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Baylor and a Oklahoma play again?  That’s weird to me.  So if Baylor wins, do they deserve to be in the top 4?  Oklahoma could say they split.  Also, Baylor now beats a team with 2 losses, almost hurting their resume.  
 

It’s counter productive.  If they really want the playoffs to determine a final winner, and I believe they are on the right track, they need re-evaluate conference championship games and ensure all conferences have one. 

 

What happens if Wisconsin beats Ohio St?  Does Wisconsin get in?

 

LSU/Georgia clearly sends the best SEC to the playoffs and I think should be the 2 seed

 

If Clemson loses, does the ACC even get represented?  How do you justify putting either in the top 4 if it happens?

 

Utah could easily lose to Oregon, and then what of that conference?

 

All of it really begs the question of what’s more important, winning your conference or best records with quality wins?  If it’s just conference win, then you could have the not-best four make it in.  I’m torn on that. 

 

OR, have the top teams from conferences who don’t have a championship, play each other during that week.  

 

Championship week should almost be a play-in week for all teams in the top 10 to solidify the 4 that make it 

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You know the drill

 

1) any undefeated team from a big conference or Notre Dame get in

 

2) a pool of one loss conference champs, or one-loss fatcat teams that didn’t make the conf title game, battles it out by their pull with TV draw, political sway and history 

 

a one-loss team that lost its conf title game hasn’t been much of a creature to consider because almost all conf title games have been massacres

 

we are overdue for a major upset in a conf title game

 

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, row_33 said:

You know the drill

 

1) any undefeated team from a big conference or Notre Dame get in

 

2) a pool of one loss conference champs, or one-loss fatcat teams that didn’t make the conf title game, battles it out by their pull with TV draw, political sway and history 

 

a one-loss team that lost its conf title game hasn’t been much of a creature to consider because almost all conf title games have been massacres

 

we are overdue for a major upset in a conf title game

 

 

Exactly.  And there is a well defined pecking order for #2.

 

 The only way to change it is to expand to 8 teams, have 5 automatic conference champ bids, and some arrangement of one-loss non-champs/ND/non-power 5 fight it out for the last 3.

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1 minute ago, KD in CA said:

 

Exactly.  And there is a well defined pecking order for #2.

 

 The only way to change it is to expand to 8 teams, have 5 automatic conference champ bids, and some arrangement of one-loss non-champs/ND/non-power 5 fight it out for the last 3.


nobody wants to watch tOSU beat No Illinois 88-0 in the 1 vs 8 game

 

Can’t even rely on getting decent games between the top 4

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25 minutes ago, row_33 said:


nobody wants to watch tOSU beat No Illinois 88-0 in the 1 vs 8 game

 

Can’t even rely on getting decent games between the top 4

 

OSU (and Alabama, etc) beat most of their vastly overmatched opponents 88-0 and people seem to like that just fine.

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This playoffs is shaping up pretty easily IMO. LSU, OSU and Clemson are in regardless of next week. They will, at worst, be one loss teams. Their loss, outside of Clemson, would be to a top 10 team in the conference championship game. Those teams have enough dominance across the board so far that they’ve already locked it up. Clemson is the only team that an argument can be made to hold out with a loss but they are going to win by 30. 
 

The 4th spot is UGA’s with a win. It’s Utah or the OU/Baylor winner otherwise. An OU win propels them into the playoff IMO. I think Utah would get in before Baylor but could be wrong there. Either way, unless it’s Georgia, that Big 12 / Pac 12 team is going to get destroyed. 

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1 hour ago, KD in CA said:

 

OSU (and Alabama, etc) beat most of their vastly overmatched opponents 88-0 and people seem to like that just fine.


It’s too much at four teams, there is rarely a case to even have a third team in the chatter 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This playoffs is shaping up pretty easily IMO. LSU, OSU and Clemson are in regardless of next week. They will, at worst, be one loss teams. Their loss, outside of Clemson, would be to a top 10 team in the conference championship game. Those teams have enough dominance across the board so far that they’ve already locked it up. Clemson is the only team that an argument can be made to hold out with a loss but they are going to win by 30. 
 

