spartacus Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 hour ago, DrW said: Thanks. That is certainly a valid explanation. It leaves the question why in some studies the patients have sufficiently high endogenous zinc levels, but not in others. We obviously need more data here. But sufficiently high zinc levels are necessary anyway - alcohol dehydrogenase needs zinc. many people are zinc and vitamin D deficient, primarily due to diets poor in food that provides those key nutrients 2 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: Jesus Christ, show me that it works. That will change my mind. That's all that matters. FFS you won't find your "proof" in the main stream media. try searching out the hundreds of front line doctors using HQL/zinc with Z-pac everyday. why do you think out all of these new cases being reported that the number of seriously sick have dwindled to nothing - 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 hour ago, spartacus said: many people are zinc and vitamin D deficient, primarily due to diets poor in food that provides those key nutrients you won't find your "proof" in the main stream media. try searching out the hundreds of front line doctors using HQL/zinc with Z-pac everyday. why do you think out all of these new cases being reported that the number of seriously sick have dwindled to nothing - False. It either works provably or it doesn't. Your conspiracy means nothing. Your anecdotes are anecdotal evidence and don't provide scientific proof. Put up or shut up time. ... <crickets> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Just now, Gene Frenkle said: False. It either works provably or it doesn't. Your conspiracy means nothing. Your anecdotes are anecdotal evidence and don't provide scientific proof. Put up or shut up time. ... <crickets> I’m pretty sure that some doctors are prescribing it. If you’re under 80, you don’t really need it. I’m not a cricket.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 33 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: False. It either works provably or it doesn't. Your conspiracy means nothing. Your anecdotes are anecdotal evidence and don't provide scientific proof. Put up or shut up time. ... <crickets> for a worthless treatment, there sure is a lot of time, energy and creativity spent in debunking it 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 37 minutes ago, spartacus said: for a worthless treatment, there sure is a lot of time, energy and creativity spent in debunking it Or trying to justify it... The burden of proof is on those claiming it works. Prove it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Another Highly Touted Hydroxychloroquine Study Turns Out to Be a Joke . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 1 minute ago, B-Man said: Another Highly Touted Hydroxychloroquine Study Turns Out to Be a Joke . Worse yet, no one will be held accountable for the lives that COULD have been saved if not for these bogus studies! Sorry, it just pisses me off because HCQ is relatively inexpensive (60 cents per) while so many others seem to be holding out for hoped for kickbacks is remdesivir (4 thousand per patient) gets approved for this. But meantime, people are dying unnecessarily 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Cinga said: Worse yet, no one will be held accountable for the lives that COULD have been saved if not for these bogus studies! Sorry, it just pisses me off because HCQ is relatively inexpensive (60 cents per) while so many others seem to be holding out for hoped for kickbacks is remdesivir (4 thousand per patient) gets approved for this. But meantime, people are dying unnecessarily Agree 100% with this post. When I saw a few weeks ago with remdisvir cost I was really shocked on that HCQ cheap and helps soo much for people. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Agree 100% with this post. When I saw a few weeks ago with remdisvir cost I was really shocked on that HCQ cheap and helps soo much for people. Yup, and the remdisvir is sitting at a low effectiveness rate https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/29/gilead-says-critical-study-of-covid-19-drug-shows-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/ Quote The preliminary data showed that the time to recovery was 11 days on remdesivir compared to 15 days for placebo, a 31% decrease. The mortality rate for the remdesivir group was 8%, compared to 11.6% for the placebo group; that mortality difference was not statistically significant. That is still a really high mortality rate for that kind of money! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 The Queen is going to be pissed Live updates: FDA pulls emergency authorization for hydroxychloroquine as covid-19 treatment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoCal Deek Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, BillStime said: The Queen is going to be pissed Live updates: FDA pulls emergency authorization for hydroxychloroquine as covid-19 treatment Why is this an issue for you? There’s been no shortage of remedies that have been tried. What was your plan? Do absolutely nothing, let millions die, and wait for the Holy Grail vaccine? I’m so glad you’re not in the position to lead a little league team! Or are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Cinga said: Yup, and the remdisvir is sitting at a low effectiveness rate https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/29/gilead-says-critical-study-of-covid-19-drug-shows-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/ That is still a really high mortality rate for that kind of money! Remdesivir looks to at best just shorten the hospital stay. It'll probably end up being just one of the things doctors throw at more advanced cases. Definitely not the panacea based on these studies. The vaccines are where the promising work is happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 58 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Why is this an issue for you? Because more people are going to die and he can have his parade. Duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 52 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Why is this an issue for you? There’s been no shortage of remedies that have been tried. What was your plan? Do absolutely nothing, let millions die, and wait for the Holy Grail vaccine? I’m so glad you’re not in the position to lead a little league team! Or are you? Trump, Fox News and all you freaks turned yourselves into pretzels defending TRUMP on the use of this drug. THERE ARE 46 PAGES on this website ALONE. And what's my plan? First off, I wouldn't have destroyed our pandemic infrastructure. There is a reason why you invest in insurance like this... Second, I would not have ignored my own intelligence reports on this virus in NOVEMBER 2019. It is clear TRUMP does NOT have a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Reality Check Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, BillStime said: Trump, Fox News and all you freaks turned yourselves into pretzels defending TRUMP on the use of this drug. THERE ARE 46 PAGES on this website ALONE. And what's my plan? First off, I wouldn't have destroyed our pandemic infrastructure. There is a reason why you invest in insurance like this... Second, I would not have ignored my own intelligence reports on this virus in NOVEMBER 2019. It is clear TRUMP does NOT have a plan. Joe Biden had a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, BillStime said: Trump, Fox News and all you freaks turned yourselves into pretzels defending TRUMP on the use of this drug. THERE ARE 46 PAGES on this website ALONE. And what's my plan? First off, I wouldn't have destroyed our pandemic infrastructure. There is a reason why you invest in insurance like this... Second, I would not have ignored my own intelligence reports on this virus in NOVEMBER 2019. It is clear TRUMP does NOT have a plan. Tell me how Obama's pandemic response plan was going to address the fatal incompetence of local and state owned hospitals? (That's after you return from your dance) Edited June 15, 2020 by GG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 1 minute ago, GG said: Tell me how Obama's pandemic response plan was going to address the fatal incompetence if local and state owned hospitals? (That's after you return from your dance) Can you imagine how state and local hospitals and officials could have responded to this virus had Trump shared his intelligence in November? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. - Mike Tyson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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