NoSaint Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 23 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Allen was 24/46 for 264 with a 5.7 average 0 TDs and a 69.5 rating against one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL. Watson was 20/25 for 247 with a 9.9 average, 1 TD and a 121.2 rating against one of the best pass defenses in the NFL. Is this thread still a thing? Majbobby would call those very similar. Allen more completions and yards, and only 1 less TD! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 17 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: We had him on the ropes. I always liked Watson, and he definitely has intangibles, but I still like Allen's ceiling more. Watson has incredible weapons to throw to. We should've won. Ceiling? What does that even mean? Ceiling is nothing more than a hypothetical...what did people think Tom Brady’s ceiling was when he came out? It’s a word that everyone throws around but means absolutely nothing...all ceiling is is whatever you want it to be... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, JaCrispy said: Ceiling? What does that even mean? Ceiling is nothing more than a hypothetical...what did people think Tom Brady’s ceiling was when he came out? It’s a word that everyone throws around but means absolutely nothing...all ceiling is is whatever you want it to be... Couldn't disagree more. Brady was an outlier, and with some shady stuff around it too I might add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: Couldn't disagree more. Brady was an outlier, and with some shady stuff around it too I might add. Then what and who determines one’s ceiling? It’s completely subjective...there were people thought Josh was a bust...clearly they didn’t think his ceiling was high...who’s the judge? Edited January 5, 2020 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: Then what and who determines one’s ceiling? It’s completely subjective...there were people thought Josh was a bust...clearly they didn’t think his ceiling was high...who’s the judge? If you're looking for an objective answer to a subjective concept, that's what I call a dead end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Not sure by 30.... but I agree we swap the QBs and the Bills definitely win. Deshaun Watson is a star in the NFL. Swap him with a below average QB like Allen and win in a blowout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, ToGoGo said: If you're looking for an objective answer to a subjective concept, that's what I call a dead end. Thank you for making my point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Majbobby would call those very similar. Allen more completions and yards, and only 1 less TD! Passer rating is biased! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: Thank you for making my point... What are you arguing? I said that I thought his ceiling was higher than Watson's. That is my subjective opinion that started this debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: What are you arguing? I said that I thought his ceiling was higher than Watson's. That is my subjective opinion that started this debate. And my point was that it means nothing...I could say I think Matt Barkley’s ceiling is higher than Watson’s...who cares?? Josh Allen might never get any better the rest of his career...who cares what anyone thinks of his hypothetical ceiling...it’s all about how good you are now... Edited January 5, 2020 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: And my point was that it means nothing...I could say I think Matt Barkley’s ceiling is higher than Watson’s...who cares?? Josh Allen might never get any better the rest of his career...who cares what anyone thinks of his hypothetical ceiling...it’s all about how good you are now... Are you saying that I should keep my subjective opinion to myself because "who cares"? Whatever man, I don't think you even know the purpose of what you're saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I'm convinced this insane homer thread jinxed us. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 As they say...this thread did not age well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaywrizzo Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 12 hours ago, thebandit27 said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing_advanced.htm There’s a fair bit that you’re leaving out: That apparently huge difference between 9 and 20 in on-target percentage amounts to 3%. Not exactly the chasm you’re implying. Same goes for bad throw percentage; the difference is 4%. The difference in CAY/PA is half a yard. Now for the stuff that you didn’t mention: Allen suffered a drop rate of 7.2%—highest in the NFL. Watson’s was 4.4%. WR play matters. Both QBs faced the same number of hurried despite Watson having more attempts; Allen was also hit 4 more times. OL play matters. Even though their respective efficiencies on RPOs are very similar, Josh had less than half of Watson’s combined run/pass attempts from RPO plays. Play calling matters. I find it rather interesting that you left out a significant measure of context after calling me out for cherry picking/obfuscating (actually it was for being “strawmanny” earlier in this thread (and it was in a different thread). His NFL track record? Not really. He has one playoff win over the Connor Cook lead Raiders. I like Watson, but let’s be accurate. Haha....Yeah, its time to rethink that one.....its not even close....Allen made bad play after bad play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Jaywrizzo said: Haha....Yeah, its time to rethink that one.....its not even close....Allen made bad play after bad play. Until he didn't and kept us in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: Are you saying that I should keep my subjective opinion to myself because "who cares"? Whatever man, I don't think you even know the purpose of what you're saying. You’re probably right...In that case, I think Allen’s ceiling is higher than Mahomes...carry on ? Edited January 5, 2020 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Until he didn't and kept us in the game. don’t go down with the ship on defending Allen’s second half. plenty of promising items from the season to latch onto if you want to but that’s 20 or so minutes you box up, bury and pretend never happened. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, JayBaller10 said: Allen was 24/46 for 264 with a 5.7 average 0 TDs and a 69.5 rating against one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL. Watson was 20/25 for 247 with a 9.9 average, 1 TD and a 121.2 rating against one of the best pass defenses in the NFL. Is this thread still a thing? ^This. It isn't even a close call. Watson has now been a Top 10 QB in the NFL in each of his first 3 seasons. It doesn't matter if Allen has "potential." Watson is a winner, and he just won. Again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Jaywrizzo said: Haha....Yeah, its time to rethink that one.....its not even close....Allen made bad play after bad play. maybe it’s time to read the thread before you say silly things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Watson proved today he is indeed the better QB. Allen got very lucky and should have been intercepted at least twice, one for a pick 6. Allen is a gamer who made many mistakes today., He'll learn, but he is what he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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