aristocrat Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Again, this is what they're doing and it's clearly not working, so continuing to say that that's what is needed makes little to no sense. To put it plainly, the local effort is NOT working. Maybe it's time to try something different. the only thing that is going to work is a vaccine. you have to come to realize that. its why they always said to try and flatten the curve not eliminate the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Just now, aristocrat said: the only thing that is going to work is a vaccine. you have to come to realize that. its why they always said to try and flatten the curve not eliminate the virus. At this point, you're probably right, but I think the real missed opportunity was back in March. If instead of downplaying the virus, Trump had issued a message of unity and everyone pulling together to get cases down low enough so that they could contact trace, that it could have been nipped in the bud before it ever became a national problem. Some really smart people suggested a 4 week mandatory stay at home order for the whole country in mid-March. If they'd done that and maintained a nearly closed border that the virus would have been gone by May and Trump would have won maybe the biggest landslide in the past 60 years. Just my two cents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 NT Times: "Listen Team Blue....I know it looks like nothing we said we must do works, but look at our fake data.....the cases are really bad where they didn't listen to us." I'm sorry. Did Pennsylvania, Illinois, and Michigan loosen all 500,000 of their restrictions and mandates? Enemy of the people: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Again, this is what they're doing and it's clearly not working, so continuing to say that that's what is needed makes little to no sense. To put it plainly, the local effort is NOT working. Maybe it's time to try something different. There is not much to do. The virus is virus-ing. The thing that Trump is incapable of is uniting people in spirit. And the Dems do no better with stupid crap like mask-posturing. Just talk up how it's a small part of the overall effort and you aren't macho not wearing a mask. 20 minutes ago, jrober38 said: At this point, you're probably right, but I think the real missed opportunity was back in March. If instead of downplaying the virus, Trump had issued a message of unity and everyone pulling together to get cases down low enough so that they could contact trace, that it could have been nipped in the bud before it ever became a national problem. Some really smart people suggested a 4 week mandatory stay at home order for the whole country in mid-March. If they'd done that and maintained a nearly closed border that the virus would have been gone by May and Trump would have won maybe the biggest landslide in the past 60 years. Just my two cents. We were never going to be Korea. This pandemic should lead to better education of politicians and citizens for next time, but given the push back of "I want to be me, I'm American" this time around, the idea that we'd have ever achieved what Korea did was impossible in 2020 with our current leadership (not just Trump). The post-mortem of this will lay blame on Obama, Trump, Cuomo, Desantis and plenty of others. As a country, as a citizenry, we were caught with our pants down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I thought mask-wearing was ridiculous in March and April. I just couldn't conceive of wearing one. Now I wear one all the time like most people. Why? I got smarter and more used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 59 minutes ago, jrober38 said: At this point, you're probably right, but I think the real missed opportunity was back in March. If instead of downplaying the virus, Trump had issued a message of unity and everyone pulling together to get cases down low enough so that they could contact trace, that it could have been nipped in the bud before it ever became a national problem. Some really smart people suggested a 4 week mandatory stay at home order for the whole country in mid-March. If they'd done that and maintained a nearly closed border that the virus would have been gone by May and Trump would have won maybe the biggest landslide in the past 60 years. Just my two cents. Oh brother! You’re living in a fantasy land! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 3 hours ago, TBBills said: Wrong, like I said if you get it and it's bad just do the country a favor and die alone. The hospitals are overworked. No biggie no need to wear a mask just get the virus and if it happens to be very bad for you make sure you don't go to the hospital. Lol hell bent... He wants an answer I gave him a reasonable answer. Your extremisms are funny though. So you're telling me the big conventions without masks, no mask protests... Didn't help? Oh yes b.c Trump would look bad so it must be fake lol. You should hide in your house. This will guarantee you don’t get this Chinese Plague. Cover your entire head with plastic wrap as well. Combined with not seeing anyone, ever, you are doing your part. Stop being so selfish. I will allow you, however, to continue posting nonsense from your basement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 "We need to restrict travel during COVID-19!!!!!!!!!" Except for me and my friends, of course. https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/11/16/california-lawmakers-head-to-maui-with-lobbyists-despite-pandemic-travel-warnings-1336605 https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/11/17/two-california-lawmakers-bought-plane-tickets-for-hawaii-conference-during-pandemic-1336713 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Just now, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: "We need to restrict travel during COVID-19!!!!!!!!!" Except for me and my friends, of course. https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/11/16/california-lawmakers-head-to-maui-with-lobbyists-despite-pandemic-travel-warnings-1336605 