Trump v Vance

[Tiberius]

 

 

On Tuesday, the U.S. Supreme Court is scheduled to hear one of the most consequential cases ever considered on executive privilege. Trump v. Vance concerns a subpoena issued by the Manhattan district attorney to President Trump’s accountants demanding the release of tax returns and other financial documents to a grand jury.

 

What is at stake is no less than the accountability of a president to the rule of law.

Mr. Trump claims that a president has “temporary absolute immunity,” meaning he cannot be criminally investigated while in office. Indeed, in oral argument before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in New York, his lawyers said that if the president were to shoot someone on Fifth Avenue, he could not be investigated or indicted until after he left office.

 

If the justices endorse this extreme view, they will make it impossible to hold this president, and all future presidents, answerable in courts for their actions.

 

Mr. Trump’s legal position contradicts clear Supreme Court precedent. In U.S. v. Nixon, a unanimous Supreme Court ordered President Richard Nixon to turn over Oval Office tapes subpoenaed by the Watergate special prosecutor, Archibald Cox. In Clinton v. Jones, a unanimous court held that a sitting president can be forced to testify in response to a subpoena in civil litigation. Taken together, these cases make it clear that the president is not immune from investigation, whether criminal or civil, while he is in office.

 

Mr. Trump’s claims of absolute immunity are even weaker than the assertions by Presidents Nixon and Bill Clinton. The subpoena was issued by a state, rather than a federal prosecutor. The 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution allows states a certain degree of autonomy in investigating and prosecuting crimes. Although grand jury proceedings are secret, Mr. Vance is probably also investigating whether the president’s company, the Trump Organization, falsely accounted for hush-money payments made in the run-up to the 2016 election to two women who claim they had affairs with Mr. Trump. To deny New York the right to exercise its “police powers” over serious financial crimes should give the court’s conservative justices pause.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/opinion/supreme-court-trump-executive-privilege.html

[Tommy Callahan]

I picked up this 15 pound brisket at Sam's for 3.98$ a pound.  It's in the fridge now getting a cold brine till tonight.  it's gonna go on the pellet grill (competition blend) till an internal temp of 170 or so.  Then its gonna get wrapped in peach paper with a splash of bourbon till an internal of 195.  Gonna finish it by  wrapping in a towel and putting in a cooler for an hour. 

 

After all that, gonna deliver a hot plate of brisket, beans, greens, and Mac and cheese to mom for a mother's day dinner.  

Edited May 9, 2020 by Chris farley

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Chris farley said:

I picked up this 15 pound brisket at Sam's for 3.98$ a pound.  It's in the fridge now getting a cold brine till tonight.  Then it's gonna go on the pellet grill (competition blend) till an internal temp of 170 or so.  Then its gonna get wrapped in peach paper with a splash of bourbon till an internal of 195.  Then wrapped and put in a cooler for an hour. 

 

After all that, gonna deliver a hot plate of brisket, beans, greens, and Mac and cheese to mom for a mother's day dinner.  

Next time get a nice fatty piece of corned beef.  Cover it in cracked black pepper and coriander before the smoke.......VIOLA!  Pastrami. 
 

For more delightful culinary tips such as this listen to my podcast Tibs‘s Threads Suck. Might as Well Cook found on iHeart Radio or wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts 

[Q-baby!]

6 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

I picked up this 15 pound brisket at Sam's for 3.98$ a pound.  It's in the fridge now getting a cold brine till tonight.  it's gonna go on the pellet grill (competition blend) till an internal temp of 170 or so.  Then its gonna get wrapped in peach paper with a splash of bourbon till an internal of 195.  Gonna finish it by  wrapping in a towel and putting in a cooler for an hour. 

 

After all that, gonna deliver a hot plate of brisket, beans, greens, and Mac and cheese to mom for a mother's day dinner.  

Does she also live in a van, down by the river? 

[Tiberius]

18 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

I picked up this 15 pound brisket at Sam's for 3.98$ a pound.  It's in the fridge now getting a cold brine till tonight.  it's gonna go on the pellet grill (competition blend) till an internal temp of 170 or so.  Then its gonna get wrapped in peach paper with a splash of bourbon till an internal of 195.  Gonna finish it by  wrapping in a towel and putting in a cooler for an hour. 

