The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

For some of those (heart attacks and strokes), they are brought on by activity and stress. Other things too. Those are the deaths that have been decreasing. 

 

You don't think there is an increase in stress on millions of Americans who are on lockdown, being told everyday that they could die from this virus, or who lost their jobs and are in trouble, financially? 

 

I'm sorry, this idea that Covid deaths are being under reported isn't supported by the numbers or by official statements of how they are being counted.

[Buffalo_Gal]

3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

We talking Trump or China?

Huh?

[1B4IDye]

35 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

So we've moved from the virus started in:

 

Bats

to

Wet markets

to

Europe...

 

Don’t forget the pangolins. They would never forget you.

So sad ? 

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Huh?

Right out of Trumps playbook to never take responsibility or admit any kind of mistake. China just followed his lead. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

Right out of Trumps playbook to never take responsibility or admit any kind of mistake. China just followed his lead. 

Don't make me hate you.

 

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Don't make me hate you.

 

Just read that post of yours, substitute Trump for China... tell me where I am wrong?

[shoshin]

13 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

You don't think there is an increase in stress on millions of Americans who are on lockdown, being told everyday that they could die from this virus, or who lost their jobs and are in trouble, financially? 

 

I'm sorry, this idea that Covid deaths are being under reported isn't supported by the numbers or by official statements of how they are being counted.

 

Physical stress, as I'm sure you understood, is often the immediate predecessor to a heart attack.  

 

Read my post, the article in the link, or the paper within the article for info on the Covid undercounting problem. 

[Kemp]

15 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

You don't think there is an increase in stress on millions of Americans who are on lockdown, being told everyday that they could die from this virus, or who lost their jobs and are in trouble, financially? 

 

I'm sorry, this idea that Covid deaths are being under reported isn't supported by the numbers or by official statements of how they are being counted.

 

Some people have not a clue. They make things up, just like their master.

[plenzmd1]

32 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

No. Hospitals are seeing much fewer deaths from heart disease complications and strokes while people sit at home. 

 

I have not seen the same evidence from cancer deaths decreasing. 

 

Yea, I am not buying that at all. But even if that is true, stands to reason those folks will be dropping like flies after sting on their ass eating takout and drinking a twelve pack everyday for 2 months

[Nanker]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Yea, I am not buying that at all. But even if that is true, stands to reason those folks will be dropping like flies after sting on their ass eating takout and drinking a twelve pack everyday for 2 months

I believe we need clinical trials to study that. 

[Deranged Rhino]

3 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Some people have not a clue. They make things up, just like their master.

 

The irony in this statement is so high it broke the internet. 

[billsfan1959]

17 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Physical stress, as I'm sure you understood, is often the immediate predecessor to a heart attack.  

 

Read my post, the article in the link, or the paper within the article for info on the Covid undercounting problem. 

 

I have read plenty of articles and I have listened to experts. If you want to believe that the absence of a decrease in all other deaths because of a lockdown means Covid deaths are being underreported, be my guest. The overwhelming majority of information does not support that conclusion.

 

16 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Some people have not a clue. They make things up, just like their master.

 

 

Edited May 2, 2020 by billsfan1959

[Boatdrinks]

So heart attacks and stroke deaths have gone down dramatically because folks are sitting on their collective arse? Who knew? Car crashes have probably gone down precipitously as well. Wouldn’t have thought that sloth and being shut in all day were great for heart disease, but maybe we’re onto something with the lockdowns. If they were continued for a year, think of how many lives could be saved ! An area in South Florida reported they had no murders over a 15 day period , so we can reduce crime too. Seriously, though who in their right mind thinks that Covid 19 deaths are being undercounted ? Sound like leftist drivel, kind of like their Corona models that didn’t materialize. Meanwhile, in NY the Covid body count multiplies - Medicaid pays hospitals over twice the rate for Covid deaths as it does for any other cause. Something doesn’t quite add up, but we’re not undercounting Covid deaths. Doesn’t the left argue that the US has the worst numbers in the world with regards to the Wuhan virus ? Now the numbers don’t support continuing lockdowns, so we must be undercounting the death rate; ridiculous. 

