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10 minutes ago, snafu said:

Reporting someone stealing a car: ok

Reporting someone selling heroin: ok

Reporting someone playing loud music at midnight: ok

Reporting someone fudging their taxes: ok

Reporting someone driving drunk who hit a child: ok

Reporting someone spreading a deadly virus: SNITCH!

 

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Hello everyone, and I had the opportunity to visit Cassandra at Buffalo Children's today. As mentioned she is off the Ecmo machine and doing most of the work. It will take some time for her to heal. S

I have stayed away from this forum for a long time, and most know my politics...tonight was important for our country. Trump was up to it so far. Fantastic job.     

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8 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Reporting someone stealing a car: ok

Reporting someone selling heroin: ok

Reporting someone playing loud music at midnight: ok

Reporting someone fudging their taxes: ok

Reporting someone driving drunk who hit a child: ok

Reporting someone spreading a deadly virus: SNITCH!

 

 

Yes, I just reported seeing these guys at Gristedes. Look at that cloud of covid they’re  kicking up!

 

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1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Are you a doctor? An infectious disease expert? A scientist of any kind?

 

Why is it that all the experts disagree with your careless piss-in-the-wind attitude?

 

This pandemic is really exposing how disturbing and misguided the populist movement as a whole really is with its wild mistrust of "elites" and "experts" and "science," and the constant and grating cherry-picking populists do to demonstrate why ALL of it is bad.

 

Just because your Meteorologist told you it would be a sunny day and it's raining doesn't mean no one should believe their weather man.

 

Pretty clearly, we need the elites, the experts, and the scientists. They know what they're doing and have earned these titles typically through years of experience and wisdom that you simply don't have, unless you answered yes to any of the questions above.

 

So go back to playing Go-fish or Jenga and let the experts provide guidance on how to open the Country.

 

Or just move to Georgia.

 

The Governor there sounds like your kinda guy. You can go back out to movies and the gym again and even get a haircut. Who cares what those experts say, right?

 

 

 

Some of you are going to be absolutely pulling your testicle hair out in the next handful of years as the country incorporates more progressive policies, which is almost an inevitability at this point once Trump is voted out of office in November. And looks more and more likely it'll be a blue Senate, too.

 

But no, you don't just carelessly throw lives away the way some of you want. Amazing that's been the push from Faux News and its allies in conservative media.

 

Just a well-oiled stupid machine over there.

Are you a doctor or scientist ? Infectious disease expert, Mr Transplant Jengafish? Scientists and Medical experts are just that; they’re not economists. Those are two different things. Just what medical experts say that Coronavirus is going away any time soon ? That an effective vaccine is imminent ? And what “ progressive policies” are you referring to? Mass transit to spread disease? Less people working and more on Government assistance , to go with less freedom ?  What did people do in America when there were no vaccines for a lot of diseases ? Fortunately for all of us ( yes, even “ progressives”) our previous generations were not going to live in fear and let the government limit their daily lives. Trump will be re-elected in November, but don’t worry. You’ll still be free to hide under a rock until you feel it’s safe to come out. 

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13 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Reporting someone stealing a car: ok

Reporting someone selling heroin: ok

Reporting someone playing loud music at midnight: ok

Reporting someone fudging their taxes: ok

Reporting someone driving drunk who hit a child: ok

Reporting someone spreading a deadly virus: SNITCH!

 

We must assume that everyone we see or meet could be spreading a virus. Because they might be , unknowingly. Don’t fall for government schemes to restrict all of our movement by turning on each other. That’s just a Democrat scheme to take power and devolve the nation into Socialism. Consider the source: DeBlasio. This nitwit wants prison cells to have a kitchenette and individual Air Conditioning - that’s something many honest Americans in his city can’t afford for themselves. He expressed surprise that criminals he released due to Coronavirus concerns got arrested on new charges in short order. The man is a moron. 

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4 hours ago, Kemp said:

 

Was he right when he said there were 5 cases but the number would just go back to zero?

 

If so, boy am I relieved. All these stories about Americans dying must be bull from the Lamestream media.

No, it’s real. No one knew the extent of this except China. They lied. The reported numbers are real, and President Trump talks about them daily at his press briefings. Do you believe him when he gives the updates, or do you just go with what they tell you on CNN ? 

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2 hours ago, daz28 said:

Pneumonia is hard to treat, and with rona it can go from bad to worse real fast.  I'm hoping for testing that will at least take those infected out of the equation as much and as fast as possible.  No one knows much right now, so we can only hope to mitigate it as much as possible.  Like shoshin said, cold weather could elevate this to another level, so all possible measures had better be in place by then.

I believe we already have that type of testing. At least we do in Erie County; anyone with symptoms will be tested through their provider or through the County if they don’t have one. They must immediately quarantine once tested. They should quarantine if they even have symptoms. However , there are a lot more asymptomatic individuals that are infected and contagious. Probably many times more than the number of known cases. That’s a much more difficult issue, and I’m not sure there’s any way to do a lot about it. 

