The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[shoshin]

45 minutes ago, Magox said:

Sweden appears to be heading towards herd immunity.

 

 

 

They aren't there yet and there would still need to be lots more infections for that to happen but as of right now their medical systems have not been overrun so that each patient can't get the care they need, at least from the reports I have read.     

 

The new cases are beginning to flatten but the deaths are beginning to go up, as the deaths are a lagging indicator.  So I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to tighten up even more if the pressure mounts.

 

That study was withdrawn for a pretty catastrophic reason. 

 

Now it has emerged that the researchers cannot rule out that a smaller proportion of blood samples were made on people who had covid-19, who donated blood to produce plasma for the treatment of covid patients.

 

Talk about a pretty serious "oh *****" moment for a researcher on a critical study. Hopefully they can replicate it once it's cleaned up. Wash State has, I believe, the definitively biggest test ongoing on this topic. Germany has a big one happening too. Those will be the bigger data sets to look for. 

 

(Sorry that you have to use the translate function)

Edited April 22, 2020 by shoshin

[Magox]

5 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

That study was withdrawn for a pretty catastrophic reason. 

 

Now it has emerged that the researchers cannot rule out that a smaller proportion of blood samples were made on people who had covid-19, who donated blood to produce plasma for the treatment of covid patients.

 

(Sorry that you have to use the translate function)

 

Here was their conclusion:

 

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- We also do not know if there is any error in the estimate, but we also can not guarantee that it is not so, so it is important to tell about it, says Jan Alberts. 

 

I read they will be doing more of these antibody tests, we should be finding out more soon but based off of all the other antibody studies that have recently come out and that their relatively loose social-safety measures.  11% in Stockholm, seems to fall right in line.  I would venture to guess that the studies that come in will end up being right around where this one showed.

[shoshin]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

 

11% in Stockholm, seems to fall right in line.  I would venture to guess that the studies that come in will end up being right around where this one showed.

 

That would be amazing both in rapid spread of the virus and amazing results. The Germany and WA studies will be more definitive. I'm sure there are a million other studies happening on bigger scales as this is a critical number to estimate.  

[IYKYK]

17 hours ago, North Buffalo said:

Dont really care Rump uses the term anytime he doesnt like or have an answer to a question... whatever.

Rump? What are you? Two years old? Grow the ***** up!

[Kemp]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/04/19/report-americans-at-world-health-organization-told-trump-administration-about-coronavirus-late-last-year/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[Magox]

Just now, shoshin said:

 

That would be amazing both in rapid spread of the virus and amazing results. The Germany and WA studies will be more definitive. I'm sure there are a million other studies happening on bigger scales as this is a critical number to estimate.  

 

You can see, it's beginning to happen.  I imagine over the course of the next couple months we will probably be reading of at least 20 more of these studies.   Truth be told, I wouldn't be surprised if Stockholm is beyond 11% at this point.  

 

 

[GG]

5 minutes ago, Kemp said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/04/19/report-americans-at-world-health-organization-told-trump-administration-about-coronavirus-late-last-year/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

What information did the WHO US scientists transmit back to the CDC?   

 

Why did CDC scientists insist that everything was fine through February 2020?

[Kemp]

So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that! - Trump

 

1/22

 

President Donald Trump said today the U.S. has a deadly Chinese coronavirus “totally under control” and there are no worries of a pandemic.

[Gary M]

35 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I haven't gone to the supermarket much, but has produce/fruits gone down in price?  Is it really better to just plow over the product than it is to try to lower prices to move it? 

 

If no one is going to the stores lowering the price won't make it move faster, produce has a shelf life.

17 minutes ago, Kemp said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/04/19/report-americans-at-world-health-organization-told-trump-administration-about-coronavirus-late-last-year/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

That is a horrible article, Links to links to links

[daz28]

3 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

If no one is going to the stores lowering the price won't make it move faster, produce has a shelf life.

I figured with restaurants only doing take-out(which I'm personally leery of), and supermarkets still open, that it would still move.  Maybe people don't know how to cook, and are buying mainly frozen food? It's just a little perplexing to me

[shoshin]

17 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

You can see, it's beginning to happen.  I imagine over the course of the next couple months we will probably be reading of at least 20 more of these studies.   Truth be told, I wouldn't be surprised if Stockholm is beyond 11% at this point.  

 

 

 

No good study yet really. The handful of ones so far show the same result, which is good, but all were small and had significant faults. None quite as bad as, "We may have mixed in blood donated because it was known to have covid antipbodies" but other problems nonetheless.  

