There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[shoshin]

12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

This is a prime example of regulations being BADLY applied. WNY has almost no cases, hospitalizations, or deaths, and yet their supposed to show a consistent level of decline?

 

There are two criteria there. Can meet either one. 

 

7 minutes ago, GG said:

 

If that is the case, then you'll never open up because by nature of the virus the cases will keep growing.  That should not be the standard.

 

It's not, obviously.

Edited May 14, 2020 by shoshin

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Look at these two side by side. Notice the pattern??

 

Gee, I wonder if density and population play a role here...

[SoCal Deek]

6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Gee, I wonder if density and population play a role here...

Nope....political leaning.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

You are much more optimistic than I am . Feeling like we will be behind NYC but that’s just me. 

 

...outlines openings by region...........

New York coronavirus reopening: Which regions can start to reopen May 15?

 

Jon Campbell, New York State Team Published 3:20 p.m. ET May 13, 2020 | Updated 4:08 p.m. ET May 14, 2020

 

ALBANY – Certain businesses across much of upstate New York will have the green light to reopen Friday after nearly two months of being forced to shut their doors amid the torrid spread of the coronavirus.

 

But much of the state — including the Buffalo area, New York City and its suburbs — will have to remain shuttered, unable to meet the state's metrics to make it eligible for the first phase of reopening.

 

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo's office has laid out seven key metrics each region of the state must meet in order to qualify for a partial reopening on Friday, when eligible regions will be allowed to let construction, manufacturing and retail businesses resume in-person operations.

 

Nonessential retail operations will be limited to curbside pickup, while essential retail — including grocery stores — will continue operating as normal, as they have throughout the state's stay-at-home order.

 

Why is one region of the state allowed to open when another, nearby region isn't?

 

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2020/05/13/new-york-coronavirus-reopening-which-regions-can-start-reopen-may-15/5182327002/

 

 

Edited May 14, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Magox]

Sounds legit

 

 

 

[Walking Tall]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...outlines openings by region...........

New York coronavirus reopening: Which regions can start to reopen May 15?

 

Jon Campbell, New York State Team Published 3:20 p.m. ET May 13, 2020 | Updated 4:08 p.m. ET May 14, 2020

 

ALBANY – Certain businesses across much of upstate New York will have the green light to reopen Friday after nearly two months of being forced to shut their doors amid the torrid spread of the coronavirus.

 

But much of the state — including the Buffalo area, New York City and its suburbs — will have to remain shuttered, unable to meet the state's metrics to make it eligible for the first phase of reopening.

 

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo's office has laid out seven key metrics each region of the state must meet in order to qualify for a partial reopening on Friday, when eligible regions will be allowed to let construction, manufacturing and retail businesses resume in-person operations.

 

Nonessential retail operations will be limited to curbside pickup, while essential retail — including grocery stores — will continue operating as normal, as they have throughout the state's stay-at-home order.

 

Why is one region of the state allowed to open when another, nearby region isn't?

 

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2020/05/13/new-york-coronavirus-reopening-which-regions-can-start-reopen-may-15/5182327002/

 

 

 

I've been working since this lockdown has been going on but, tomorrow, I have to start getting my temperature taken upon arrival at work.

 

I guess the last two months or so it didn't matter but it does now.

 

Go figure.

 

 

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

 

Gee, I wonder if density and population play a role here...

 

Which blue states are densely populated? 

 

Sorry wrong map.  Which yellow states are densely populated? 

Edited May 14, 2020 by Chef Jim

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

I've been working since this lockdown has been going on but, tomorrow, I have to start getting my temperature taken upon arrival at work.

 

I guess the last two months or so it didn't matter but it does now.

 

Go figure.

 

 

 

 

...sad....especially considering your public exposure in your work....hope you're ok my friend.....

[Walking Tall]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...sad....especially considering your public exposure in your work....hope you're ok my friend.....

 

Thanks, buddy. I'm doing good. The numbers have been very low here in Broome County. I get the statistics from the three hospitals and the ICU is, and has been, pretty much empty. 24 deaths. All elderly and I'm sure with issues before they were struck with Covid.

 

Hope all is well with you and yours!

[B-Man]

‘Not The Onion or Babylon Bee’: San Diego County’s COVID-19 alert system update sums up shutdown insanity perfectly

With different states each having different rules for what can and can’t be open, it can be difficult keeping track of what is and isn’t allowed to happen. The madness has been summed up in these COVID-19 alerts from San Diego:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

‘THEY WANT TO GET THE HELL OUT OF WHERE THEY’RE AT:’ TAHOE REAL ESTATE DEMAND SPIKES.

 

“‘People are starting to ask themselves, ‘Why do I have to live in such an expensive area and drive an hour to work every day, or rent out an expensive office space when everyone can work remotely?’

 

If you don’t need to live in the city, why would you?’ Bednar said.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

‘Not The Onion or Babylon Bee’: San Diego County’s COVID-19 alert system update sums up shutdown insanity perfectly

With different states each having different rules for what can and can’t be open, it can be difficult keeping track of what is and isn’t allowed to happen. The madness has been summed up in these COVID-19 alerts from San Diego:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

‘THEY WANT TO GET THE HELL OUT OF WHERE THEY’RE AT:’ TAHOE REAL ESTATE DEMAND SPIKES.