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21 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

We must assume that everyone we see or meet could be spreading a virus. Because they might be , unknowingly. Don’t fall for government schemes to restrict all of our movement by turning on each other. That’s just a Democrat scheme to take power and devolve the nation into Socialism. Consider the source: DeBlasio. This nitwit wants prison cells to have a kitchenette and individual Air Conditioning - that’s something many honest Americans in his city can’t afford for themselves. He expressed surprise that criminals he released due to Coronavirus concerns got arrested on new charges in short order. The man is a moron. 

I'm just trying to protect myself, my friends and family and fellow humans.  One of the biggest mistakes made was saying the quarantine was to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed.  I can't imagine what would have happened without the quarantine, or how much worse the toll would have been.  I don't consider reporting someone who's being reckless as "turning on them".  If I reported the Gestapo rounding up Jews, and it stopped it, I'd consider myself a hero, not a snitch.  As for DeBlasio and the Democrat's socialist conspiracy, well I don't care about any of that nonsense. 

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I believe we already have that type of testing. At least we do in Erie County; anyone with symptoms will be tested through their provider or through the County if they don’t have one. They must immediately quarantine once tested. They should quarantine if they even have symptoms. However , there are a lot more asymptomatic individuals that are infected and contagious. Probably many times more than the number of known cases. That’s a much more difficult issue, and I’m not sure there’s any way to do a lot about it. 

There is criterion as to whom gets tested.  There currently isn't enough testing to test all with symptoms, but to return to normal we will need to have an abundance of testing.

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3 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I'm just trying to protect myself, my friends and family and fellow humans.  One of the biggest mistakes made was saying the quarantine was to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed.  I can't imagine what would have happened without the quarantine, or how much worse the toll would have been.  I don't consider reporting someone who's being reckless as "turning on them".  If I reported the Gestapo rounding up Jews, and it stopped it, I'd consider myself a hero, not a snitch.  As for DeBlasio and the Democrat's socialist conspiracy, well I don't care about any of that nonsense. 

There is criterion as to whom gets tested.  There currently isn't enough testing to test all with symptoms, but to return to normal we will need to have an abundance of testing.

Reckless, sure. I get that, but I’d probably say something to them personally before anything else.As for testing ,  I believe the only criterion as of two days ago in Erie County is to have symptoms. That was a change from previous criteria. You now only need to show symptoms, and they have plenty of tests according to the County Exec. 

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7 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Reckless, sure. I get that, but I’d probably say something to them personally before anything else.As for testing ,  I believe the only criterion as of two days ago in Erie County is to have symptoms. That was a change from previous criteria. You now only need to show symptoms, and they have plenty of tests according to the County Exec. 

I haven't reported anyone, and I probably won't unless it's people being really dumb. As for the test, I meant nationwide.  On my hockey forum a lot of people with symptoms didn't get a test.  I have no idea locally how many tests we have, but that's good news if we do have enough.  The bad news is that some areas will not have enough, while others have too many.  I have heard Texas has way more tests than they need.  

 

This is also a problem:

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/10/laredo-texas-coronavirus-tests-did-not-work/

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8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

New single day high in deaths although it may be lagged reporting from weekend.  I'm hoping this is the plateau. 

 

 

 

Seems like cases are under-reported on weekends. Then Monday comes and BAM. I wish I could say things are looking up, bit I just dont see it.

 

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9 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

It appears the number of actual cases/ infections are extremely underreported. The death numbers are even more skewed by NYC and NJ , where the fatalities are much higher than other regions. People are going to continue to take precautions, so I don’t think that number of deaths is anywhere near a certainty. Hopefully there are effective treatments long before a vaccine. 


Yesterday was another new high that got in the ballpark of 3000 deaths. That’s with distancing measures in place and a healthcare system shut down so it can focus on this. And in spite of NY/NJ taking up less of the total than they have in many weeks. 
 

There appears to be a weather component but barring a serious treatment breakthrough, the fall will be worse than now. And that is a near certainty unless we have accurate serological testing, track contacts with precision, and are ready to shut down regions when they outbreak. We won’t get to will this away because we want to work, and I sure do. 
 

1 hour ago, Golden Goat said:

 

Seems like cases are under-reported on weekends. Then Monday comes and BAM. I wish I could say things are looking up, bit I just dont see it.

 


This is real but the cases don’t drop off a lot. We are in the midst of a leveling out at 2000-2500 per day. No sign of decline on deaths yet. 

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8 hours ago, Chef Jim said:


I don’t get much time to read her notes but I did I’d much rather read her notes than listen to Donny Boy. 

So you dont read her notes and you dont listen to Don soooooo.....you are informed how? A different third party reporting? Better to hear the whole story from the source no?

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8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Are you a doctor? An infectious disease expert? A scientist of any kind?

 

Why is it that all the experts disagree with your careless piss-in-the-wind attitude?

 

This pandemic is really exposing how disturbing and misguided the populist movement as a whole really is with its wild mistrust of "elites" and "experts" and "science," and the constant and grating cherry-picking populists do to demonstrate why ALL of it is bad.