 

We know there are more cases than have been tested, both that are/were symptomatic and those that are/were asymptomatic. What that number is we don't know. I hope it's high as f###. 

[GG]

23 minutes ago, Kemp said:

So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that! - Trump

 

1/22

 

President Donald Trump said today the U.S. has a deadly Chinese coronavirus “totally under control” and there are no worries of a pandemic.

 

Hi drive by idiot.  How about answering a single question of the dribble you like to post here?

[meazza]

2 hours ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

“And when I’ve said this to others, they kind of put their head back, they don’t understand what I mean.”

 

Looks like he hit the nail on the head with you.

It’s obvious what he means but by fall, we should hopefully have some therapeutics in place to reduce the impact.  
 

Hopefully people will get their flu vaccine.

[Foxx]

24 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I figured with restaurants only doing take-out(which I'm personally leery of), and supermarkets still open, that it would still move.  Maybe people don't know how to cook, and are buying mainly frozen food? It's just a little perplexing to me

before all this 'rona crap hit the fan, the average consumption of food was 45% in home and 55% outside of home. now couple the fear of going to the grocery store that probably results in a once every two weeks or so venture, yes, consumption of fresh produce is way down.

[IDBillzFan]

I really wish the drive-bys would take some time to read this thread from the beginning so they'd stop repeating the same stupid questions and observations that were debunked eighteen times already over the last month alone.

 

 

[daz28]

Just now, Foxx said:

before all this 'rona crap hit the fan, the average consumption of food was 45% in home and 55% outside of home. now couple the fear of going to the grocery store that probably results in a once every two weeks or so venture, yes, consumption of fresh produce is way down.

I'm way more afraid of take-out than I am of a 20 minute trip to the grocery store every 2 weeks, but that's just me.  Also, I'm an awesome cook.  Maybe people are afraid that people were picking through the produce and handling it a lot??  Also a lot of it is not cooked, and they don't want to wipe their produce with disinfectant wipes?

[Magox]

29 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

No good study yet really. The handful of ones so far show the same result, which is good, but all were small and had significant faults. None quite as bad as, "We may have mixed in blood donated because it was known to have covid antipbodies" but other problems nonetheless.  

 

We know there are more cases than have been tested, both that are/were symptomatic and those that are/were asymptomatic. What that number is we don't know. I hope it's high as f###. 

 

We'll disagree on what the studies are telling us.  My assumption all along was that we were around a .25% - .5% Mortality rate and Scott Gottlieb seems to believe we are underreporting by a factor of X 10 to X 20, which would put us on the lower end of my assumptions.

[Foxx]

9 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I'm way more afraid of take-out than I am of a 20 minute trip to the grocery store every 2 weeks, but that's just me.  Also, I'm an awesome cook.  Maybe people are afraid that people were picking through the produce and handling it a lot??  Also a lot of it is not cooked, and they don't want to wipe their produce with disinfectant wipes?

well... just an observation here but, after being at the grocery store yesterday, it seems pretty evident that the quality of the produce in the stores is significantly degrading. it is like the stuff is older than it normally would be and therefore prone to spoilage much sooner. if i am having to dig deep into a display to find something firm, you know others are having to do the same and how many hands exactly have touched the produce i am bringing home? not sure if 'rona survives on produce or for how long but you can be sure others are afraid of this as well.

[Kemp]

17 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Hi drive by idiot.  How about answering a single question of the dribble you like to post here?

 

No need to ever answer questions from members of a cult.

 

All I did was post the words of your cult leader. You know, the leader who has been patting himself on the back since he learned to talk.

 

First he tells the terminally stupid that there will not be a pandemic. A month or two later, he tells you that he knew it would be a pandemic before everyone else.

 

Then, the cult members tell us that he tells it like it is. I understand that you're in a cult and can't process reality, so you just keep yelling and creating a reality that exists only in your brains.

 

The oddest thing about the cult members is that if Trump does a 180, so do they. I suppose, in a cult, what other choice is there?

 

[daz28]

12 minutes ago, Foxx said:

well... just an observation here but, after being at the grocery store yesterday, it seems pretty evident that the quality of the produce in the stores is significantly degrading. it is like the stuff is older than it normally would be and therefore prone to spoilage much sooner. if i am having to dig deep into a display to find something firm, you know others are having to do the same and how many hands exactly have touched the produce i am bringing home? not sure if 'rona survives on produce or for how long but you can be sure others are afraid of this as well.

Maybe start packaging the produce until people gain confidence.  Anything seems better than just tilling it back into the soil.