 

“‘People are starting to ask themselves, ‘Why do I have to live in such an expensive area and drive an hour to work every day, or rent out an expensive office space when everyone can work remotely?’

 

If you don’t need to live in the city, why would you?’ Bednar said.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

Totally illogical ! You can go to the mall, but not inside the store. They’ve really got the best and the brightest working on this stuff in San Diego. 

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

This is a prime example of regulations being BADLY applied. WNY has almost no cases, hospitalizations, or deaths, and yet their supposed to show a consistent level of decline?

Exactly. With the hospitals fudging their numbers due to high Covid19 reimbursements, those hospitalizations are being given too much weight. 

[Magox]

The anger is real.  The polls may say one thing but the energy is definitely on the get to work crowd.

 

This for me is a tea party 2 sort of a movement that is bubbling.

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

The anger is real.  The polls may say one thing but the energy is definitely on the get to work crowd.

 

This for me is a tea party 2 sort of a movement that is bubbling.

 

 

 

 

Say what you will about Trump -- he's a narcissist, he's a blowhard, he's truculent, et al -- but he's proven to have almost preternatural political instincts. And right now, he's lining up with that movement you're referencing for the 2020 election. The election was going to be about the economy, (capitalism vs socialism) but the black swan changed that. Now it'll be freedom vs lock down -- and the dems are eager to argue against freedom. 

 

It's amazing really when you step back and look at the whole board. 

 

These next 6 months are going to be nuts.

[Chef Jim]

So LA has mandated (I think) people wearing masks when they leave their homes.  Ok awesome!   So we're good right?  We're totally protecting ourselves and others right?  So we're all going back to work right?  Right.? Is this thing on......Bueller...Bueller...Bueller? 

 

But seriously.  If everyone is in protective masks why can't we open up and go back to work?  I don't get it. 

Edited May 15, 2020 by Chef Jim

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

So LA has mandated (I think) people wearing masks when they leave their homes.  Ok awesome!   So we're good right?  We're totally protecting ourselves and others right?  So we're all going back to work right?  Right.? Is this thing on......Bueller...Bueller...Buller?

 

But seriously.  If everyone is in protective masks why can't we open up and go back to work?  I don't get it. 

 

"DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO DIE?!?!"

/s

[Magox]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Say what you will about Trump -- he's a narcissist, he's a blowhard, he's truculent, et al -- but he's proven to have almost preternatural political instincts. And right now, he's lining up with that movement you're referencing for the 2020 election. The election was going to be about the economy, (capitalism vs socialism) but the black swan changed that. Now it'll be freedom vs lock down -- and the dems are eager to argue against freedom. 

 

It's amazing really when you step back and look at the whole board. 

 

These next 6 months are going to be nuts.

 

I could be wrong and if there ends up being outbreaks in many places where it’s not just biased media reporting but actually happening then things change.  But I don’t see that happening and I just happen to think that Democrats are being fooled by these polls.  The ones where poll questions are provided in binary terms that lack the proper nuance of how people feel about going to work now or coming back “too soon”.   It’s a false dichotomy.

 

Of course if only given two options most will defer to the side of caution.    But what’s really at the heart of it is that it’s become political.  Orange man says we should get to work so the left and their allies in the media take the opposing position.

 

The support for keeping things closed That show up in the polls is a paper tiger.  The support to get back to work is real, these people are hurting, they are foot soldiers and they will show up at the polls.   
 

The CA special election was not a fluke.  The question for me is when will Dems realize this is a losing hand?  And they need to act soon on this because if they become Johnny come lately’s then they will be viewed as following Trump’s lead.

 

I’m not sure how they get out of this aside from having bad outbreaks in the fall.  And it’s hard not believing that in a sense they want that, why else have Katz who is a democratic operative lawyer and the Dems today people him up speaking of potential impending doom later on this year?

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

I could be wrong and if there ends up being outbreaks in many places where it’s not just biased media reporting but actually happening then things change.  But I don’t see that happening and I just happen to think that Democrats are being fooled by these polls.  The ones where poll questions are provided in binary terms that lack the proper nuance of how people feel about going to work now or coming back “too soon”.   It’s a false dichotomy.

 

Of course if only given two options most will defer to the side of caution.    But what’s really at the heart of it is that it’s become political.  Orange man says we should get to work so the left and their allies in the media take the opposing position.

 

The support for keeping things closed That show up in the polls is a paper tiger.  The support to get back to work is real, these people are hurting, they are foot soldiers and they will show up at the polls.   
 

The CA special election was not a fluke.  The question for me is when will Dems realize this is a losing hand?  And they need to act soon on this because if they become Johnny come lately’s then they will be viewed as following Trump’s lead.

 

I’m not sure how they get out of this aside from having bad outbreaks in the fall.  And it’s hard not believing that in a sense they want that, why else have Katz who is a democratic operative lawyer and the Dems today people him up speaking of potential impending doom later on this year?

 

100%  

 

 

[Magox]

Tucker Carlsons opening segment tonight was straight up ??

 

That was about as a compelling of a segment as I have seen in a while.   Talking exactly what we were just discussing @Deranged Rhino

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

"DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO DIE?!?!"

/s

Can I choose who? 

[keepthefaith]

20 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Can I choose who? 

let me know if you'd like help crafting a list.