dubs Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 I can’t promise I’ll do this everyday, but it’s worth a look. 6/20/20 8 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) I love Thomas Sowell. Thank you I highly recommend Larry Elder as a back-up Edited June 20, 2020 by RocCityRoller 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 He's right. It takes a convergence of special factors for a well-educated leader to find footing with the mob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 6/21/20 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 minute ago, dubs said: 6/21/20 Thomas Sowell: "The other 99 percent of black lives destroyed by people who are not police do not seem to attract nearly as much attention in the media." I thought, from the national narrative right now, and from voices right here on this forum, that this is a racist view... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 18 hours ago, dubs said: I can’t promise I’ll do this everyday, but it’s worth a look. 6/20/20 Don’t listen to racial leaders? Is he saying don’t listen to black people? Or is he talking about Trump the white nationalist? 7 minutes ago, dubs said: 6/21/20 You have to have political power to make change. This guy guy is a total hack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Don’t listen to racial leaders? Is he saying don’t listen to black people? Or is he talking about Trump the white nationalist? You have to have political power to make change. This guy guy is a total hack Yeah, he probably has no idea what the black experience in this country is like.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Don’t listen to racial leaders? Is he saying don’t listen to black people? Or is he talking about Trump the white nationalist? You have to have political power to make change. This guy guy is a total hack Seriously? Did you really just call Thomas Sowell a hack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Cinga said: Seriously? Did you really just call Thomas Sowell a hack? Tibs is an idiot Edited June 21, 2020 by billsfan1959 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Thomas Sowell: "The other 99 percent of black lives destroyed by people who are not police do not seem to attract nearly as much attention in the media." I thought, from the national narrative right now, and from voices right here on this forum, that this is a racist view... Sowell doesn't buy into the sensationalism and neither should we. This PPP forum seems to love it, though. 16 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Don’t listen to racial leaders? Is he saying don’t listen to black people? Or is he talking about Trump the white nationalist? You have to have political power to make change. This guy guy is a total hack He's referring to leaders who are predominantly driven by racial and ethnic motives and mandates. And particularly uneducated leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Just now, LeGOATski said: Sowell doesn't buy into the sensationalism and neither should we. This PPP forum seems to love it, though. No, we shouldn't. However, a lot of people do and their voices are drowning out the reasonable voices right now through fear, intimidation, shaming, etc. All of which does nothing but prohibit honest dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 You have to be the decision maker in order to make the change. Sowell knows that and he believes in the liberty we're granted to elect the decision makers we feel will make the right changes. That's where the special combination of factors comes in. Who will be sufficiently educated, have the right motives, become the decision maker, and be able to motivate the mob all at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 ...he is as eloquent and brilliant as they come, still going strong at 89 years young.....he personifies what every African-American can become......an inspiration IMO..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: No, we shouldn't. However, a lot of people do and their voices are drowning out the reasonable voices right now through fear, intimidation, shaming, etc. All of which does nothing but prohibit honest dialogue. and we elected a leader who encourages all of that, as well It's a constant back and forth that requires real leadership to break free from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: You have to be the decision maker in order to make the change. Sowell knows that and he believes in the liberty we're granted to elect the decision makers we feel will make the right changes. That's where the special combination of factors comes in. Who will be sufficiently educated, have the right motives, become the decision maker, and be able to motivate the mob all at the same time. Unfortunately, for the black race in this country, they have put their votes (overwhelmingly) behind the same people and the same party, year after year, after year, after year..... And they have allowed the same "Black Leaders" to speak for them year after year, after year, after year.... 14 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: and we elected a leader who encourages all of that, as well It's a constant back and forth that requires real leadership to break free from. There didn't seem to be any improvement for black communities or much honest dialogue under Obama either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LeGOATski Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Unfortunately, for the black race in this country, they have put their votes (overwhelmingly) behind the same people and the same party, year after year, after year, after year..... And they have allowed the same "Black Leaders" to speak for them year after year, after year, after year.... There didn't seem to be any improvement for black communities or much honest dialogue under Obama either. yeah, I was telling my wife this the other day that Obama has really fallen short in this particular area. I mean....he seemed to check all of those important boxes I listed. Maybe his motives eventually were skewed. Or maybe the system is at a point now where one man simply cannot make the type of difference they used to. Like you said, the good leaders can be easily drowned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpetCrawler Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) Freedom has cost too much blood and agony to be relinquished at the cheap price of rhetoric. -Thomas Sowell Too much of what is called 'education' is little more than an expensive isolation from reality. -Thomas Sowell Mystical references to society and its programs to help may warm the hearts of the gullible but what it really means is putting more power in the hands of bureaucrats. -Thomas Sowell Life in general has never been even close to fair, so the pretense that the government can make it fair is a valuable and inexhaustible asset to politicians who want to expand government. -Thomas Sowell Although the big word on the left is 'compassion,' the big agenda on the left is dependency. -Thomas SowellRead more at https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/thomas-sowell-quotes_3 Edited June 21, 2020 by CarpetCrawler 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: Sowell doesn't buy into the sensationalism and neither should we. This PPP forum seems to love it, though. He's referring to leaders who are predominantly driven by racial and ethnic motives and mandates. And particularly uneducated leaders. Like who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Like who? Look in the mirror. You don't want a discussion. You want to insult, intimidate and shout down anyone with a different point of view. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 hour ago, westside2 said: Look in the mirror. You don't want a discussion. You want to insult, intimidate and shout down anyone with a different point of view. I’m very educated. Why you so mean to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Why ARE you so mean to me? but you knew that educated boy, you are just trolling for any response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 It was either shelby Steele or Thomas Sowell filling in for Rush who called Rev Al, Jessie Jackson, and the like the "Klan with a tan".? