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Are we better off now than we were four years ago?


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12 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

It didn’t.  And instead of using the proper name, you choose to demonize a certain group and culture.  

 

No, just a regime.  No one has blamed the Chinese citizens at anytime or anywhere.

 

8 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

If it came from Moscow, it wouldn't be racist. It would be collusion...a virus invented for Trump by his commie bed partners.

 

Yup.

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15 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

No, just a regime.  No one has blamed the Chinese citizens at anytime or anywhere.

 

 

Yup.

 

If you’re “regime” point had water you’d call it something with “Beijing” in the name.  But you didn’t.   

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1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

Lots of interesting takes here.  Most either misread the question or ignored the “we” therein.  The question isn’t whether you (as an individual) are better off now than you were four years ago.  It’s whether we, as a nation and a people, are so better off.  My answer has been registered: it is patently obvious that we are not better off. 

So, say what you want or be deemed obtuse.

 

Yeah, you're objective and unbiased.

 

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5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Obama left the country in good shape. Trump is trying to ruin it like he ruins everything. 

No he didn't, it was the worse recovery of a recession ever, the military was in disarray, little border security, and allies taking advantage of him and the country

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2 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

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What else can you do when you are losing, lol. 

Just now, bilzfancy said:

No he didn't, it was the worse recovery of a recession ever, the military was in disarray, little border security, and allies taking advantage of him and the country

We were Great back then. 

 

Make America Great Again! Dump Trump! and Flush, please :) 

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33 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

If you’re “regime” point had water you’d call it something with “Beijing” in the name.  But you didn’t.   

 

Well that's the problem with inferring racism.  It begs the question: who is the real racist?

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7 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Notice the word “we.”  I say no.  Obviously no.  Too many unnecessary, avoidable deaths.  Too much insecurity.  Too much economic malaise in the middle and lower classes.  Not enough federal leadership.  What say you?

 

*And I acknowledge that if the word “you” was used instead of “we,” the answer might be different for some.  If you have the money to be in the market and you know what you’re doing, you very well may be better off now.  But that’s only a fraction of Americans, and we are all in this together. So, the question remains, are “we” better off now than we were four years ago?

Sure as hell isnt because of Trump. The leftest babies still cant acknowledge Hillary lost and this is how they act out. Bravo, losers!

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3 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Lots of interesting takes here.  Most either misread the question or ignored the “we” therein.  The question isn’t whether you (as an individual) are better off now than you were four years ago.  It’s whether we, as a nation and a people, are so better off.  My answer has been registered: it is patently obvious that we are not better off. 

 

 

On budgets, deficit, entitlement funding, worse.

Taxes lower for businesses and individuals, reduced regulations, better.

Historically low interest rates, good for investment and home buying and funding debt, better.

Some economic incentives for low income urban areas and some relief in criminal justice system, better.

Stock market, better.

Health insurance regulations not significantly improved, not better, same

Illegal immigration, border crossing down after rising in recent years, wall being constructed, no help from dems on tightening laws and giving dreamers permanent status, not much better.

Foreign policy, troops in ME reduced, NATO shored up, trade deals improving, exposed china in some areas, recent peace agreement with Israel gives some additional hope for more peace, better.
Hundreds of federal judges appointed, 2 for SCOTUS, moving in the direction of more strict interpretation of law, better.

Exposing previous admin using DOJ and IC as political weapon, many bad actors removed, hopefully improved integrity within these agencies, better.

Climate, greenhouse emissions which in the U.S. peaked in 2006 continue to improve, but globally not so.  Better domestic performance, world not better.

Military equipment getting refreshed after decades of overseas operations, better.

Covid 19, unfortunate temporary setback, easy to MMQB but overall a tremendous response from governments at all levels, from health care workers and business owners all of which have faced huge challenges.  The worst is over. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Big Gun said:

Sure as hell isnt because of Trump. The leftest babies still cant acknowledge Hillary lost and this is how they act out. Bravo, losers!

 

And yet you can't answer the question.  Or won't.  Because you know the answer.  The lives of Americans are not better now than they were four years ago. 

3 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

So, say what you want or be deemed obtuse.

 

Yeah, you're objective and unbiased.

 

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It's not about saying what you want.  It's about basic reading comprehension.  As in, don't answer about your personal circumstances, but answer for the country as a whole.  

 

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Well that's the problem with inferring racism.  It begs the question: who is the real racist?

 

In this instance, it's you.  The best way for you not to be a racist is to not say stupid, racist things.  

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Considering the pandemic, if you can really call it that, and the economic fallout associated with that, combined with racial tensions, its hard to say Americans are better off.  

 

The real question is what is the underlying cause of this decay?

 

Never Trumpers will moan that its all Trumps fault....its just what they do.  

 

This is much bigger than any individual.

 

Take a look at all the efforts the DNC has made to derail literally everything this president has attempted to do.  They will literally stop at nothing to carry out their agenda.  They have sewn division everywhere they can, and blame Trump.  They create civil unrest, and blame Trump.  Given the timing of it, I wouldn't be surprised if they were responsible for unleashing the virus....and blaming Trump.  They have the media at their disposal, college campuses blocking conservative viewpoints and Hollywood echoing their viewpoints.  They have accepted billions of dollars from known global socialists and created groups that prey on the emotions of individuals, all the while using those individuals as puppets to carry out an agenda that has nothing to do with what appears on the surface.  Its not about equality, its about causing civil unrest and division.  They are so hell bent on removing a man that recognizes them for what they are, that they are willing to sacrifice the well being of an entire nation.  This organized group of globalists have been at this for decades, and they are getting so close they can taste it.  They are the root cause of what we are seeing today.  

 

Some will say Trump caused this, but the reality is that this is what caused Trump. Who else would have the sack to stand up to this?

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2 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

In this instance, it's you.  The best way for you not to be a racist is to not say stupid, racist things.  

 

Wuhan virus.  The place of origin.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Anything else you want to infer is all on you, sparky.

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7 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Wuhan virus.  The place of origin.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Anything else you want to infer is all on you, sparky.

Sparky, eh?  Channeling you inner jerky boys tonight.  Better than blowing your racist dog whistle, I suppose. 

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