineptitude safely hidden.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

9 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

President Biden setting a new record for most days in office without a press conference, and it’s not even close

 

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/03/03/president-biden-setting-a-new-record-for-most-days-in-office-without-a-press-conference-and-its-not-even-close/

 

 

and NO, the "town Hall doesn't count. With pre-screened questions from an invitation-only audience, along with CNN’s Anderson Cooper to cover for any screw-ups.

 

That's not a live press conference.

 

 

 

However, like most Americans, I don't really see this as a bad thing. Having Joe Biden do a press conference would be a national threat to our security.

We are safer with his ineptitude safely hidden.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Expanding on your conclusion, wouldn't you agree that having a President that is incapable of performing the most elementary duties of the office is a national security threat?  Which begs the question, if Biden s not calling the shots here, who is?  Actions like VP Harris taking meetings with other world leaders where custom and protocol require them to be handled by the President is a red flag.  Something is wrong.  We know it, our allies know it, and our enemies know it too. 

 

[Doc]

This is a surprise?  The guy, when he was slightly mentally clearer, hid in his basement for months during the throes of the pandemic.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Expanding on your conclusion, wouldn't you agree that having a President that is incapable of performing the most elementary duties of the office is a national security threat?  Which begs the question, if Biden s not calling the shots here, who is?  Actions like VP Harris taking meetings with other world leaders where custom and protocol require them to be handled by the President is a red flag.  Something is wrong.  We know it, our allies know it, and our enemies know it too. 

 

 
the flip side is I’d rather the one with their mental faculties intact doing it behind the scenes than the alternative. But I firmly believe people think that branch of govt has a lot more power than they actually do anyway.
 

All the agency appointees mater but are vetted pretty thoroughly by Congress and thus must have broader political allegiances. 
 

executive orders are often more for show than actually have teeth. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

43 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 
the flip side is I’d rather the one with their mental faculties intact doing it behind the scenes than the alternative. But I firmly believe people think that branch of govt has a lot more power than they actually do anyway.
 

All the agency appointees mater but are vetted pretty thoroughly by Congress and thus must have broader political allegiances. 
 

executive orders are often more for show than actually have teeth. 

I hear what you're sayin' but it doesn't send an assuring message to the international community knowing the President's health is potentially compromising his ability to perform his duties and presents an ambiguous and unknown chain of command.  Its a certainty that every intelligence service of every country we deal with friend or foe is aware of this situation.  Some may be alarmed while others might see opportunity for advantage or mischief.  

 

And for example if VP Harris was making key decisions and performing key duties I might feel a lot better than if the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon had commandeered policy decision making duties for Middle East policy.  Essentially the government is operating without a functional head of state.  This might ultimately fall under the 25th Amendment of the Constitution in some scenario fitting of the the 4 sections.  

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I hear what you're sayin' but it doesn't send an assuring message to the international community knowing the President's health is potentially compromising his ability to perform his duties and presents an ambiguous and unknown chain of command.  Its a certainty that every intelligence service of every country we deal with friend or foe is aware of this situation.  Some may be alarmed while others might see opportunity for advantage or mischief.  

 

And for example if VP Harris was making key decisions and performing key duties I might feel a lot better than if the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon had commandeered policy decision making duties for Middle East policy.  Essentially the government is operating without a functional head of state.  This might ultimately fall under the 25th Amendment of the Constitution in some scenario fitting of the the 4 sections.  

 

 

[B-Man]

4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Expanding on your conclusion, wouldn't you agree that having a President that is incapable of performing the most elementary duties of the office is a national security threat?  Which begs the question, if Biden s not calling the shots here, who is?  Actions like VP Harris taking meetings with other world leaders where custom and protocol require them to be handled by the President is a red flag.  Something is wrong.  We know it, our allies know it, and our enemies know it too. 

 

 

- Every presidential norm has been destroyed.

 

- We are unaware who runs our nation but anyone with a 3 digit IQ agree it’s not Biden

 

- There’s razor wire fencing and armed troops cutting us off from Congress

 

But a stolen election is considered a conspiracy theory.

