plenzmd1 Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/6/2020 at 4:29 PM, GG said: Goat? Fruit? Did someone say Pan-demic? Coincidence? I think not. Expand Hmm, which brings us naturally to a discussion of this book https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/155516/jitterbug-perfume-by-tom-robbins/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jitterbug_Perfume Quote Plot summary[edit] A powerful and chiseled 8th-century king named Alobar narrowly escapes regicide at the hands of his own subjects, from a custom of killing the leader at the first sign of aging. After fleeing, no longer a king but only a man, he travels through Eurasia, on a newfound quest for the secret to longevity. Eventually he stumbles upon the stamping grounds of the pungent goat-god Pan, who is slowly losing his godly powers as the world turns toward Christianity. Pan encourages Alobar to continue East in search of the masters of immortality. Expand I am a huge Tom Robbins fan, and this is by far my favorite by him. 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/6/2020 at 3:03 AM, Buffalo_Gal said: Expand 2 4
Keukasmallies Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 I wonder if the judge metes out the same degree of adherance to the law to every individual brought before his court. I'm betting that he finds extenuating circumstances on a regular basis. Why not in this case, beats me; maybe he deemed her to be just too feisty for his liking.
Hedge Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/6/2020 at 3:31 AM, Buffalo_Gal said: That salon owner will be able to pay her fine and fight her conviction if she chooses. Her go fund me is over $125k. Expand And her GoFundMe is now approaching $300K. 2
Nanker Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/6/2020 at 4:29 PM, GG said: It's tangential to the question of what's more damaging - allowing the virus to spread more rapidly as you open up society or keep killing the economy by locking people up in their homes. We kind of know the USA's reported Wuhan mortality of 5.8%, with an estimated 0.5% "actual" rate based on the assumption that a much higher number was actually infected (at least 15% of the population). We also know what the deaths of despair (suicide, overdose, poisoning, etc) mortality rate is. There's also evidence that points to a causal relationship between economic downturns and increases in deaths of despair. So the question to answer is how bad will this thing get if you don't open up the economy? My guess is that the longer you wait the greater the toll, and it will surpass the Wuhan deaths, especially now that we have bent the curve. Goat? Fruit? Did someone say Pan-demic? Coincidence? I think not. Expand Eye sea whut ewe did their. 1
shoshin Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) Interesting tool from the RAND corporation. https://www.rand.org/pubs/tools/TLA173-1/tool.html Quote This tool supports decisionmakers in planning a recovery roadmap by estimating the effects of nonpharmaceutical interventions on health and economic outcomes. The tool also provides qualitative guidance on the efficacy, costs, and potential unintended consequences of a range of interventions. The tool draws on an epidemiological model and an economic model to estimate effects, based on evidence from past epidemics, peer-reviewed literature, and data from the current pandemic. Data on current impacts are updated daily where available. Expand Edited May 6, 2020 by shoshin
dubs Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/6/2020 at 7:21 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Expand It really is just that simple. Also, where is the role of the legislatures in this? I must have missed all the new laws being passed, but I guess at some point some law was passed giving governors and mayors broad discretion and authority to declare states of emergencies and do what they want. 2
shoshin Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/6/2020 at 7:14 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Expand Straw man argument is not productive. No one wants to close the country for years. 2
Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/6/2020 at 8:37 PM, shoshin said: Straw man argument is not productive. No one wants to close the country for years. Expand You sure about that? You haven't been paying attention to the past 20 if you really think that. 1
shoshin Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) On 5/6/2020 at 8:38 PM, Deranged Rhino said: You sure about that? You haven't been paying attention to the past 20 if you really think that. Expand Yes, I'm sure. There are the Twitter screamers probably and they are the wacky minority but every state's governor is talking about reopening plans. Trying to keep the comments in reality, not at the extremes. Trump is just playing to a segment of his base talking like that. Edited May 6, 2020 by shoshin
Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/6/2020 at 8:41 PM, shoshin said: Yes, I'm sure. There are the screamers and they are the minority. Every state's governor is talking about reopening plans. Expand You're certain there aren't people within various levels of government who wish to destroy this country and reform it into something different? ... come now. They're literally BRAGGING about it in the early days of this lockdown. 2
SoCal Deek Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/6/2020 at 8:37 PM, shoshin said: Straw man argument is not productive. No one wants to close the country for years. Expand Of course they don't....only until immediately after the first Tuesday in November! 1
3rdnlng Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/6/2020 at 8:41 PM, shoshin said: Yes, I'm sure. There are the Twitter screamers probably and they are the wacky minority but every state's governor is talking about reopening plans. Trying to keep the comments in reality, not at the extremes. Trump is just playing to a segment of his base talking like that. Expand Explain the actions of the VA Governor then.
shoshin Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/6/2020 at 8:43 PM, Deranged Rhino said: You're certain there aren't people within various levels of government who wish to destroy this country and reform it into something different? Expand You've not stuck to Trump's quote and now introduce some other theory. 56 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: ... come now. Expand So come now yourself. 56 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: They're literally BRAGGING about it in the early days of this lockdown. Expand There was an attempt to hijack $$ and legislation in many directions. Most unsuccessful. And NONE OF IT centered on Trump's multi-year shutdown quote. On 5/6/2020 at 9:25 PM, 3rdnlng said: Explain the actions of the VA Governor then. Expand Every state has an opening plan.
Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/6/2020 at 9:41 PM, shoshin said: You've not stuck to Trump's quote and now introduce some other theory. Expand Correct. I misread your initial post.
Magox Posted May 6, 2020 Author Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) On 5/6/2020 at 2:56 PM, Warren Zevon said: For sure - I'm mainly talking about legit studies that show the death rate because of a crashing economy. I haven't seen any of these but it's been a huge talking point. Expand What are you talking about? I have posted and cited at least 6 serological antibody tests from various respected universities, health departments and governments. The mortality rates range anywhere from .12% - .7% Even the anecdotal accounts in the meat packing plants and prisons which have large sample sizes in the thousands reinforce those findings. And there has also been compiled hospital data from the hospitals with the most COVID cases from NY, Boston and Italy that show the demographics of those that have been most effected. In the statistics thread there are economic impact studies on health. And other shut down related effects on health. Edited May 6, 2020 by Magox 1
plenzmd1 Posted May 6, 2020 Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/6/2020 at 7:14 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Expand i dont understand, outside of the beuracratic mess, why is there not a middle ground..high risk people stay home and shelter, the rest of us go about our business. The overall cost has to be much less even with the fraud that would occur.. On 5/6/2020 at 9:25 PM, 3rdnlng said: Explain the actions of the VA Governor then. Expand what actions? Please explain what actions you have issues with? 1 2
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