Super Tuesday Primaries 3/3

[LB3]

31 minutes ago, section122 said:

Sanders supporter here.  Bernie Bro I guess.  I'm fully expecting a Trump win this year.  There will be an absolute meltdown if the Dem candidate wins on this forum.  People are so absolutely sure Trump has it in the bag they mock any thought that a Dem could win.

I wouldn't call you a Bernie Bro. Those people a lunatics who froth at the mouth. You've shown yourself to be a rational thinker who has a different political view than most here. I really don't think there'd be a meltdown here but you could be right. I think Trump will win but wouldn't be shocked if he lost.

 

I'd be much more concerned if Biden won and picked Michelle for VP because I believe that would mean she'd be President for about 10 years. I think he'd step down after accomplishing his lifelong goal and pass the torch to someone he respects.

Edited March 4, 2020 by LBSeeBallLBGetBall

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I'll repeat what I said to you before.

 

Biden is more mentally fit than Trump.

 

 

Honest question:

 

You're over here chatting with everyone all the time.  The narrative has very clearly been that the Democratic party has shifted so far to the left, will inevitably elect Sanders the Socialist, ensuring Trump gets into office.  In the span of 24 hours that narrative has been pretty much flipped on its head with moderate Democratic voters across the country getting out to vote... outnumbering those "nutty Socialists."

 

Can you yet acknowledge that it's looking more and more possible that the thing that will primarily get voters out in November is to vote against Trump and the more moderate the candidate (Biden) the more Independents will be in that camp?

I never underestimate the ability of some people to vote as follows:

 

1.  They will vote for a candidate/platform that confiscates assets from the middle class and beyond because the rewards to them are sustaintial.  Since they can be given ×××, there is no need to work to earn xxx because it can be taken from another person. 

 

2.  They will vote for as much free $#!# as possible; 

 

3. They will vote against their own best interests due to failure to recognize the ramifications of their actions, out of some perverse self-loathing or guilt about their own station in life. 

 

4. They will pursue a platform that appeals to them on some level of righteousness while failing to acknowledge the incredible hypocrisy of their vote given their own lifestyle choices;

 

As a result, I believe it is entirely possible that voters will come out to vote against Trump as you have indicated. 

 

That said, Biden and Sanders have been battling back and forth in what is akin to towel snapping each other in the hs after 10th grade gym class.  The game changes when the nominee is chosen, and we move to the death match phase.   

 

Despite your protestations, Joe Biden is lugging around a whole bowl of cream o' wheat in the cavity that used to hold brain matter.  He stutters, falters, loses his place, forgets where he is, mutters things like "dog faced pony soldier" and often speaks like a British lefttenant lobbing insults at the Gerrys up the hill in WW2.  This is all occurring during what amounts to the warm up for the event that follows, and that event is a 50 mile race through the desert on a tricycle.  I don't criticize these people for miscues regardless of party, but Joe appears ravaged by the effects of aging and it seems to get worse by the week.  

 

Sanders...well, the people lost their collective minds over things like  Trump's "grab em" and the whispers of innuendo that Trump was a Russian operative, but that will pale in comparison to Sanders=Russia=Venezula=Cuba and literally IS a komrade from the old country and has been for decades.  

 

With luck, the Durham report comes out and a few Obama and Biden cronies heads roll, but if not, Trump will push forward anyways. 

 

I'm always cautious, had planned for a Cankles presidency and simply feel that when the ***** hits the fan for 2020, it'll be a scorched earth election.  To be honest, it is.  I see no moderate dem candidates in the race, and to be fair, if you consider yourself a moderate while opting to vote for Sanders if it plays out that way....no middle ground exists to be found anyway.

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Despite your protestations, Joe Biden is lugging around a whole bowl of cream o' wheat in the cavity that used to hold brain matter.  He stutters, falters, loses his place, forgets where he is, mutters things like "dog faced pony soldier" and often speaks like a British lefttenant lobbing insults at the Gerrys up the hill in WW2. 