 

 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

17 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

- Every presidential norm has been destroyed.

 

- We are unaware who runs our nation but anyone with a 3 digit IQ agree it’s not Biden

 

- There’s razor wire fencing and armed troops cutting us off from Congress

 

But a stolen election is considered a conspiracy theory.

 

 

 

 

if I were a conservative, a Republican, a moderate, or even just an individual that believes a representative democracy only works if there is a balance of power, what I’d really be worried about is HR1... any time you have a unilateral bill that changes the voting process, you can be sure it’s to enhance their own ability to win more elections and further the consolidation of federal power. 
 

Even some democrats felt it to be wrong to federalize aspects of voting. 
 

it’s going to be interesting how this plays out. I dislike both parties for differing reasons but when there is a balance at least they keep each other in check. 

 

[BillStime]

45 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

if I were a conservative, a Republican, a moderate, or even just an individual that believes a representative democracy only works if there is a balance of power, what I’d really be worried about is HR1... any time you have a unilateral bill that changes the voting process, you can be sure it’s to enhance their own ability to win more elections and further the consolidation of federal power. 
 

Even some democrats felt it to be wrong to federalize aspects of voting. 
 

it’s going to be interesting how this plays out. I dislike both parties for differing reasons but when there is a balance at least they keep each other in check. 

 

 

You don't mind that 45 red states have recently introduced 250+ bills to restrict voting access, right?]

[BillStime]

Voter suppression is the real voter fraud.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

16 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

You don't mind that 45 red states have recently introduced 250+ bills to restrict voting access, right?]

45? I do believe voting laws should be decentralized because the federal government is less representative of its constituents that the state government and so on down the line. That is the essence of a federal republic and representative democracy. 
 

I really do not understand why it’s so objectionable to democrats to suggest one identify themselves to have their vote tallied. Can you explain it? 
 

but on the same token, Republicans being so concerned about voter fraud infers they are too dumb to figure out how to commit voter fraud and ballot harvesting. 
 

it’s not hard, you just find a bunch of people and feed them lunch and bus them to a voting booth. Works best with homeless shelters and elderly homes. You can even fill it out for them and just have them sign it. 

11 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Voter suppression is the real voter fraud.

 

They are opposed I guess to the come vote for this guy and get a free lunch drives which I guess could be inferred as bribery. But again, I don’t know why the other party is too dumb to just do the same thing. 
 

But seriously who are these voters that don’t have IDs. I’d love to live life without needing one and carrying the stupid thing around all the time. 

Edited March 4, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[BillStime]

14 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

45? I do believe voting laws should be decentralized because the federal government is less representative of its constituents that the state government and so on down the line. That is the essence of a federal republic and representative democracy. 
 

I really do not understand why it’s so objectionable to democrats to suggest one identify themselves to have their vote tallied. Can you explain it? 
 

but on the same token, Republicans being so concerned about voter fraud infers they are too dumb to figure out how to commit voter fraud and ballot harvesting. 
 

it’s not hard, you just find a bunch of people and feed them lunch and bus them to a voting booth. Works best with homeless shelters and elderly homes. You can even fill it out for them and just have them sign it. 

 

Typo with the 45 - sorry about that.

 

I'm not against voter id laws but I do think election laws need to be standardized. The whole process is a joke and needs to be cleaned up; including gerrymandering that benefits both sides. 

 

It's quite clear the GOP has an issue with attrition - they haven't won the popular vote in a presidential since GWB in 2004.  More and more people are fleeing the GOP so the response in red states are to limit how people can vote.

 

Republicans admit the real reason for election 'reforms' - they help Republicans win

"An attorney representing the Arizona GOP finally admitted to the Supreme Court why it wants ballot rules on the books: It's about winning."

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Typo with the 45 - sorry about that.

 

I'm not against voter id laws but I do think election laws need to be standardized. The whole process is a joke and needs to be cleaned up; including gerrymandering that benefits both sides. 

 

It's quite clear the GOP has an issue with attrition - they haven't won the popular vote in a presidential since GWB in 2004.  More and more people are fleeing the GOP so the response in red states are to limit how people can vote.

