ziltoid Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 I know a bunch or yoos guys have weighed in, but here's my commentary on the collective thinking out there: I see a lot of regular PPP posters trying to discuss covid things over on the OTW side of the fence. 2 threads to choose from, but the facts one is off limits to any new contributions. Most of the time the ideas that we have been discussing here are immediately poo-poo'd by the entire lot of people over there. Most notably by the more powerful poster(s) over there (jannie). And I would say our opinions over here are leaning right but fair when it comes to the virus, as I would venture a guess a few of the sane posters over here are lefties. Not the majority, but there are a few. You would think NFL football fans would take a hopeful approach using the latest information out there, but they just want the NFL season shut down. Very strange to me. I see this too in real life. A few of the people that I thought were rational thinkers have completely lost it when it comes to our personal actions (don't leave the house anymore) and the decisions of local officials (school opening is the latest hot topic). They are perfectly fine with locking down forever and obliterating people's businesses and livelihoods. And a couple of these people are highly respected managers where I work. I just don't get the disconnect. They manage multi-million dollar budgets, make tough decisions every day, but this virus has them vapor locked. Makes me think maybe they aren't as smart as they claim. The only thing I keep coming back to is their voting preference. It can't be that, can it? Do you really throw science out the window when you have a president you don't like? And what's up with the power trippin on the other side of the board? I've had more than one comment deleted over there that was apolitical. I just did not stick to the consensus covid notes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 3 hours ago, shoshin said: Philly restaurants still not open for indoor dining. 2% positives in Philly last two days. PA is worse than NYS for controlling governors. At least in New York, NYC was hit by a Covid-bomb. I turn 60 next year. I'm *****. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Not a peep from Q Queen @Deranged Rhino about this pedo king Gym Jordan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29703982/georgia-state-qb-mikele-colasurdo-diagnosed-heart-condition-linked-covid-19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Magox Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Deaths appear to have made their downward descent. Possible we hit below 1000 (7 day moving average) by Monday. 1027 - 1 week ago 1065 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, BillStime said: Can be caused by any virus. And he will recover. The heart related condition stuff is certainly worth noting. It appears him playing the sport is what allowed them to detect it. So maybe he doesn't die from simply jogging in his neighborhood. Which btw, whether from Covid or any other virus that causes it, is very rare. I'm finding it hard to use it as justification for everyone else to not play sports as Dr. Solodad O'Brien seems to think..... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: Can be caused by any virus. And he will recover. The heart related condition stuff is certainly worth noting. It appears him playing the sport is what allowed them to detect it. So maybe he doesn't die from simply jogging in his neighborhood. Which btw, whether from Covid or any other virus that causes it, is very rare. I'm finding it hard to use it as justification for everyone else to not play sports as Dr. Solodad O'Brien seems to think..... Soledad is a horrible human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziltoid Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Magox said: Soledad is a horrible human being. The normies out there think this heart thing is something new. It's all so tiresome. Edited August 21, 2020 by BeerLeagueHockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 2 hours ago, BillStime said: I don’t know who Soledad O’Brian is to own a blue check mark but there’s a way to go after whatever doctor she’s referring to without using that poor kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 DeathSantis is killing it Schools Touted by DeSantis Now in a Quarantine Nightmare Gotta love these Red state governors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 At this rate within about a month Texas should be below it’s pre breakout hospitalization rate and make new lows in deaths in about 6-8 weeks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 More on the excess deaths and how a statistically significant number of them were due to the stringent social distancing measures. OHCA is out of hospital cardiac arrests —-“it is interesting to note that the excess in OHCA was greater than the number of patients who died with COVID-19 diagnoses during the same time frame.”—— and the crux of the overarching point that we have been making: —- “ Finally, patient fear of contracting COVID-19 while seeking care may lead to avoidance of lifesaving therapies. A review at the patient level is essential to obtain a more granular understanding of these data. However, in the interim, providers should consider the unintended consequence of the pandemic response in the context of chronic and emergent cardiovascular disease. ” —— This is just one of the many forms of deaths caused by the stringent social distancing measures. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 8 hours ago, BillStime said: I don't consider a college student a kid so she's being intellectually dishonest. Myocarditis and other heart complications can also be caused by the flu too but I guess they don't know enough about this virus yet to see what kind of long term impact it could have. It's so rare though that imo it shouldn't cause colleges to shut down sports. I guess lawsuits are the big concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Magox said: More on the excess deaths and how a statistically significant number of them were due to the stringent social distancing measures. OHCA is out of hospital cardiac arrests —-“it is interesting to note that the excess in OHCA was greater than the number of patients who died with COVID-19 diagnoses during the same time frame.”