 

After all that, gonna deliver a hot plate of brisket, beans, greens, and Mac and cheese to mom for a mother's day dinner.  

You picked your nose, maybe. Too stupid to have an opinion on the topic? 

[Chef Jim]

28 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You picked your nose, maybe. Too stupid to have an opinion on the topic? 

An opinion on a topic done to death that didn’t need its own thread?  You mean that topic? 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

47 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Next time get a nice fatty piece of corned beef.  Cover it in cracked black pepper and coriander before the smoke.......VIOLA!  Pastrami. 
 

For more delightful culinary tips such as this listen to my podcast Tibs‘s Threads Suck. Might as Well Cook found on iHeart Radio or wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts 

 

What do you recommend for smoking things like bacon or sausage?

 

I mean smoker wise

[Foxx]

42 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You picked your nose, maybe. Too stupid to have an opinion on the topic? 

[Just Joshin']

1 hour ago, Chris farley said:

I picked up this 15 pound brisket at Sam's for 3.98$ a pound.  It's in the fridge now getting a cold brine till tonight.  it's gonna go on the pellet grill (competition blend) till an internal temp of 170 or so.  Then its gonna get wrapped in peach paper with a splash of bourbon till an internal of 195.  Gonna finish it by  wrapping in a towel and putting in a cooler for an hour. 

 

After all that, gonna deliver a hot plate of brisket, beans, greens, and Mac and cheese to mom for a mother's day dinner.  

You may want to target 200-205 but it really matters when tender, not the temp. 

[Chef Jim]

9 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

What do you recommend for smoking things like bacon or sausage?

 

I mean smoker wise

I’ve not smoked bacon or sausages. I cure those. I just smoke large cuts.  I need a better smoker for sausages/bacon. Even ribs in my smaller egg is a pain.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

I’ve not smoked bacon or sausages. I cure those. I just smoke large cuts.  I need a better smoker for sausages/bacon. Even ribs in my smaller egg is a pain.  

Was considering an electric box for convenience. Thoughts? Really interested in trying to make my own kielbasa.

[3rdnlng]

6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

What do you recommend for smoking things like bacon or sausage?

 

Try the links, the patties tend to fall apart once lit. I wouldn't recommend smoking bacon. The fat tends to flare up when it's lit and you could burn your beard and/or mustache.

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

Next time get a nice fatty piece of corned beef.  Cover it in cracked black pepper and coriander before the smoke.......VIOLA!  Pastrami. 

 

 

 

That's what I do, but with the brisket flat. I have a recipe for a 6-day brine, then a rub of the folllowing:

• 1 tbsp coriander seeds
• 1 tbsp black peppercorns
• 1 tbsp mustard seeds
• 1 tbsp red chile flakes
• 1 tbsp allspice berries
• 1 tbsp whole cloves
• 1 tsp ground ginger
• 1 tsp ground mace
• 1 small cinnamon stick, crushed
• 2 bay leaves, broken into pieces

Smoke at 250 on mahogany for 5 hours,  it in foil for for the Texas crutch and raise the smoker to 300 degrees, and get the pastrami to 200 degrees internally before taking it off.

 

It blows my mind that I can make a pastrami this good.

 

4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Was considering an electric box for convenience. Thoughts? Really interested in trying to make my own kielbasa.

 

I got a Traeger when they were all the rage, and it turned out to be stupid purchase because the older models only smoked. They can never get hot enough to serve as a dual purpose. Ultimately I got a Kamado grill that does everything. Well worth the investment. Home Depot puts the Vision Grill on sale and it's every bit as good as my neighbor's Big Green Egg for half the price.

Edited May 9, 2020 by IDBillzFan

[3rdnlng]

51 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You picked your nose, maybe. Too stupid to have an opinion on the topic? 

From your Letter To The Editor:

 

Requiring Mr. Trump’s accountants to comply with the New York subpoena surely would not interfere with the president’s management of the Covid-19 crisis, if he has bothered to manage it at all.

I've noticed a little TDS in this slander piece.