Seems like a fair take.

 

I attempted to read HR1.  The two things I really didn’t like was (1) a federal campaign fund match, but that matches individual donations 6 times with federal dollars (2)exposing individuals by name and contact info in a federal database for whom you donate to for all to know see and potentially influence, intimidate etc. 

 

there’s also an item about a path to DC statehood, allowing convicted felons to vote and this policy that if you appear in any state program or database you are registered to vote automatically unless you opt out.  On its face it’s convenient. The opposition would say this may result in non-citizens being registered. It does oddly mandate paper ballots as well. And restructuring the bipartisan federal election committee. These topics I’ve not completely thought through yet. 

 

As for the fraud stuff, while I think every citizen should be able to vote, if that’s being willfully abused by just one party, it just means the other party is dumb not to do the same. Republicans Shouting from their high horse about fraud need to get dirty and let’s face it, mobilize turn out and votes from the apathetic, which is what all these ID and suppression ideas are really all about. Democrats put in the work to get these votes and do a much better job. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

17 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Typo with the 45 - sorry about that.

 

I'm not against voter id laws but I do think election laws need to be standardized. The whole process is a joke and needs to be cleaned up; including gerrymandering that benefits both sides. 

 

It's quite clear the GOP has an issue with attrition - they haven't won the popular vote in a presidential since GWB in 2004.  More and more people are fleeing the GOP so the response in red states are to limit how people can vote.

 

Republicans admit the real reason for election 'reforms' - they help Republicans win

"An attorney representing the Arizona GOP finally admitted to the Supreme Court why it wants ballot rules on the books: It's about winning."

A fundamental requirement for any "election reform" might be to remove political parties and their interests from the discussion.  The common interest should focus on the benefits to the voters.  The way it works now is like a competitive sporting  event between two teams where the game is officiated by the manager of one of the teams.  You can't help but think there's going to be some funny business at work here.

 

Sadly, the entire process might boil down to an exercise in common sense where you could pick a handful of posters on the board here willing to work together in cooperation and they could come up with a sensible and valid approach to the electoral process that ensures its fair and accurate for everybody.  But politics and common sense aren't often spoken or written in the same sentence.

[BillStime]

Just now, All_Pro_Bills said:

A fundamental requirement for any "election reform" might be to remove political parties and their interests from the discussion.  The common interest should focus on the benefits to the voters.  The way it works now is like a competitive sporting  event between two teams where the game is officiated by the manager of one of the teams.  You can't help but think there's going to be some funny business at work here.

 

Sadly, the entire process might boil down to an exercise in common sense where you could pick a handful of posters on the board here willing to work together in cooperation and they could come up with a sensible and valid approach to the electoral process that ensures its fair and accurate for everybody.  But politics and common sense aren't often spoken or written in the same sentence.

 

The TWO party system is destroying this country.

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

 

The TWO party system is destroying this country.

We agree there. It’s high time we eliminate the New Communist Party. 

[Backintheday544]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

45? I do believe voting laws should be decentralized because the federal government is less representative of its constituents that the state government and so on down the line. That is the essence of a federal republic and representative democracy. 
 

I really do not understand why it’s so objectionable to democrats to suggest one identify themselves to have their vote tallied. Can you explain it? 
 

but on the same token, Republicans being so concerned about voter fraud infers they are too dumb to figure out how to commit voter fraud and ballot harvesting. 
 

it’s not hard, you just find a bunch of people and feed them lunch and bus them to a voting booth. Works best with homeless shelters and elderly homes. You can even fill it out for them and just have them sign it. 

They are opposed I guess to the come vote for this guy and get a free lunch drives which I guess could be inferred as bribery. But again, I don’t know why the other party is too dumb to just do the same thing. 
 

But seriously who are these voters that don’t have IDs. I’d love to live life without needing one and carrying the stupid thing around all the time. 

Reasons against voter ID cause:

1. 11 percent of Americans don’t have an ID. It seems odd to a lot of people but living in a city where you have public transportation and you don’t drink, no reason to have an ID. If you’re a senior citizen who can’t drive, no reason to have an ID.

