Chef Jim Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: The article points out the Facebook’s policy in similar situations is to allow the posting of the link but not boost it through algorithms until it’s vetted. That seems way better than Twitter’s nuking policy. Who is doing FB vetting and what is their policy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: If you want to say companies can have their own TOS and remove things that violate them...that's fine. But the moment you have these same companies removing content at the specific request of the government and/or government agencies then thats clearly not ok. It's a clear first ammendment violation. It's quite fascist to be honest. The guy that @ChiGoose linked to had so much hand waving gobbledygook it puts chigoose himself to shame. Well then it’s a good thing that Taibbi stated that the government didn’t request the items to be taken down! Also, what your call gobbledygook is what most people call facts and logic. But I’m not surprised you had difficulty parsing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted December 7, 2022 Author Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) GG is absolutely 💯 correct here. You're an absolute moron if you believe the liberal activist hive mind trying to twist the meaning of Taibbis tweet. Edited December 11, 2022 by BillsFanNC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 50 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Even if not that's not the major issue here is it? The government getting involved would be a major issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Who is doing FB vetting and what is their policy? According to TechDirt, Facebook’s policy when something is flagged as a potential misinfo op is to allow it to be shared but not to boost it through the algorithm until Facebook’s internal fact checkers had reviewed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: According to TechDirt, Facebook’s policy when something is flagged as a potential misinfo op is to allow it to be shared but not to boost it through the algorithm until Facebook’s internal fact checkers had reviewed it. Dance puppet dance. Who are these internal fact checkers and what is their process? And what is the process of the initial flagging of the post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Dance puppet dance. Who are these internal fact checkers and what is their process? And what is the process of the initial flagging of the post? Dunno I don’t work at Facebook. What are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Dunno I don’t work at Facebook. What are they? No clue. So when you said it’s way better than Twitter you were speaking out your ass. Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: No clue. So when you said it’s way better than Twitter you were speaking out your ass. Thanks. No, I was saying that allowing the posting of links while they are being vetted is better than completely nuking the links. But you knew that, you’re just being a troll. That, or you can’t read. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: No, I was saying that allowing the posting of links while they are being vetted is better than completely nuking the links. But you knew that, you’re just being a troll. That, or you can’t read. Thanks. And FB could end up nuking it in the end anyway correct? One man's debate is another trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Facebook has the intelligence capabilities to ‘vet’ posts in real time? How exactly? Are we’re to believe that these t-shirt wearing liberal millennials are running their own intelligence operations? And our government’s okay with that? Come on people! Has everyone lost their minds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Facebook has the intelligence capabilities to ‘vet’ posts in real time? How exactly? Are we’re to believe that these t-shirt wearing liberal millennials are running their own intelligence operations? And our government’s okay with that? Come on people! Has everyone lost their minds? This Calvin and Hobbes cartoon got a flagged by FB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: And FB could end up nuking it in the end anyway correct? One man's debate is another trolling. There is no fool-proof form of content moderation. Every system is going to have flaws. I said I think it’s better not to delete or block things while they are being vetted. You decided to be a troll about it. That’s not a debate, it’s just performative assholery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted December 7, 2022 Author Share Posted December 7, 2022 More dem fascist meltdowns incoming.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: There is no fool-proof form of content moderation. Every system is going to have flaws. I said I think it’s better not to delete or block things while they are being vetted. You decided to be a troll about it. That’s not a debate, it’s just performative assholery. One person’s vetting is another person’s election interference….but hey, you’ve got to do some pretty intense vetting if you’re going to fundamentally transform a country. Or so I’m told. Edited December 7, 2022 by SoCal Deek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted December 7, 2022 Author Share Posted December 7, 2022 Yet another example of leftists redefining language. Content moderation is censorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 24 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: There is no fool-proof form of content moderation. Every system is going to have flaws. I said I think it’s better not to delete or block things while they are being vetted. You decided to be a troll about it. That’s not a debate, it’s just performative assholery. See you don't understand how debate works. Let me explain. 1. You made a point 2. I challenged that point for further clarification by asking questions. Allowing you to either solidify your point or give me the opportunity to poke holes in it. 3. You clarified your point and you were right in how you clarified it. FB's process is better but not necessarily "way" better but that is semantics 4. You then began to call me a troll and an #######. 