 

 

Well done.

 

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

Come. Give Donald a break. At least he chose one of the 57 states. 

If only that guy could run again.  Damn term limits.

[LB3]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

If only that guy could run again.  Damn term limits.

Careful...

 

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, section122 said:

 

I see this is the angle people are going to take to attack Biden.  Hilariously people pretend that at 77 he is just soooo much older than Trump.  Trump has so many incoherent rants couldn't you say the same thing?  I googled Trump Dementia and Biden Dementia.  Surprise!  The left wing media claims Trump has it and the right wing media says Biden has it.

 

This is my shocked face.

 

Should have stuck with Creepy Uncle Joe that would be much more effective.  Although grab em by the p*ssy didn't really do anything to Trump so perhaps not...

 

 

Here's what it boils down to for me.

 

As much as Joe may not be what he once was--although complaints of his mental deterioration are a bit hyperbolic--the electorate disregarded the fact that Trump was caught on tape saying he consistently sexually assaults women.

 

Barring a heart attack or long hospital stay (which could possibly happen), the gaffes on the campaign trail and claims of dementia by the far-right will be overlooked by most of the electorate.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

I wouldn't call you a Bernie Bro. Those people a lunatics who froth at the mouth. You've shown yourself to be a rational thinker who has a different political view than most here. I really don't think there'd be a meltdown here but you could be right. I think Trump will win but wouldn't be shocked if he lost.

 

I'd be much more concerned if Biden won and picked Michelle for VP because I believe that would mean she'd be President for about 10 years. I think he'd step down after accomplishing his lifelong goal and pass the torch to someone he respects.

 

Oh man... I never even thought about Michelle as his VP.

 

If Biden picked Michelle as his VP and she accepted (frankly, I don't think she wants any part of politics), that would basically ensure Trump loses this Fall.

 

At that point, you actually would get voters out enthusiastically supporting the Democratic nominee and his running mate.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I never underestimate the ability of some people to vote as follows:

 

1.  They will vote for a candidate/platform that confiscates assets from the middle class and beyond because the rewards to them are sustaintial.  Since they can be given ×××, there is no need to work to earn xxx because it can be taken from another person. 

 

2.  They will vote for as much free $#!# as possible; 

 

3. They will vote against their own best interests due to failure to recognize the ramifications of their actions, out of some perverse self-loathing or guilt about their own station in life. 

 

4. They will pursue a platform that appeals to them on some level of righteousness while failing to acknowledge the incredible hypocrisy of their vote given their own lifestyle choices;

 

As a result, I believe it is entirely possible that voters will come out to vote against Trump as you have indicated. 

 

That said, Biden and Sanders have been battling back and forth in what is akin to towel snapping each other in the hs after 10th grade gym class.  The game changes when the nominee is chosen, and we move to the death match phase.   

 

Despite your protestations, Joe Biden is lugging around a whole bowl of cream o' wheat in the cavity that used to hold brain matter.  He stutters, falters, loses his place, forgets where he is, mutters things like "dog faced pony soldier" and often speaks like a British lefttenant lobbing insults at the Gerrys up the hill in WW2.  This is all occurring during what amounts to the warm up for the event that follows, and that event is a 50 mile race through the desert on a tricycle.  I don't criticize these people for miscues regardless of party, but Joe appears ravaged by the effects of aging and it seems to get worse by the week.  

 

Sanders...well, the people lost their collective minds over things like  Trump's "grab em" and the whispers of innuendo that Trump was a Russian operative, but that will pale in comparison to Sanders=Russia=Venezula=Cuba and literally IS a komrade from the old country and has been for decades.  

 

With luck, the Durham report comes out and a few Obama and Biden cronies heads roll, but if not, Trump will push forward anyways. 

 

I'm always cautious, had planned for a Cankles presidency and simply feel that when the ***** hits the fan for 2020, it'll be a scorched earth election.  To be honest, it is.  I see no moderate dem candidates in the race, and to be fair, if you consider yourself a moderate while opting to vote for Sanders if it plays out that way....no middle ground exists to be found anyway.