2. The cost is a poll tax. Even if offered for free, people have costs of getting their birth certificates and probably would need to take time off of work to get it.

3. The ID laws enacted so far have been to target minorities. Republicans like them because they disproportionately harm minorities. Per ACLU 25 percent of African Americans do not have an ID compared to 8 percent of whites.

4. Republicans enacting the ID laws do so in ways that favor themselves. For example, in Texas they made gun IDs as valid ID but not college IDs.

5. the cost implementing voter ID is huge compared to the barely any voter impersonations that would be solved with voter ID.

[ALF]

15 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

We agree there. It’s high time we eliminate the New Communist Party. 

 

Should eliminate the New Nazi Party also

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

Should eliminate the New Nazi Party also

I believe that's still the same one.  Pick another one, please.

7 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

Reasons against voter ID cause:

1. 11 percent of Americans don’t have an ID. It seems odd to a lot of people but living in a city where you have public transportation and you don’t drink, no reason to have an ID. If you’re a senior citizen who can’t drive, no reason to have an ID.

2. The cost is a poll tax. Even if offered for free, people have costs of getting their birth certificates and probably would need to take time off of work to get it.

3. The ID laws enacted so far have been to target minorities. Republicans like them because they disproportionately harm minorities. Per ACLU 25 percent of African Americans do not have an ID compared to 8 percent of whites.

4. Republicans enacting the ID laws do so in ways that favor themselves. For example, in Texas they made gun IDs as valid ID but not college IDs.

5. the cost implementing voter ID is huge compared to the barely any voter impersonations that would be solved with voter ID.

No offense but that has to the be the weakest set of arguments against something so critical that I've ever read.  Your #1 reason for not having an ID is because people don't have an ID?  Really? 

[Backintheday544]

12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I believe that's still the same one.  Pick another one, please.

No offense but that has to the be the weakest set of arguments against something so critical that I've ever read.  Your #1 reason for not having an ID is because people don't have an ID?  Really? 

critical? From 2000 to 2014, there was 31 cases of voter impersonation in the US (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/13/the-disconnect-between-voter-id-laws-and-voter-fraud/)

 

How is stopping 31 cases out of billions of ballots critical?

 

Indiana ran a program to get everyone free IDs and cost $10,000,000. That $10 million stopped probably 1 person?

 

let’s not forget Dems are the hard workers they can’t just take off their jobs to get IDs like Republicans can to storm the US capitol 

Edited March 4, 2021 by Backintheday544

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Backintheday544 said:

critical? From 2000 to 2014, there was 31 cases of voter impersonation in the US (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/13/the-disconnect-between-voter-id-laws-and-voter-fraud/)

 

How is stopping 31 cases out of billions of ballots critical?

 

Indiana ran a program to get everyone free IDs and cost $10,000,000. That $10 million stopped probably 1 person?

If you don't think there either is or will be massive fraud with mail-in, remote, or electronic voting you are living in a fantasyland. 

[Doc]

14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I believe that's still the same one.  Pick another one, please.

No offense but that has to the be the weakest set of arguments against something so critical that I've ever read.  Your #1 reason for not having an ID is because people don't have an ID?  Really? 

 

Not only that, but people who work but somehow got the job without ID...will have to take time off from work.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Not only that, but people who work but somehow got the job without ID...will have to take time off from work.

And not only that, but apparently a law that requires everyone to have something is somehow unfair to people who happen to be in a minority.  Not sure why that would be exactly.  Will the same be true for national health care?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said:

let’s not forget Dems are the hard workers they can’t just take off their jobs

This is such a dumb comment. Farmers tend to not be democrats and are the hardest working people on the planet. 
 

Go ahead and explain what sort of jobs those democrats got without an ID. You need a SSC and ID for just about any legal job in the country. 
 

People don’t want to admit it, but this is the game... go to homeless shelters and offer food or money cigarettes or booze to get them to vote and often they have pre-populated  ballets they just ask them to sign. This is a population which tends not to have ID and will favor the party of welfare, universal healthcare and social safety net of course.  Sure they have a right to vote assuming they are citizens, but that’s what this ID topic is about and everyone on both sides knows it. 