https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/11/17/two-california-lawmakers-bought-plane-tickets-for-hawaii-conference-during-pandemic-1336713 Those folks should be voted out. To all still continuing to question masks and Covid responses and on and on: How many more deaths will convince you? How many people dying are you OK with? How many more reports of hospitals being close to the breaking point will convince you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: Right, but the US is doing as bad as any country in the developed world. The point is that other countries have been doing better. Again, the issue is that local governments can't adequately fight a global pandemic. They don't have the resources or local expertise needed. When a war starts, or a global pandemic is going on, this is the whole reason you have a federal government. When WW2 started and Pearle Harbour was bombed, FDR didn't leave it up to the states to fight the war individually. You have a Federal Government to deal with a crisis like this. Leaving it up to the states made no sense whatsoever. Multivariate analysis is the reason why some countries do better than others. For the binary mind of the Anti-Trumpers, it’s only one variable - OrangeManBad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Bakin said: You should hide in your house. This will guarantee you don’t get this Chinese Plague. Cover your entire head with plastic wrap as well. Combined with not seeing anyone, ever, you are doing your part. Stop being so selfish. I will allow you, however, to continue posting nonsense from your basement. There we go was waiting for the bull####. Basement dwellers are on the other site, I suggest you head over there... Your garbage doesn't work here. Edited November 19, 2020 by TBBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: At this point, you're probably right, but I think the real missed opportunity was back in March. If instead of downplaying the virus, Trump had issued a message of unity and everyone pulling together to get cases down low enough so that they could contact trace, that it could have been nipped in the bud before it ever became a national problem. Some really smart people suggested a 4 week mandatory stay at home order for the whole country in mid-March. If they'd done that and maintained a nearly closed border that the virus would have been gone by May and Trump would have won maybe the biggest landslide in the past 60 years. Just my two cents. 42 percent of the deaths are nursing home deaths. that's where we have failed. then you have the US being the most unhealthy country in the world and the virus going after people who are unhealthy. going forward people need to eat healthier, excercise more, live healthier lives etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Big Blitz said: NT Times: "Listen Team Blue....I know it looks like nothing we said we must do works, but look at our fake data.....the cases are really bad where they didn't listen to us." I'm sorry. Did Pennsylvania, Illinois, and Michigan loosen all 500,000 of their restrictions and mandates? Enemy of the people: You uhhh left out the data. Probably just an oversight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, TBBills said: There we go was waiting for the bull####. Basement dwellers are on the other site, I suggest you head over there... Your garbage doesn't work here. Can someone tell me where this other site is? I’m exhausted from the left wing echo chamber this place has descended into 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Can someone tell me where this other site is? I’m exhausted from the left wing echo chamber this place has descended into The other place is a right wing echo chamber. This place is more for facts and truth. Which probably isn't what you want Edited November 19, 2020 by TBBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 minute ago, TBBills said: The other place is a right wing echo chamber. This place is more for facts and truth. Which probably isn't what you want So where is the place you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Just now, SoCal Deek said: So where is the place you speak of? I don't know all I know is they supposedly made DR a mod so it's tinfoil hat city. I suggest you bring one before you enter. Lots of fake twitter news being posted as actual facts. Lots of facts being ignored or called fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, TBBills said: I don't know all I know is they supposedly made DR a mod so it's tinfoil hat city. I suggest you bring one before you enter. Lots of fake twitter news being posted as actual facts. Lots of facts being ignored or called fraud. The answer to "we disagree" is not to encourage people to run off to safe space. The better choice would be to try to encourage civil dialogue wherever you find anyone. The echo chambers solve nothing except to create more echos and myopic thinking. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, shoshin said: The answer to "we disagree" is not to encourage people to run off to safe space. The better choice would be to try to encourage civil dialogue wherever you find anyone. The echo chambers solve nothing except to create more echos and myopic thinking. You ever try civil dialogue with DR? Not possible unless you agree with him. Also they would just attack anything they didn't believe in so it never worked out with them b.c they didn't want it to. The site has been much better off now with only a few trolling holdouts still trying to spread conspiracies. You should have seen how bad it was on election day here with those Trumpies. Edited November 19, 2020 by TBBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, shoshin said: The answer to "we disagree" is not to encourage people to run off to safe space. The better choice would be to try to encourage civil dialogue wherever you find anyone. The echo chambers solve nothing except to create more echos and myopic thinking. Amen brother! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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