 

 

 

Despite your protestations, the American people overlooked Trump being caught on tape admitting to sexually assaulting women when he greets them.  

 

If they did that because they "wanted change," then they will overlook Joe's bats in the attic if they aren't happy with that change.

 

There's a reason Joe keeps throwing Obama's name out there every time he speaks publicly: it's going to get him elected.

 

8 years as Vice President to one of the most popular Presidents in history who's still INCREDIBLY popular and who was the most recent President before the new guy is literally the perfect opportunity for any Trump voter who now regrets his/her vote (and there are a lot of them out there, make no mistake) to go back to safe-ole-Joe, because they're familiar with him and they'll associate his new Presidency with the 8 years leading up to Trump.

 

I would vote for Sanders, but I really didn't want him as the Democratic candidate.  And I'm glad it's looking like he won't be.

[Teddy KGB]

13 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

If Biden picked Michelle as his VP and she accepted (frankly, I don't think she wants any part of politics), that would basically ensure Trump loses this Fall.

 

[LB3]

19 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Oh man... I never even thought about Michelle as his VP.

 

If Biden picked Michelle as his VP and she accepted (frankly, I don't think she wants any part of politics), that would basically ensure Trump loses this Fall.

 

At that point, you actually would get voters out enthusiastically supporting the Democratic nominee and his running mate.

Agreed. Tons of people love the Obamas despite how bad he was for them and the country.

[IDBillzFan]

48 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Here's what it boils down to for me.

 

As much as Joe may not be what he once was--although complaints of his mental deterioration are a bit hyperbolic--the electorate disregarded the fact that Trump was caught on tape saying he consistently sexually assaults women.

 

Barring a heart attack or long hospital stay (which could possibly happen), the gaffes on the campaign trail and claims of dementia by the far-right will be overlooked by most of the electorate.

 

Trump didn't win because the claims by the far left about him being an unhinged ps$$iegrabber were overlooked by most of the electorate.

 

Trump won because the media thought it would be a good idea to air every single moment of every single Trump rally while, simultaneously, Hillary couldn't scale a flight of stairs up OR down, all while calling Trump's people 'deplorable.'' By the time she finished  ignoring the flyover states so she could collect her coastal donations, she proved herself to be one of the single most unlikable candidates in years.

 

All you're doing with Biden (and even Bernie) is swapping one white hot mess of a candidate for another. You all should have gotten behind Tulsi when you had the chance.

Edited March 5, 2020 by IDBillzFan

[LB3]

@transplantbillsfan Every time you post about how much everyone hates Trump, it makes me think of this clip.

 

[Deranged Rhino]

24 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

There's a reason Joe keeps throwing Obama's name out there every time he speaks publicly: it's going to get him elected.

 

Narrator: "It didn't get him elected."

[Azalin]

14 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Trump didn't win because the claims by the far left about him being an unhinged ps$$iegrabber were overlooked by most of the electorate.

 

Trump won because the media thought it would be a good idea to air every single moment of every single Trump rally while, simultaneously, Hillary couldn't scale a flight of stairs up OR down, all while calling Trump's people 'deplorable.'' By the time she finished  ignoring the flyover states so she could collect her coastal donations, she proved herself to be one of the single most unlikable candidates in years.

 

All you're doing with Biden (and even Bernie) is swapping one white hot mess of a candidate for another. You all should have gotten behind Tulsi when you had the chance.

 

Exactly. I'd add that he won that election before having any kind of track record as a politician. Now he can run on reduced regulations, lower taxes, improved economy, fatter IRAs and 401Ks, and all his judicial appointments.

 

I completely agree about Gabbard, too. The socialist wave sweeping the democrats nudged her and anyone like her too far into the margins.

[LB3]

19 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Narrator: "It didn't get him elected."

I can't read this without hearing the Idiocracy narrator saying it. ??

[Taro T]

26 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Narrator: "It didn't get him elected."