The 4th spot is UGA’s with a win. It’s Utah or the OU/Baylor winner otherwise. An OU win propels them into the playoff IMO. I think Utah would get in before Baylor but could be wrong there. Either way, unless it’s Georgia, that Big 12 / Pac 12 team is going to get destroyed. 


has a team with the only loss being their Conf. title Game made it ?  LSU should have it wrapped up by halftime


Oklahoma gets the nod with a Big 12 win

 

not a clue what the smoke filled back room evil cabal would do with the unwanted twins  Baylor or Utah to choose from...

 

 

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3 hours ago, Virgil said:

Baylor and a Oklahoma play again?  That’s weird to me.  So if Baylor wins, do they deserve to be in the top 4?  Oklahoma could say they split.  Also, Baylor now beats a team with 2 losses, almost hurting their resume.  
 

It’s counter productive.  If they really want the playoffs to determine a final winner, and I believe they are on the right track, they need re-evaluate conference championship games and ensure all conferences have one. 

 

What happens if Wisconsin beats Ohio St?  Does Wisconsin get in?

 

LSU/Georgia clearly sends the best SEC to the playoffs and I think should be the 2 seed

 

If Clemson loses, does the ACC even get represented?  How do you justify putting either in the top 4 if it happens?

 

Utah could easily lose to Oregon, and then what of that conference?

 

All of it really begs the question of what’s more important, winning your conference or best records with quality wins?  If it’s just conference win, then you could have the not-best four make it in.  I’m torn on that. 

 

OR, have the top teams from conferences who don’t have a championship, play each other during that week.  

 

Championship week should almost be a play-in week for all teams in the top 10 to solidify the 4 that make it 

 

All this really means is Division One needs a full playoff, just like every other sport.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

All this really means is Division One needs a full playoff, just like every other sport.

 

 

I know that we disagree on this (although I’m a proponent of 8 teams). I don’t believe that there are even 4 teams that could win in this year. 4 on my list would be Alabama and they aren’t getting in. There’s no need to drag teams like Navy, Cincinnati and Iowa to the table when they have a 0% chance of running the table for a title. It’s only going to result in more injuries. Give me the 5 conference champs, highest ranked non-power 5 and 2 wildcards. This year it would look something like:

OSU

LSU

Clemson

OU/Baylor

Utah

Memphis

UGA

Bama/OU/Baylor/Auburn/PSU

 

That’s fair to everyone. It doesn’t devalue the regular season. The entire country is represented. 
 

I can even take it a step further for an interesting twist. What if we added a relegation system like European soccer? The teams that play for the conference championships in group of 5 schools get elevated to the power 5 school that they are affiliated with and the bottom 2 teams in those power 5 conferences get relegated to the group of 5 school that they are affiliated with. It will have a similar impact to soccer. There’s never going to be a time that the big money clubs (or programs) in this case will be relegated. It gives teams like Memphis and UCF though an opportunity to play in a conference with an automatic bid instead of 1 bid from 5 conferences. It also takes the Rutgers types teams off the schedule and brings up stronger opponents.

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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This playoffs is shaping up pretty easily IMO. LSU, OSU and Clemson are in regardless of next week. They will, at worst, be one loss teams. Their loss, outside of Clemson, would be to a top 10 team in the conference championship game. Those teams have enough dominance across the board so far that they’ve already locked it up. Clemson is the only team that an argument can be made to hold out with a loss but they are going to win by 30. 
 

The 4th spot is UGA’s with a win. It’s Utah or the OU/Baylor winner otherwise. An OU win propels them into the playoff IMO. I think Utah would get in before Baylor but could be wrong there. Either way, unless it’s Georgia, that Big 12 / Pac 12 team is going to get destroyed. 


If Georgia wins, you still let LSU in?

 

How do you justify letting in a team that lost it’s conference championship over a team that won theirs?  
 

I agree that LSU would be the better overall team, I’m talking on paper and having to appease the masses 

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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I know that we disagree on this (although I’m a proponent of 8 teams). I don’t believe that there are even 4 teams that could win in this year. 4 on my list would be Alabama and they aren’t getting in. There’s no need to drag teams like Navy, Cincinnati and Iowa to the table when they have a 0% chance of running the table for a title. It’s only going to result in more injuries. Give me the 5 conference champs, highest ranked non-power 5 and 2 wildcards. This year it would look something like:

OSU

LSU

Clemson

OU/Baylor

Utah

Memphis

UGA

Bama/OU/Baylor/Auburn/PSU

 

That’s fair to everyone. It doesn’t devalue the regular season. The entire country is represented. 
 