 

It would appear that Trump is guilty for filing his taxes. You guys surely have him now!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

That's what I do, but with the brisket flat. I have a recipe for a 6-day brine, then a rub of the folllowing:

• 1 tbsp coriander seeds
• 1 tbsp black peppercorns
• 1 tbsp mustard seeds
• 1 tbsp red chile flakes
• 1 tbsp allspice berries
• 1 tbsp whole cloves
• 1 tsp ground ginger
• 1 tsp ground mace
• 1 small cinnamon stick, crushed
• 2 bay leaves, broken into pieces

Smoke at 250 on mahogany for 5 hours,  it in foil for for the Texas crutch and raise the smoker to 300 degrees, and get the pastrami to 200 degrees internally before taking it off.

 

It blows my mind that I can make a pastrami this good.

 

 

I got a Traeger when they were all the rage, and it turned out to be stupid purchase because the older models only smoked. They can never get hot enough to serve as a dual purpose. Ultimately I got a Kamado grill that does everything. Well worth the investment. Home Depot puts the Vision Grill on sale and it's every bit as good as my neighbor's Big Green Egg for half the price.

 

Ultimately, a smoker is all I really want. Have a grill that works fine.

 

[IDBillzFan]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Ultimately, a smoker is all I really want. Have a grill that works fine.

 

 

A gas grill, or a man's grill?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, IDBillzFan said:

 

A gas grill, or a man's grill?

 

Lump charcoal ONLY, brother.

 

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

 

 

On Tuesday, the U.S. Supreme Court is scheduled to hear one of the most consequential cases ever considered on executive privilege. Trump v. Vance concerns a subpoena issued by the Manhattan district attorney to President Trump’s accountants demanding the release of tax returns and other financial documents to a grand jury.

What is at stake is no less than the accountability of a president to the rule of law.

Mr. Trump claims that a president has “temporary absolute immunity,” meaning he cannot be criminally investigated while in office. Indeed, in oral argument before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in New York, his lawyers said that if the president were to shoot someone on Fifth Avenue, he could not be investigated or indicted until after he left office.

If the justices endorse this extreme view, they will make it impossible to hold this president, and all future presidents, answerable in courts for their actions.

Mr. Trump’s legal position contradicts clear Supreme Court precedent. In U.S. v. Nixon, a unanimous Supreme Court ordered President Richard Nixon to turn over Oval Office tapes subpoenaed by the Watergate special prosecutor, Archibald Cox. In Clinton v. Jones, a unanimous court held that a sitting president can be forced to testify in response to a subpoena in civil litigation. Taken together, these cases make it clear that the president is not immune from investigation, whether criminal or civil, while he is in office.

 

Mr. Trump’s claims of absolute immunity are even weaker than the assertions by Presidents Nixon and Bill Clinton. The subpoena was issued by a state, rather than a federal prosecutor. The 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution allows states a certain degree of autonomy in investigating and prosecuting crimes. Although grand jury proceedings are secret, Mr. Vance is probably also investigating whether the president’s company, the Trump Organization, falsely accounted for hush-money payments made in the run-up to the 2016 election to two women who claim they had affairs with Mr. Trump. To deny New York the right to exercise its “police powers” over serious financial crimes should give the court’s conservative justices pause.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/opinion/supreme-court-trump-executive-privilege.html

How dare Trump be given the exact same power every president before him has been given- it is why we have impeachment. I would ask for an example of a president being charged criminally while president but I already know the response- I am stupid and you do not need to show me.

[Tommy Callahan]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

Next time get a nice fatty piece of corned beef.  Cover it in cracked black pepper and coriander before the smoke.......VIOLA!  Pastrami. 
 

For more delightful culinary tips such as this listen to my podcast Tibs‘s Threads Suck. Might as Well Cook found on iHeart Radio or wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts 

Why thank you sir.  My butcher does his own pastrami with a similar recipe..

 

I think I'm gonna try making my own bacon next.  

 

Any suggestions on that front?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

Next time get a nice fatty piece of corned beef.  Cover it in cracked black pepper and coriander before the smoke.......VIOLA!  Pastrami. 
 

For more delightful culinary tips such as this listen to my podcast Tibs‘s Threads Suck. Might as Well Cook found on iHeart Radio or wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts 

 

....how long to smoke it Chef?....I have a pellet smoker (electric one for smaller stuff)...........