TakeYouToTasker Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/12/2019 at 9:03 AM, KRC said: Taking John Adams' lead, let talk about what we can do to fix the problems in our government. As the OP, I will set the ground rules . Without blaming a political party or any specific politician, how do we fix the systemic issues that have put us in the situation we are in right now? There have been obvious failures on multiple levels that never should have happened. Can it be fixed or are we too far gone? We are still waiting on Barr and Durham to see if any unelected officials will be held accountable. We still have the matter of elected official accountability which is also underway. Other than voting people out of office to handle the elected official problem, how do we address the unelected official part of the problem? What is the over/under on how fast someone will break the rules. Abolish it. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Funny you should bring that up... this is circulating again today (and recall, that the DOJ shutdown their investigation to Tony Podesta in September ) (thread)... thank you for this. there is A LOT there and there is a reason why it has been swept under the rug. hopefully, this is all part of the coming reveal. Edited December 13, 2019 by Foxx 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Foxx said: thank you for this. there is A LOT there and there is a reason why it has been swept under the rug. hopefully, this is all part of the coming reveal. +1 @Buffalo_Gal, thanks for sharing that. Good stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 33 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Funny you should bring that up... this is circulating again today (and recall, that the DOJ shutdown their investigation to Tony Podesta in September ) (thread) ....and I'd bet Tony is just as honest, forthright, above board and clean as a whistle just like brother John, right?......a card carrying Dynasty member...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 How do you fix the federal government? Flat Tax Balanced Budget Amendment Everything else addresses the symptom, not the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Balanced Budget Amendment They would just cook the books to make it look balanced, but it really is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, KRC said: They would just cook the books to make it look balanced, but it really is not. OK? I’m not sure you know but all state and local governments have to balance their budgets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: How do you fix the federal government? Flat Tax Balanced Budget Amendment Everything else addresses the symptom, not the cause. Why do you want to abolish the federal bond market? That's really stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: OK? I’m not sure you know but all state and local governments have to balance their budgets. Clinton's budget "surplus." Proof that you can manipulate the numbers any way you want to get the desired result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Why do you want to abolish the federal bond market? That's really stupid I stand by my suggestions I couldn’t care less about the bond market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, KRC said: Clinton's budget "surplus." Proof that you can manipulate the numbers any way you want to get the desired result. provided the media kiss your behind 24/7 well, until the blue dress was tested... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I stand by my suggestions I couldn’t care less about the bond market Since you would be handicapping the government so much, what would you cut first, the military or health care for Vets and the elderly? Because getting rid of the bond market would mean getting rid of much of that...for only ignorant reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Since you would be handicapping the government so much, what would you cut first, the military or health care for Vets and the elderly? Because getting rid of the bond market would mean getting rid of much of that...for only ignorant reasons. It wouldn’t be up to me to get rid of anything. It would be up to the elected officials to compromise for a change and strike a balance between spending programs and taxes. With the key being thar if you want to raise or lower taxes you do so on everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 54 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: OK? I’m not sure you know but all state and local governments have to balance their budgets. NY gets around actually balancing budgets by spinning off liabilities to state-created "Authorities", as an accounting gimmick. There's something like 1,200 Authorities that control everything from Niagara Falls to the Thruway to NY Harbor. Many of them own state property and "lease" it back to the state for nothing, to hide costs that we're paying either way. As an example of how crooked they are: The NFTA (Niagara Frontier Transit Authority) has been a significant (though not the only) hindrance to developing Buffalo's waterfront area for decades, because they own most of the property and cannot be forced to sell. Or another example: The authority that runs the Niagara Falls power plant is not supposed to turn a profit selling power, but somehow had ~$500,000,000 lying around to "donate" back to the general fund (several times) during budget crises. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, Koko78 said: NY gets around actually balancing budgets by spinning off liabilities to state-created "Authorities", as an accounting gimmick. There's something like 1,200 Authorities that control everything from Niagara Falls to the Thruway to NY Harbor. Many of them own state property and "lease" it back to the state for nothing, to hide costs that we're paying either way. As an example of how crooked they are: The NFTA (Niagara Frontier Transit Authority) has been a significant (though not the only) hindrance to developing Buffalo's waterfront area for decades, because they own most of the property and cannot be forced to sell. Or another example: The authority that runs the Niagara Falls power plant is not supposed to turn a profit selling power, but somehow had ~$500,000,000 lying around to "donate" back to the general fund (several times) during budget crises. good call bud.....it's a massive shell game gimmick......'ol Mario used to write "IOU's" to the State Insurance Fund (Workers Comp Insurance) to close any budget gap.......written on toilet paper......driver's licenses are for 7 years so they spend tomorrow's money today.....eventually with attrition or exodus, it will catch up......if you've ever done municipal work (we are in construction), departments go into panic mode as they near the fiscal year end with a potential surplus......and go into "spend every last nickel", mostly wasteful, versus facing a cut the following year..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 On December 12, 2019 at 11:29 AM, Koko78 said: Public? No. For example, if I were charged with using any means to end corruption at a particular bureaucratic institution (and, you know, disregarded my conscience/soul), I would likely call all employees into a meeting. At that meeting, I would call up selected people (in various capacities/ranks), that I had fairly solid evidence of corruption on. I would present that evidence to the crowd, and summarily execute them in front of the rest, hopefully splattering some gore on as many people as possible. I would then inform those assembled that this is the price they, and their families, would pay for further corrupt acts, before having them file out of the room, one at a time, past the dead bodies. You can't change a bureaucratic/political culture with a few firings and rule changes, especially when it is damn near impossible to fire anyone. Obviously the above example is horrible and over-the-top. So you'd have killed Tom Price? He wasted tons of public money on personal matters How about tax evaders? Would you go after that corruption with the same blood thirsty enthusiasm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Disband the current congress, hold new elections within a year. Set a maximum of two terms for senators, two for congressmen. No current members will be allowed to run again. Outlaw corporate money in the political arena, and allow no single donation over 1000 dollars. Cleanse the unelected federal government civil service in a manner similar to the congress. Lifers are out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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