I can even take it a step further for an interesting twist. What if we added a relegation system like European soccer? The teams that play for the conference championships in group of 5 schools get elevated to the power 5 school that they are affiliated with and the bottom 2 teams in those power 5 conferences get relegated to the group of 5 school that they are affiliated with. It will have a similar impact to soccer. There’s never going to be a time that the big money clubs (or programs) in this case will be relegated. It gives teams like Memphis and UCF though an opportunity to play in a conference with an automatic bid instead of 1 bid from 5 conferences. It also takes the Rutgers types teams off the schedule and brings up stronger opponents.

 

It wouldn't devalue the season, its no different than every team sport.

 

It would allow for a good team who had a bad game or two to have a shot.

 

Its not about Navy deserving a shot but creating Cinderellas and entertainment. These will never win but its fun and makes for a legitimate playoff.

 

No thanks to soccer style. Eventually the playoffs will be my way and y'all are going to be excited about it :wub: 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

It wouldn't devalue the season, its no different than every team sport.

 

It would allow for a good team who had a bad game or two to have a shot.

 

Its not about Navy deserving a shot but creating Cinderellas and entertainment. These will never win but its fun and makes for a legitimate playoff.

 

No thanks to soccer style. Eventually the playoffs will be my way and y'all are going to be excited about it :wub: 

 

 


 Not necessarily 

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9 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

It wouldn't devalue the season, its no different than every team sport.

 

It would allow for a good team who had a bad game or two to have a shot.

 

Its not about Navy deserving a shot but creating Cinderellas and entertainment. These will never win but its fun and makes for a legitimate playoff.

 

No thanks to soccer style. Eventually the playoffs will be my way and y'all are going to be excited about it :wub: 

 

 

It’s not happening. They aren’t going to add the games for injuries or to devalue the regular season. 8 teams allows teams with a bad game or 2 a shot. Alabama may have secured a WC this year. If you get beyond 8 you aren’t talking about teams with a chance to win. Does anyone believe that ND would beat Clemson, Utah, LSU and Ohio State consecutively?!? That’s the kind of thing that we are talking about even at 16 teams. It just isn’t happening. They could maybe win a game but so what. 

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57 minutes ago, row_33 said:


 Not necessarily 

 

it will, if they went from two to four its only a matter of time before it goes 8 then 16, it might stop there but money reigns so probably 24 like division 2.

 

 

51 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s not happening. They aren’t going to add the games for injuries or to devalue the regular season. 8 teams allows teams with a bad game or 2 a shot. Alabama may have secured a WC this year. If you get beyond 8 you aren’t talking about teams with a chance to win. Does anyone believe that ND would beat Clemson, Utah, LSU and Ohio State consecutively?!? That’s the kind of thing that we are talking about even at 16 teams. It just isn’t happening. They could maybe win a game but so what. 

 

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6 hours ago, Virgil said:

Baylor and a Oklahoma play again?  That’s weird to me.  So if Baylor wins, do they deserve to be in the top 4?  Oklahoma could say they split.  Also, Baylor now beats a team with 2 losses, almost hurting their resume.

 

Not the first time 2 teams that met in the regular season faced each other in a championship game.

In 2017, UGA lost to Auburn in the regular season, and UGA curb stomped Auburn in the SEC championship game.

 

 

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It’s counter productive.  If they really want the playoffs to determine a final winner, and I believe they are on the right track, they need re-evaluate conference championship games and ensure all conferences have one.

 

The Big 12 has a championship game. That's why Baylor is playing OU again.

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1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

it will, if they went from two to four its only a matter of time before it goes 8 then 16, it might stop there but money reigns so probably 24 like division 2.

 

 

 

 


I predict you will die some day, should I get all high and mighty over this like I’m a genius?

 

yout team got whipped again at Auburn, chill and enjoy life

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5 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

OSU (and Alabama, etc) beat most of their vastly overmatched opponents 88-0 and people seem to like that just fine.

 

Depends on when you are talking about.

The original whining about expanding from 4 to 8 team playoffs was due to the semi final games being blowouts.

However, nobody could justify how adding even weaker teams to the mix would make the semi final games more competitive.

So the whining has now shifted for an 8 team playoff because it would be more "fair".