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted June 22, 2020 Author Share Posted June 22, 2020 6/22/20 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, dubs said: 6/22/20 He has been selling this nonsense for decades. His “back when the ghetto was a paradise” argument is pretty silly. The black middle class has vastly expanded since black people were given basic civil rights. He is seriously trying to argue that making life not so terrible ruined an oppressed people. Just stupid. As to the the fact that families are not as strong as they once were and just saying it’s all about welfare is just a political argument, nothing more. Many historical factors have led to the supposed “tragedy” of single parent families. Had there been jobs in the inner city, had blacks had access to jobs, housing and transportation outside their neighborhoods the sacred family might have survived better. And single parent families are not the civilization killers the right is trying to make them out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, Tiberius said: ...And single parent families are not the civilization killers the right is trying to make them out to be. Tibs again proving what a low IQ asshat he is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, Wacka said: Tibs again proving what a low IQ asshat he is. A rock moved on the ground. Then it moved again, and out popped the head of Wacka to vomit out a "thought." That done, the head disappeared, the rock was pulled back and gone was Wacka to contemplate the meaning of it all for another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 55 minutes ago, Tiberius said: He has been selling this nonsense for decades. His “back when the ghetto was a paradise” argument is pretty silly. The black middle class has vastly expanded since black people were given basic civil rights. He is seriously trying to argue that making life not so terrible ruined an oppressed people. Just stupid. As to the the fact that families are not as strong as they once were and just saying it’s all about welfare is just a political argument, nothing more. Many historical factors have led to the supposed “tragedy” of single parent families. Had there been jobs in the inner city, had blacks had access to jobs, housing and transportation outside their neighborhoods the sacred family might have survived better. And single parent families are not the civilization killers the right is trying to make them out to be. You should have been thrilled with Trump's fantastic drop in unemployment numbers for Blacks & Hispanics then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 20 hours ago, Tiberius said: Don’t listen to racial leaders? Is he saying don’t listen to black people? Or is he talking about Trump the white nationalist? Interestingly enough, it appears to echo a point made by Malcolm X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 14 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Interestingly enough, it appears to echo a point made by Malcolm X. It is even more true today. The black communities in this country are being betrayed by the very people who scream the loudest at having their best interests at heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Just now, billsfan1959 said: It is even more true today. The black communities in this country are being betrayed by the very people who scream the loudest at having their best interests at heart. I've been studying more of Malcolm with the current events, and I find I relate and understand a lot of his points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 21 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Interestingly enough, it appears to echo a point made by Malcolm X. That almost describes Thomas Sowell to a tee, except that it's Conservatives who are subsidizing and supporting him. You see that? 7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: It is even more true today. The black communities in this country are being betrayed by the very people who scream the loudest at having their best interests at heart. Which black leaders are you talking about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I've been studying more of Malcolm with the current events, and I find I relate and understand a lot of his points. The autobiography by Alex Haley is one of the best books I've read on Malcom X. I respect his views and the fact that, by every indication, he lived what he preached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Which black leaders are you talking about? I didn't say just black leaders. I also include many white politicians who are self-proclaimed champions of black citizens. Which ones betray the very people they claim to give voices to? Given the state of black communities in this country, I would venture to say pick a card, any card, Tibs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: That almost describes Thomas Sowell to a tee, except that it's Conservatives who are subsidizing and supporting him. You see that? No, I don't really see it. Who exactly is Mr. Sowell beholden to? It's abundantly clear with Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and most entertainers, who Malcolm also denounces as poor leaders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: He has been selling this nonsense for decades. His “back when the ghetto was a paradise” argument is pretty silly. The black middle class has vastly expanded since black people were given basic civil rights. He is seriously trying to argue that making life not so terrible ruined an oppressed people. Just stupid. As to the the fact that families are not as strong as they once were and just saying it’s all about welfare is just a political argument, nothing more. Many historical factors have led to the supposed “tragedy” of single parent families. Had there been jobs in the inner city, had blacks had access to jobs, housing and transportation outside their neighborhoods the sacred family might have survived better. And single parent families are not the civilization killers the right is trying to make them out to be. 40 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: It is even more true today. The black communities in this country are being betrayed by the very people who scream the loudest at having their best interests at heart. "People arguing over who got the best master" Provocative from Killer Mike...worth a listen. His series on Netflix is awesome as well. BTW, listen to the people he recommends everyone should read and learn from, Sowell included. Also, he falls close in line to Trump on immigration. Very very NSFW language...and this from last year, not recent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1ZbBgRntU 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Thomas Sowell: Black Wisdom Matters - The Promise of Black Politicians Thomas Sowell, Jason Riley, Bob Woodson, Walter E Williams and Shelby Steele look at the promises and delivery of politicians representing the ethnic grievance industry. (Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 14 minutes ago, B-Man said: Thomas Sowell: Black Wisdom Matters - The Promise of Black Politicians Thomas Sowell, Jason Riley, Bob Woodson, Walter E Williams and Shelby Steele look at the promises and delivery of politicians representing the ethnic grievance industry. (Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ... Isn't Trump just a grievance factory? Blaming others for what you support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Isn't Trump just a grievance factory? Blaming others for what you support Watch the video...............instead of whining...............it will do you some good. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Just now, B-Man said: Watch the video...............instead of whining...............it will do you some good. . Trump complains all the time everything is unfair. He's the whiner Unfair! Media is against me, cry cry Like no other President had to answer questions before, but he can't handle it so he cries UNFAIR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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