 

Just because your Meteorologist told you it would be a sunny day and it's raining doesn't mean no one should believe their weather man.

 

Pretty clearly, we need the elites, the experts, and the scientists. They know what they're doing and have earned these titles typically through years of experience and wisdom that you simply don't have, unless you answered yes to any of the questions above.

 

So go back to playing Go-fish or Jenga and let the experts provide guidance on how to open the Country.

 

Or just move to Georgia.

 

The Governor there sounds like your kinda guy. You can go back out to movies and the gym again and even get a haircut. Who cares what those experts say, right?

 

 

 

Some of you are going to be absolutely pulling your testicle hair out in the next handful of years as the country incorporates more progressive policies, which is almost an inevitability at this point once Trump is voted out of office in November. And looks more and more likely it'll be a blue Senate, too.

 

But no, you don't just carelessly throw lives away the way some of you want. Amazing that's been the push from Faux News and its allies in conservative media.

 

Just a well-oiled stupid machine over there.

 

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7 hours ago, daz28 said:

I'm just trying to protect myself, my friends and family and fellow humans.  One of the biggest mistakes made was saying the quarantine was to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed.  I can't imagine what would have happened without the quarantine, or how much worse the toll would have been.  I don't consider reporting someone who's being reckless as "turning on them".  If I reported the Gestapo rounding up Jews, and it stopped it, I'd consider myself a hero, not a snitch.  As for DeBlasio and the Democrat's socialist conspiracy, well I don't care about any of that nonsense. 

There is criterion as to whom gets tested.  There currently isn't enough testing to test all with symptoms, but to return to normal we will need to have an abundance of testing.

 

Because someone violating social distancing is the same as the torture and murder of millions of people under a deliberate, systematic genocide

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CDC director warns second wave of coronavirus is likely to be even more devastating

 

Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, testifies about coronavirus preparedness to the House Government Oversight and Reform Committee in March. (Joshua Roberts/Reuters) Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, testifies about coronavirus preparedness to the House Government Oversight and Reform Committee in March. (Joshua Roberts/Reuters)

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April 21, 2020 at 6:41 p.m. EDT

Even as states move ahead with plans to reopen their economies, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned Tuesday that a second wave of the novel coronavirus will be far more dire because it is likely to coincide with the start of flu season.

“There’s a possibility that the assault of the virus on our nation next winter will actually be even more difficult than the one we just went through,” CDC Director Robert Redfield said in an interview with The Washington Post. “And when I’ve said this to others, they kind of put their head back, they don’t understand what I mean.”

“We’re going to have the flu epidemic and the coronavirus epidemic at the same time,” he said.

 

Having two simultaneous respiratory outbreaks would put unimaginable strain on the health-care system, he said. The first wave of covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, has already killed more than 42,000 people across the country. It has overwhelmed hospitals and revealed gaping shortages in test kits, ventilators and protective equipment for health-care workers.

 
Seasonality, explained: What warm weather could mean for the novel coronavirus
 
 
President Trump has said warm weather could slow the spread of the novel coronavirus, but experts explain it's too early to know if the virus is seasonal. (John Farrell, Elyse Samuels/The Washington Post)

In a wide-ranging interview, Redfield said federal and state officials need to use the coming months to prepare for what lies ahead. As stay-at-home orders are lifted, officials need to stress the continued importance of social distancing, he said. They also need to massively scale up their ability to identify the infected through testing and find everyone they interact with through contact tracing. Doing so prevents new cases from becoming larger outbreaks.

Asked about protests against stay-at-home orders and calls on states to be “liberated” from restrictions, Redfield said: “It’s not helpful.” The president himself has tweeted encouragements of such protests, urging followers to “LIBERATE MINNESOTA!” and “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!”

 

 

Redfield said that he, along with other members of the White House coronavirus task force, have emphasized the importance of social distancing “and the enormous impact that it’s had on this outbreak in our nation.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/21/coronavirus-secondwave-cdcdirector/

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4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Because someone violating social distancing is the same as the torture and murder of millions of people under a deliberate, systematic genocide

It is similar to letting the invisible enemy infect millions of people with a deadly virus.  The fact that it's not deliberate makes it all the more stupid.  

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1 minute ago, daz28 said:

It is similar to letting the invisible enemy infect millions of people with a deadly virus.  The fact that it's not deliberate makes it all the more stupid.  

 

This seems correct.  I remember reading about the Gestapo's 1% fatality rate.

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Just now, Joe Miner said:

 

This seems correct.  I remember reading about the Gestapo's 1% fatality rate.

Did you forget about all of the rest of them(and their loved ones) that suffered, or only worry about the ones who died?

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Just now, daz28 said:

It is similar to letting the invisible enemy infect millions of people with a deadly virus.  The fact that it's not deliberate makes it all the more stupid.  

 

No, it is not. Someone violating social distancing is not similar in any way to intentional ethnic cleansing and the wholesale slaughter of millions of people.

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1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

No, it is not. Someone violating social distancing is not similar in any way to intentional ethnic cleansing and the wholesale slaughter of millions of people.

Tell that to the Spanish flu.

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