 

Face the reality.

There is no way to make the system "Fair".

Every attempt to "fix the problem" has failed, and only increased the whining and crying.

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3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I can even take it a step further for an interesting twist. What if we added a relegation system like European soccer? The teams that play for the conference championships in group of 5 schools get elevated to the power 5 school that they are affiliated with and the bottom 2 teams in those power 5 conferences get relegated to the group of 5 school that they are affiliated with. It will have a similar impact to soccer. There’s never going to be a time that the big money clubs (or programs) in this case will be relegated. It gives teams like Memphis and UCF though an opportunity to play in a conference with an automatic bid instead of 1 bid from 5 conferences. It also takes the Rutgers types teams off the schedule and brings up stronger opponents.

 

Take it further.

Create a new NCAA football division with just the P5 conferences and teams.

Cap the number of teams allowed per conference (14 for instance).

All out of conference games must be played against another P5 team.

No dipping down to the G5 level, or worse, FCS level, for OOC games.

No independents. They can play with the G5 teams.

The only way for a program to move from the G5 to P5 level is via a conference invite.

This NCAA rule already exists for programs looking to move from division 2 to the FCS.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Cynical said:

 

Depends on when you are talking about.

The original whining about expanding from 4 to 8 team playoffs was due to the semi final games being blowouts.

However, nobody could justify how adding even weaker teams to the mix would make the semi final games more competitive.

So the whining has now shifted for an 8 team playoff because it would be more "fair".

 

Face the reality.

There is no way to make the system "Fair".

Every attempt to "fix the problem" has failed, and only increased the whining and crying.

 

The problem there is people failing to understand the meaning of the word "playoffs".  Somehow we survive all those blowouts in the first round of the basketball tournament just fine.  And somehow we even survived a blowout in the championship game last year.  Or does that mean we shouldn't have a championship game any more, since you know, Alabama was so embarrassingly outclassed?

 

Which would be fine with me.  The best system was when bowl games had conference tie-ins and mattered. We got great match-ups and a clear champion virtually every year back then, rather than this absurdly flawed two/four team "playoff" where the opponents are hand picked based on TV ratings.

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8 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

The problem there is people failing to understand the meaning of the word "playoffs".  Somehow we survive all those blowouts in the first round of the basketball tournament just fine.  And somehow we even survived a blowout in the championship game last year.  Or does that mean we shouldn't have a championship game any more, since you know, Alabama was so embarrassingly outclassed?

 

Which would be fine with me.  The best system was when bowl games had conference tie-ins and mattered. We got great match-ups and a clear champion virtually every year back then, rather than this absurdly flawed two/four team "playoff" where the opponents are hand picked based on TV ratings.

I know I keep banging the drum for 8 but that is the easiest way to fix those concerns. Each conference champ, highest ranked group of 5 and 2 wild cards. You can standardize the non-conference and conference schedules to make for an easier “apples-to-apples” comparison.

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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I know I keep banging the drum for 8 but that is the easiest way to fix those concerns. Each conference champ, highest ranked group of 5 and 2 wild cards. You can standardize the non-conference and conference schedules to make for an easier “apples-to-apples” comparison.

I don’t understand how we aren’t at 8 already. The conference championships effectively serve as the first round.

 

Since the CFB playoff has started, we have not had anything but the top 4 best teams in the country get in. There is no problem to be solved.

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4 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

The problem there is people failing to understand the meaning of the word "playoffs".  Somehow we survive all those blowouts in the first round of the basketball tournament just fine.  And somehow we even survived a blowout in the championship game last year.  Or does that mean we shouldn't have a championship game any more, since you know, Alabama was so embarrassingly outclassed?

 

I'm fine with blowouts.

I rather enjoyed watching Bama stomping ND back in 2013.

But it was those NC blowouts, along with the Boise States not getting a fair shot, that the cries for a CFB playoff became intensified.

Because we needed a playoff to "fix the problem".

 

4 hours ago, KD in CA said:

Which would be fine with me.  The best system was when bowl games had conference tie-ins and mattered. We got great match-ups and a clear champion virtually every year back then, rather than this absurdly flawed two/four team "playoff" where the opponents are hand picked based on TV ratings.

 

I am fine with going back to the BCS or to the bowl games and polls. Either one works for me.