 

5 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

I can't read this without hearing the Idiocracy narrator saying it. ??

 

Funny.  Can't stop hearing it in "L'il Opie Cunninghan's" voice. 

Edited March 5, 2020 by Taro T

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Here's what it boils down to for me.

 

As much as Joe may not be what he once was--although complaints of his mental deterioration are a bit hyperbolic--the electorate disregarded the fact that Trump was caught on tape saying he consistently sexually assaults women.

 

Barring a heart attack or long hospital stay (which could possibly happen), the gaffes on the campaign trail and claims of dementia by the far-right will be overlooked by most of the electorate.

Trump never said that. Get your facts straight or provide a link.

[section122]

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

(Just trimmed for space purposes) 

 

The difference isn’t a number, it’s energy. Trump has 100x the energy Joe does. He can (and does) speak to large crowds for 2 hours, multiple times in a day. Joe can’t hang like that. He gets tired during debates. 
 

Put them on stage together, and the difference will be stark. Joe has no prayer of keeping up with Trump. 
 

As an aside, based on your Bernie Bro comment, you’re in SoCal right? (Forgive me if you’re not or don’t wish to disclose). But if you are, do you REALLY believe Bernie supporters will go with Joe without a major fight? The ones I interact with out here do NOT agree. 

 

 

He’s not a political insider, a beltway insider, and ran a campaign which threatened the money flow for the globalists in DC and their establishment sacred cows. Running on promises is one thing, lots run w big promises (Take Obama who I voted for) then fall into line once in office and stick with the status quo.
 

Trump not only ran on things which endangered the establishment’s grip on the wheel of power and their pocketbook, but he followed through. 
 

One is not like the other. 

 

Im on mobile now so my quote is a little screwed up lol.

 

I agree with you that Trump has an energy to him and would destroy Biden in debates just like he did Hillary. They are too proper and try to debate like politicians do.  Trump doesn't play by the rules they are used to and I don't think Biden is good on his feet.  Bernie challenged him to a 1 hour healthcare Debate which will be very interesting to me.  

 

I'm upstate NY.  I'm on an island as a Bernie supporter lol.  Many dems are relieved they can vote for Biden.  The Bernie supporters I do know I think would support Biden.  Again though only if there isn't a screw job.  If i feel there is a screw job I won't vote Biden either.  

 

The second part we just have to agree to disagree.  Sure he might have upset the Clinton dynasty but by the time he was the republican candidate and eventually the winner he had full support of the repubs.  A lot of rich people made a lot more money during his presidency.  They weren't mad to see the dem train stopped and derailed.  It just feels like you are taking standard party politics and making it a grander conspiracy with Trump as some white knight here to save us and dismantle the cabal.  I just don't see that.  I see the dems throwing a fit bc they thought they had 16 in the bag.  They had been planning it since 08 and couldn't believe it was foiled by Trump of all people!

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Oh man... I never even thought about Michelle as his VP.

 

If Biden picked Michelle as his VP and she accepted (frankly, I don't think she wants any part of politics), that would basically ensure Trump loses this Fall.

 

At that point, you actually would get voters out enthusiastically supporting the Democratic nominee and his running mate.

 

I wouldn't vote for a ticket with michele obama.  Being first lady isn't a qualifier for the vp.  I would actually hate it lol.

[LB3]

6 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

I'm upstate NY.  I'm on an island as a Bernie supporter lol.  Many dems are relieved they can vote for Biden.  The Bernie supporters I do know I think would support Biden.  Again though only if there isn't a screw job.  If i feel there is a screw job I won't vote Biden either.  

I think you and I both live in the same area ?. Judging by my office and campus, I dont think you're on an island. Hell. Most of my friends and coworkers don't know I support Trump. I just tell them I'm not into politics to shut down their rants. Different strokes I guess. Nice to see we all feel like we're on an island. ?

[3rdnlng]

Bernie Supporters

Don’t think of it as “losing”. Think of it as having your hopes and dreams redistributed for the common good of all Democrats, equally.