Edited March 4, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Backintheday544]

28 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

This is such a dumb comment. Farmers tend to not be democrats and are the hardest working people on the planet. 
 

Go ahead and explain what sort of jobs those democrats got without an ID. You need a SSC and ID for just about any legal job in the country. 
 

People don’t want to admit it, but this is the game... go to homeless shelters and offer food or money cigarettes or booze to get them to vote and often they have pre-populated  ballets they just ask them to sign. This is a population which tends not to have ID and will favor the party of welfare, universal healthcare and social safety net of course.  Sure they have a right to vote assuming they are citizens, but that’s what this ID topic is about and everyone on both sides knows it. 

so you’re basically admitting you want voter ID laws so legal voters can’t vote? 
 

if you want a law where you can’t trade booze for a ballot or can’t have pre-filled in ballots then have that and enforce that.

 

You’re saying yes, there’s legal Americans at homeless shelters who don’t have IDs. We should have an ID law them so they can’t vote.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

17 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

so you’re basically admitting you want voter ID laws so legal voters can’t vote? 
 

if you want a law where you can’t trade booze for a ballot or can’t have pre-filled in ballots then have that and enforce that.

 

You’re saying yes, there’s legal Americans at homeless shelters who don’t have IDs. We should have an ID law them so they can’t vote.

no I’m saying that’s why the ID issue is so important to both parties. Democrats are all about getting the apathetic that probably wouldn’t vote if it took any effort at all to the polls. And vagrants and homeless people probably vote for the party of handouts. 
 

Republicans want to add more friction so it’s not as easy for the apathetic to vote, because everyone should be able to admit, they are seen as not the party of handouts.

 

I’d  personally rather people are helped to get IDs as it’s a useful component of a responsible life and then require ids. This could be the answer if the left actually cared about these people, but it’s all a power mongering facade. Just as the FRAUD risk cry is for Rs. 

Edited March 4, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[SoCal Deek]

People!  Once you have a verifiable Voter ID system in place then you don't need to take time off from work.  I assume you don't work 24 hours a day!  You can vote from home, or whenever a voting window is available to you. But, you can only vote once.  And, you can only vote if you're a verifiable US Citizen.  The rest takes care of itself.

[Doc]

39 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

People!  Once you have a verifiable Voter ID system in place then you don't need to take time off from work.  I assume you don't work 24 hours a day!  You can vote from home, or whenever a voting window is available to you. But, you can only vote once.  And, you can only vote if you're a verifiable US Citizen.  The rest takes care of itself.

 

No one who is a legal US citizen and works has no ID.

[Scraps]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

If you don't think there either is or will be massive fraud with mail-in, remote, or electronic voting you are living in a fantasyland. 

Why do you think mail-in balloting can't be secure?  There are 5 states that do most of there voting by mail, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington.  Are the results for those states all fraudulent?

[Backintheday544]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

no I’m saying that’s why the ID issue is so important to both parties. Democrats are all about getting the apathetic that probably wouldn’t vote if it took any effort at all to the polls. And vagrants and homeless people probably vote for the party of handouts. 
 

Republicans want to add more friction so it’s not as easy for the apathetic to vote, because everyone should be able to admit, they are seen as not the party of handouts.

 

I’d  personally rather people are helped to get IDs as it’s a useful component of a responsible life and then require ids. This could be the answer if the left actually cared about these people, but it’s all a power mongering facade. Just as the FRAUD risk cry is for Rs. 

Democrats are pro-Social safety net. Republicans are against that.

 

People who are homeless and not well off would see appeal to a party that supports a social safety net vs a party that wants to cut things like food stamps in favor of tax cuts of wealthy individuals.

 

So if they vote for their own best interest, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. They’re just as American as you and have a single vote just as you do.

 

Republicans “adding friction” is known as disenfranchisement. The greatest responsibility an American has is to vote. Our laws should make that as easy as possible for every American.