 

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On 12/1/2019 at 1:51 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

This playoffs is shaping up pretty easily IMO. LSU, OSU and Clemson are in regardless of next week. They will, at worst, be one loss teams. Their loss, outside of Clemson, would be to a top 10 team in the conference championship game. Those teams have enough dominance across the board so far that they’ve already locked it up. Clemson is the only team that an argument can be made to hold out with a loss but they are going to win by 30. 
 

The 4th spot is UGA’s with a win. It’s Utah or the OU/Baylor winner otherwise. An OU win propels them into the playoff IMO. I think Utah would get in before Baylor but could be wrong there. Either way, unless it’s Georgia, that Big 12 / Pac 12 team is going to get destroyed. 

 

 

I think Clemson is out if they lose.  

On 12/1/2019 at 3:27 PM, Virgil said:


If Georgia wins, you still let LSU in?

 

How do you justify letting in a team that lost it’s conference championship over a team that won theirs?  
 

I agree that LSU would be the better overall team, I’m talking on paper and having to appease the masses 

 

 

You don't follow College Football do you?   It is pretty simple why LSU would be in, they have beaten Texas, Florida, Texas A&M, Alabama & Auburn.  There is not a team in this country that can match that resume.  

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4 minutes ago, Gordio said:

 

 

I think Clemson is out if they lose.  

 

 

You don't follow College Football do you?   It is pretty simple why LSU would be in, they have beaten Texas, Florida, Texas A&M, Alabama & Auburn.  There is not a team in this country that can match that resume.  


Agreed on Clemson being out with a loss.  
 

If LSU loses, that’s when things get real.  I agree that they should still be a top 4 team based off record and who their loss came against.  
 

But from other schools perspectives, they didn’t win their conference championship so what‘a the point of those games then?

 

If I win my conference championship and a major conference, I want in over someone who didn’t.  That’s what’s championships and playoffs are for.  
 

I would argue that Ohio St, Georgia, LSU, Clemson and Oklahoma are the best teams.  Someone’s going to be left out and so are major conference champions  

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what do you do when an undefeated team (Clemson) loses the Conference TItle Game to a team with no hope of anything (Virginia)???

 

have to wait and see, would be quite shocked if Clemson and LSU lost,  actually i would be shocked if their games weren't a joke by halftime

 

 

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1 hour ago, Virgil said:


Agreed on Clemson being out with a loss.  
 

If LSU loses, that’s when things get real.  I agree that they should still be a top 4 team based off record and who their loss came against.  
 

But from other schools perspectives, they didn’t win their conference championship so what‘a the point of those games then?

 

If I win my conference championship and a major conference, I want in over someone who didn’t.  That’s what’s championships and playoffs are for.  
 

I would argue that Ohio St, Georgia, LSU, Clemson and Oklahoma are the best teams.  Someone’s going to be left out and so are major conference champions  

LSU is a lock win or lose. The same goes for OSU. A 1 loss Utah or Oklahoma isn’t jumping those teams with 1 loss. I think the same of Clemson. There is a BIG gap in the committee’s eye between those teams and the Big 12 Winner / Utah. 

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53 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

LSU is a lock win or lose. The same goes for OSU. A 1 loss Utah or Oklahoma isn’t jumping those teams with 1 loss. I think the same of Clemson. There is a BIG gap in the committee’s eye between those teams and the Big 12 Winner / Utah. 

 

sounds good but I will chime in that Oklahoma has a lot of political pull........

 

 

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On ‎12‎/‎1‎/‎2019 at 12:27 PM, KD in CA said:

 

 The only way to change it is to expand to 8 teams, have 5 automatic conference champ bids, and some arrangement of one-loss non-champs/ND/non-power 5 fight it out for the last 3.

But you see, if 8, why not 16?

 

I don't think that the playoffs should be expanded to 8 unless the conference games are eliminated. These are college kids risking serious injuries and the chance to earn millions. At some point, there are too many games.

 

Jmo.

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Just now, Bill from NYC said:

But you see, if 8, why not 16?

 

I don't think that the playoffs should be expanded to 8 unless the conference games are eliminated. These are college kids risking serious injuries and the chance to earn millions. At some point, there are too many games.

 

Jmo.

 

just invite only the undefeated conference champs, and if there is room for maybe 1 more, then have an extra game

 

 

 

 

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