5. Good job. 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, BillsFanNC said: Yet another example of leftists redefining language. Content moderation is censorship. Hey you’ve got to do a little ‘content moderation’ if you’re going to fundamentally transform a country. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted December 7, 2022 Author Share Posted December 7, 2022 Remember as well that Twitter not only suspended the NY Post account and not only banned users from sharing the story with their followers, they also banned sharing the story in private messages on the platform. At the behest of the government. Curious how there was never any urgency or danger that caused Twitter "fact checkers" or "content moderators " to ever suppress the slew of false reporting in the latest get Trump efforts. Hmmmmm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: See you don't understand how debate works. Let me explain. 1. You made a point 2. I challenged that point for further clarification by asking questions. Allowing you to either solidify your point or give me the opportunity to poke holes in it. 3. You clarified your point and you were right in how you clarified it. FB's process is better but not necessarily "way" better but that is semantics 4. You then began to call me a troll and an #######. 5. Good job. 🙄 My point was that nuking a story is worse than allowing it but not amplifying it. I made no claims about the quality of the fact checking itself as it was irrelevant to the point I was making. You did the whole “just asking questions” cowardly BS about the vetting instead of just expressing your own position, and then pretended it was a good faith debate instead of just the childish exercise in trolling that it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: My point was that nuking a story is worse than allowing it but not amplifying it. I made no claims about the quality of the fact checking itself as it was irrelevant to the point I was making. You did the whole “just asking questions” cowardly BS about the vetting instead of just expressing your own position, and then pretended it was a good faith debate instead of just the childish exercise in trolling that it was. Guess what! You're point was correct. And you know how I came to that conclusion? By asking you questions to better clarify it. You won the debate but lost in points because you resorted to and continue with name calling. Good job Gooseman. 🙄 I guess with all the idiots here slinging mud you don't recognize an adult "argument" when you see one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted December 8, 2022 Author Share Posted December 8, 2022 Media and their leftist allies: The government doesn't work with social media platforms to flag posts as disinformation. It's private companies following their own rules. And here we have Jenn Psaki admitting that they work directly with social media companies to censor content they dont like. Right from the press secretary podium at the friggin White House. I'd say that its unbelievable. But I can't. Because it's not. cOnTeNT moDeRaTiOn.... Do you leftist commie ***** sticks ever tire of making complete jackasses out of yourselves? No you dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsFanNC Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 Twitter Files 2.0 Oh...the Great Barrington declaration crew from Stanford, Harvard, Oxford were blacklisted? You don't say? You know they turned out to be absolutely correct, right? But DIsInForMaTiOn!!! Or Dan Bongino? I'm shocked! Twitter repeatedly lied and said that they didn't engage in such practices. Again. Shocking! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) Eric Weinstein made a great point in Twitter Spaces that this isn’t right vs left, even though the totalitarianism primarily resided from those on the left, they would censor & suppress progressives that didn’t toe the liberal company line. These people have told you how to think about covid policy, Ukraine etc.., If you’ve been able to question the narrative and think for yourself, I salute you .. Media & Tech have been engaged in literal mind control by determining what you consume and how it is filtered to you. Edited December 9, 2022 by SCBills 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 Cue operation destroy Bari Weiss now. Another liberal journalist who refuses to live in the hive mind. Taibbi will have v3.0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TSOL Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 I've said it numerous times before and I'll say it again. Don't believe anything you see on your phone. It's all fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 This is such a monumental moment in time- to be experiencing this exposure of the inner workings of the government in collusion with Big Tech…We all kind of knew this was going on, but it still blows my mind to finally get proof of it…👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Just now, JaCrispy said: This is such a monumental moment in time- to be experiencing this exposure of the inner workings of the government in collusion with Big Tech…We all kind of knew this was going on, but it still blows my mind to finally get proof of it…👍 I mean, you’re not seeing that. You’re just seeing a company trying to figure out content moderation and making mistakes. But the fever swamps will see what they want to see because the only reason they aren’t recognized for their obvious greatness must be because powerful forces are working against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I mean, you’re not seeing that. You’re just seeing a company trying to figure out content moderation and making mistakes. But the fever swamps will see what they want to see because the only reason they aren’t recognized for their obvious greatness must be because powerful forces are working against them. I disagree…Twitter wasn’t trying to figure anything out- they knew EXACTLY what they were doing, and the voices they wanted to silence… ChiGoose, if there is one thing you take away from all this, remember this- Twitter was censoring the TRUTH and allowing propaganda to be promoted…Whether info on