 

The disenfranchisement Republicans have done also targets a political party. For example allowing gun IDs to vote but not student IDs in Texas or allowing military IDs but not VA IDs in Wisconsin.

 

If Republicans were serious about voter ID laws they wouldn’t do things that favor one party over the other. 
 

Imagine the outrage is in Kansas democrats passed a law that said you could only vote Sunday’s from 8-10 (or whenever church time was). That law would make friction on Republican voters and should be equally as illegal as any other law that’s sole purpose is to make it harder for a group of people to vote.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

Democrats are pro-Social safety net. Republicans are against that.

 

People who are homeless and not well off would see appeal to a party that supports a social safety net vs a party that wants to cut things like food stamps in favor of tax cuts of wealthy individuals.

 

So if they vote for their own best interest, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. They’re just as American as you and have a single vote just as you do.

 

Republicans “adding friction” is known as disenfranchisement. The greatest responsibility an American has is to vote. Our laws should make that as easy as possible for every American.

 

The disenfranchisement Republicans have done also targets a political party. For example allowing gun IDs to vote but not student IDs in Texas or allowing military IDs but not VA IDs in Wisconsin.

 

If Republicans were serious about voter ID laws they wouldn’t do things that favor one party over the other. 
 

Imagine the outrage is in Kansas democrats passed a law that said you could only vote Sunday’s from 8-10 (or whenever church time was). That law would make friction on Republican voters and should be equally as illegal as any other law that’s sole purpose is to make it harder for a group of people to vote.

On your last paragraph, they would if they could. Let’s be clear, dems know the no ID crowd votes for them. If the no ID crowd voted the other way, they’d be on opposite sides of this issue.

 

but I can’t argue your points about Rs, but you’re a fool to thing you’re Ds aren’t just as corrupt and self serving. 

Edited March 5, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[SoCal Deek]

13 hours ago, Scraps said:

Why do you think mail-in balloting can't be secure?  There are 5 states that do most of there voting by mail, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington.  Are the results for those states all fraudulent?

Mail in balloting can indeed be secure but only if we beef up our Voter ID requirement. I simply cannot understand why having identification, which is really just verified registration, is such a big deal to the opposition. You have to have a password to buy a lousy pair of underwear on line! It’s the 21st Century. None of this is either hard to do or cumbersome for anyone. 

[Scraps]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Mail in balloting can indeed be secure but only if we beef up our Voter ID requirement. I simply cannot understand why having identification, which is really just verified registration, is such a big deal to the opposition. You have to have a password to buy a lousy pair of underwear on line! It’s the 21st Century. None of this is either hard to do or cumbersome for anyone. 

I'm not sure I understand the voter ID issue when it comes to mail in voting.  Why isn't signature verification enough to satisfy the voter ID aspect?

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Scraps said:

I'm not sure I understand the voter ID issue when it comes to mail in voting.  Why isn't signature verification enough to satisfy the voter ID aspect?

Simple, you would have a number, just like you do for virtually everything you do remotely these days. That would be far better than a signature, and easier for the software to check at the other end to see that that number hadn’t already voted. Again, no big boogie man here. All of this is normal. Heck I can’t even buy gas without typing in a PIN at the pump.

[SoTier]

On 2/26/2021 at 11:16 AM, B-Man said:

 

BECAUSE IT’S ‘CONTROVERSIAL’ TO BUILD IN THE SAME STYLE AS WASHINGTON’S MOST BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS: 

 

President Biden Revokes Trump’s Controversial Classical Architecture Order.

 

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/25/971312635/president-biden-revokes-trumps-controversial-classical-architecture-order

 

We live in the 21st century.   Good design didn't end in 1970, and most Americans likely consider the "dogs playing poker" prints good "art".  American civic architecture should be open to new design ideas just as it has always been.  Keep in mind that at one time what we consider  "classical and traditional" styles of architecture were "modern".  Buffalo's City Hall is a marvelous Art Deco style building.  In the 1930s when it was built, it was considered "modern" compared to Gothic Revival and Federal style that were popular in civic architecture decades earlier.  Today, Art Deco style is considered more than worth preserving.

 

Keep finding things to whine about.