[Nanker]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

So heart attacks and stroke deaths have gone down dramatically because folks are sitting on their collective arse? Who knew? Car crashes have probably gone down precipitously as well. Wouldn’t have thought that sloth and being shut in all day were great for heart disease, but maybe we’re onto something with the lockdowns. If they were continued for a year, think of how many lives could be saved ! An area in South Florida reported they had no murders over a 15 day period , so we can reduce crime too. Seriously, though who in their right mind thinks that Covid 19 deaths are being undercounted ? Sound like leftist drivel, kind of like their Corona models that didn’t materialize. Meanwhile, in NY the Covid body count multiplies - Medicaid pays hospitals over twice the rate for Covid deaths as it does for any other cause. Something doesn’t quite add up, but we’re not undercounting Covid deaths. Doesn’t the left argue that the US has the worst numbers in the world with regards to the Wuhan virus ? Now the numbers don’t support continuing lockdowns, so we must be undercounting the death rate; ridiculous. 

We're all gonna die from the Wuhan Virus. Trust me. It may take eighty or ninety years, but the cause of death will be Wuhan Virus, or Wuhan Virus-related. 

[shoshin]

18 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

So heart attacks and stroke deaths have gone down dramatically because folks are sitting on their collective arse? Who knew? Car crashes have probably gone down precipitously as well. Wouldn’t have thought that sloth and being shut in all day were great for heart disease, but maybe we’re onto something with the lockdowns. If they were continued for a year, think of how many lives could be saved ! An area in South Florida reported they had no murders over a 15 day period , so we can reduce crime too. Seriously, though who in their right mind thinks that Covid 19 deaths are being undercounted ? Sound like leftist drivel, kind of like their Corona models that didn’t materialize. Meanwhile, in NY the Covid body count multiplies - Medicaid pays hospitals over twice the rate for Covid deaths as it does for any other cause. Something doesn’t quite add up, but we’re not undercounting Covid deaths. Doesn’t the left argue that the US has the worst numbers in the world with regards to the Wuhan virus ? Now the numbers don’t support continuing lockdowns, so we must be undercounting the death rate; ridiculous. 

 

You're missing the point. Reopening has to happen, and quickly, but the virus will be there and case counts will go up along with deaths when we do.

[3rdnlng]

The hospitals are hurting for money due to the shutdown of elective surgeries. After all, that is their money tree that supports the normal Medicare/Medicaid patients that they don't make a profit on. With the feds giving out a standard $13,000 for each Covid-19 death and a cool $39,000 if they were on a ventilator I can see where the cause of death is fudged. As it stands, every possible death that can be attributed to the virus is going to be done so. Therefore the death totals for Covid-19 are going to be magnified. 

[Kemp]

9 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

You're missing the point. Reopening has to happen, and quickly, but the virus will be there and case counts will go up along with deaths when we do.

 

That's logic.

 

Logic is frowned upon.

[Boatdrinks]

7 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

You're missing the point. Reopening has to happen, and quickly, but the virus will be there and case counts will go up along with deaths when we do.

I am in complete agreement that the virus will continue to be present and would expect case counts to go up. 

1 minute ago, Kemp said:

 

That's logic.

 

Logic is frowned upon.

It actually what many of us have been saying all along.... you must’ve missed it. 

[SoCal Deek]

I’m confused. If people want to stay home, why don’t they just stay home, shut the hell up, and leave the rest of us alone! If it’s true that they’re safe in their houses, with their measly government check, and their Obama phones....what the f$&k do they care if I’m sitting in the sun on a beach somewhere?

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m confused. If people want to stay home, why don’t they just stay home, shut the hell up, and leave the rest of us alone! If it’s true that they’re safe in their houses, with their measly government check, and their Obama phones....what the f$&k do they care if I’m sitting in the sun on a beach somewhere?

Because how dare you ! We must all be terrified, shut into our homes and zooming. At least until the November election, before which experts will agree nothing is safe.