Covid, the Biden laptop, Russia Collusion…it’s borderline criminal what they have done to this country, and it contributed to the divide…It’s not right… If you wouldn’t want Trump doing it, you shouldn’t want Democrats doing it either…👍 Edited December 9, 2022 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I disagree…Twitter wasn’t trying to figure anything out- they knew EXACTLY what they were doing, and the voices they wanted to silence… ChiGoose, if there is one thing you take away from all this, remember this- Twitter was censoring the TRUTH and allowing propaganda to be promoted…Whether info on Covid, the Biden laptop, Russia Collusion…it’s borderline criminal what they have done to this country, and it contributed to the divide…It’s not right… If you wouldn’t want Trump doing it, you shouldn’t want Democrats doing it either…👍 My takeaway is that most of the people on this thread have terminal online brain, don’t understand how things work, and eagerly jump on anything that makes them feel good or smart. I don’t want to defend Twitter. Twitter has problems, all social media sites do, but I’m hardly convinced by people being outraged that a political campaign (not the government) flagged non-consensual sexual content for review. Content moderation is hard and everybody is going to screw it up, no matter how hard they try not to. But maybe the reason that conservatives tend to face moderation more is simply because they’re just lying more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) A 4th Branch of government - permanent surveillance state - all the things Libs used to fake care about until they realized they could use the private sector to do it and do it for political gain. The allies of the DNC hate this country. It’s not difficult to understand what’s happened at all. And here we are. In free fall. It’s probably already over: “Barack Obama and Eric Holder did not create a weaponized DOJ and FBI; the institutions were already weaponized by the Patriot Act. What Obama and Holder did was take the preexisting system and retool it, so the weapons of government only targeted one side of the political continuum.” https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/12/03/a-baseline-understanding-mostly-missing-behind-the-twitter-discussion-govt-influence-over-social-media-influence-and-the-surveillance-state/ Edited December 9, 2022 by Big Blitz 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: My takeaway is that most of the people on this thread have terminal online brain, don’t understand how things work, and eagerly jump on anything that makes them feel good or smart. I don’t want to defend Twitter. Twitter has problems, all social media sites do, but I’m hardly convinced by people being outraged that a political campaign (not the government) flagged non-consensual sexual content for review. Content moderation is hard and everybody is going to screw it up, no matter how hard they try not to. But maybe the reason that conservatives tend to face moderation more is simply because they’re just lying more. I think it’s pretty naive to think this is just about a political campaign in 2020… I think it started when Trump shocked the Establishment in 2016, (The Dems and MSM decided they couldn’t let that happen again) and continued right up until Elon made his purchase in 2022 (Time Magazine even published an article, after the election, about the conspiracy that they participated in with government, other media, and industry to take Trump down). So we kind of had an idea about it… And everyone from the White House, to Intelligence Agencies, to the CDC and Dr. Fauci, all had their hand in the “cookie jar” well after the campaigns of 2020…What do you think all the fake “fact checking” was for? It’s political opinion to censor info that disagrees with the Establishment narrative…👍 Edited December 9, 2022 by JaCrispy 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: I mean, you’re not seeing that. You’re just seeing a company trying to figure out content moderation and making mistakes. Classic. It's just mistakes man! Funny how these mistakes always seem to impact one side of the aisle. 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: But the fever swamps will see what they want to see because the only reason they aren’t recognized for their obvious greatness must be because powerful forces are working against them. Mistakes! Edited December 9, 2022 by BillsFanNC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Twitter would never let popular conservative accounts trend But yep. January 6!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 Let's recap chigoose's takes when the left is caught in obvious malfeasance... FISA warrant abuse. Mistakes! Capitol police opening doors and letting people into the Capitol on J6. Mistakes! The media brute censoring the Hunter laptop story. Mistakes! Twitter obviously censoring voices on the right. Mistakes! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 January 6!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 34 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I think it’s pretty naive to think this is just about a political campaign in 2020… I think it started when Trump shocked the Establishment in 2016, (The Dems and MSM decided they couldn’t let that happen again) and continued right up until Elon made his purchase in 2022 (Time Magazine even published an article, after the election, about the conspiracy that they participated in with government, other media, and industry to take Trump down). So we kind of had an idea about it… And everyone from the White House, to Intelligence Agencies, to the CDC and Dr. Fauci, all had their hand in the “cookie jar” well after the campaigns of 2020…What do you think all the fake “fact checking” was for? It’s political opinion to censor info that disagrees with the Establishment narrative…👍 This requires a considerable amount of cooperation, strategic planning, and competence from the left that I’ve yet to see actually exist. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 Yes Elon. Don't hold back on these a holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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