—— and the crux of the overarching point that we have been making: —- “ Finally, patient fear of contracting COVID-19 while seeking care may lead to avoidance of lifesaving therapies. A review at the patient level is essential to obtain a more granular understanding of these data. However, in the interim, providers should consider the unintended consequence of the pandemic response in the context of chronic and emergent cardiovascular disease. ” —— This is just one of the many forms of deaths caused by the stringent social distancing measures. Yeah its not like heart disease kills 500-600k Americans every year...after year...after year. If only we had the militant everywhere you look warnings about the dangers of eating fast food like we do about not wearing masks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Yeah its not like heart disease kills 500-600k Americans every year...after year...after year. If only we had the militant everywhere you look warnings about the dangers of eating fast food like we do about not wearing masks. It's just common sense. Imagine how many people have died from not getting the care they needed because of the stringent social distancing measures. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Jenius - stable f’n jenius 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 21 hours ago, shoshin said: Your link is from a month ago. The data I pasted--and the article Magox linked--is from yesterday. Just a mistake on your part. Madrid was not leading in new cases until a few days ago, which were in Andalucia and Aragon. The troubling trend in Madrid has to be watched, as it's one of the few cases of a rebound in cases in a previously hard hit area. At some point you have to do your own interpretation of the data and not rely fully on what's being spoonfed. Case in point is the excess death debate. Why is it necessary to wait for CDC confirmation, when you can triangulate into the numbers from other data points? The leading causes of death for people under 45 are unintended injuries, suicides and homicides. Given the perverse incentive to attribute as many deaths as possible to Wuhan, you'd be seeing a hell of a lot more statistics about <45 yr old Wuhan deaths. But since you're not seeing that, and insurance companies are reporting far fewer driving deaths since the lockdowns began, would lead to a logical conclusion that the excess deaths are caused by the other factors that are common among the <45 crowd. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) More on excess deaths indirectly due to COVID and stringent social distancing measures. Suicide edition due to economic factors Quote COVID-19's impact could include 20 more firearm suicides per day this year, analysis shows Quote The Great Recession, for example, led to an estimated 4,750 additional deaths by suicide -- though not all specifically by firearms. Based on Everytown's research of the impacts of unemployment on suicide from past recessions, the researchers estimate this economic downturn could lead to a 20 to 30% increase in the number of lives lost to suicide in the United States in 2020: an additional 5,000 to 7,000 lives. And this from CDC Quote Elevated levels of adverse mental health conditions, substance use, and suicidal ideation were reported by adults in the United States in June 2020. The prevalence of symptoms of anxiety disorder was approximately three times those reported in the second quarter of 2019 (25.5% versus 8.1%), and prevalence of depressive disorder was approximately four times that reported in the second quarter of 2019 (24.3% versus 6.5%) (2). However, given the methodological differences and potential unknown biases in survey designs, this analysis might not be directly comparable with data reported on anxiety and depression disorders in 2019 (2). Approximately one quarter of respondents reported symptoms of a TSRD related to the pandemic, and approximately one in 10 reported that they started or increased substance use because of COVID-19. Suicidal ideation was also elevated; approximately twice as many respondents reported serious consideration of suicide in the previous 30 days than did adults in the United States in 2018, referring to the previous 12 months (10.7% versus 4.3%) (6). And more regarding suicides Quote “One of our suicides we had just barely missed,” said Oliver Morris, operations commander for the Los Alamos Police Department, who had conducted countless checks as an officer for almost 17 years. Like many other Americans during the pandemic, the person had begun to work remotely, Morris said, and his co-workers asked police to check on him. Los Alamos has seen an increase in suicides during the pandemic, rising from just two last year to triple that many so far this year. The problem isn’t limited to that community. Cook County, Illinois, and Fresno, California, are among those reporting similar spikes, with suicides up 13 percent in Cook County so far compared with the same period last year. In Fresno, suicides were 70 percent higher in June than in the same month last year. And who is it that typically commits suicides at higher rates than any other age group? You guessed it - Younger folks The more we apply logic and facts the more we understand that younger people are disproportionately affected by a wide margin when it comes to excess deaths caused by stringent social distancing measures. 17 minutes ago, GG said: At some point you have to do your own interpretation of the data and not rely fully on what's being spoonfed. Case in point is the excess death debate. Why is it necessary to wait for CDC confirmation, when you can triangulate into the numbers from other data points? The leading causes of death for people under 45 are unintended injuries, suicides and homicides. Given the perverse incentive to attribute as many deaths as possible to Wuhan, you'd be seeing a hell of a lot more statistics about <45 yr old Wuhan deaths. But since you're not seeing that, and insurance companies are reporting far fewer driving deaths since the lockdowns began, would lead to a logical conclusion that the excess deaths are caused by the other factors that are common among the <45 crowd. Because he is an in-the-box thinker. Edited August 21, 2020 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 22 hours ago, whatdrought said: Oh look, the government is full of pieces of *****. Who knew? https://www.wpxi.com/news/investigates/confidential-agreement-uncovered-allowed-car-show-happen-despite-covid-19-restrictions/BUN43H7C3ZDCJJ2MIIEYXRN6AU/?fbclid=IwAR01GH-rKBunraol26iS0pcWHbbMIIAItf51xJ8K8qRCxwZjNSyo5acRFvk Not sure what's the difference between the letting the car show go on and letting protests and riots happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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