Tesla03 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 hours ago, ScottLaw said: I forgot Pegula talked to the players about what he should do with the OC.? Really hopes he's learned something....anything.....about the game of football since then..... considering he let his HC hand pick our GM he literally learned nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Lazy takes by Sullivan. For Ty Dunne, want to know stats on 30+ air yard passes and 20+ air yard passes for other QBs before I get all bothered. Here's what you need to know about Allen. The last I checked, he was 29th in the league in ANY/A behind such elite talents as Mason Rudolph, and Football Outsiders has him rated with a DYAR of 31st in the league, among QBs with at least 150 passes. That DYAR is a negative value! MINUS 230! He's terrible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, Virgil said: I’m not saying the stats are good, bad, indicative of his career. Honestly, I have no idea. I want Josh to be the guy, same as I did TT and JP. I just found the stats interesting Lesson # 1. Stats LIE Lesson # 2. Refer to Lesson # 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, SlimShady'sGhost said: Lesson # 1. Stats LIE Lesson # 2. Refer to Lesson # 1. I disagree. There's anomalies, but typically the majority of the QB's at the top of the overall stat sheets are pretty solid. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Here's what you need to know about Allen. The last I checked, he was 29th in the league in ANY/A behind such elite talents as Mason Rudolph, and Football Outsiders has him rated with a DYAR of 31st in the league, among QBs with at least 150 passes. That DYAR is a negative value! MINUS 230! He's terrible! Honest question, would you trade Josh Allen for Mason Rudolph straight up? Edited November 13, 2019 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Beasley can do deep here and there. Not from the outside but he can from the slot....just like Edelman and Welker. You can't just have them right the same patterns in the same area every time. It really hurts if your passing offense is one dimensional which it is now. We can't beat you over the top and it makes everything shorter and in between more clogged and messy. I'm not asking for a superstar, mediocre would be good right now. Bease didn't maintain a 70% catch rate in Dallas going deep. Intermediate over the middle is his forte. As to Edelman and Welker. Tom never exceeded a 70% completion rating for a season Edited November 13, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Here's what you need to know about Allen. The last I checked, he was 29th in the league in ANY/A behind such elite talents as Mason Rudolph, and Football Outsiders has him rated with a DYAR of 31st in the league, among QBs with at least 150 passes. That DYAR is a negative value! MINUS 230! He's terrible! He just needs more time. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Virgil said: I disagree. There's anomalies, but typically the majority of the QB's at the top of the overall stat sheets are pretty solid. I can only assume you've never worked with statistics. I used to test cell phones. My reports had said 1% of the phones had failure parametric tests A, B or C. No one came to investigate the repeated failures. I then combined the stats to say 5 phones out of 20 FAILED. The next day there was a line at my office to collect the failures for investigating the issues Magically these repeated failures became less and less 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Allen’s floor versus Taylor’s ceiling. Hmmm, was it too “journalistic” to bother with providing context to those numbers such as years of experience? What’s that you say? That wouldn’t mesh with your narrative? Thought so Jerry... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: I can only assume you've never worked with statistics. I used to test cell phones. My reports had said 1% of the phones had failure parametric tests A, B or C. No one came to investigate the repeated failures. I then combined the stats to say 5 phones out of 20 FAILED. The next day there was a line at my office to collect the failures for investigating the issues Magically these repeated failures became less and less Sorted by overall QB rating the last 2 years. Allen was 29 and 32 on both. I'd take at least 8 of those 10 QB's. Yes, stats can be a one off with garbage time or weak opponents. But, by the end of a season, it usually balances out and everyone gets their fair share of those situations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 43 minutes ago, Virgil said: I’m not saying the stats are good, bad, indicative of his career. Honestly, I have no idea. I want Josh to be the guy, same as I did TT and JP. I just found the stats interesting Stats without appropriate and necessary context can be tortured to admit to anything, and therefore are without meaningful substance. The folks against JA will use them as they see fit, and those who support him will point out the deficiencies in the information presented. Let’s see where we are at by year’s end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: So what Jerry is saying is Rookie Allen is equal to or better than Vet Tyrod. That’s actually great news I m o. Conveniently neglecting to recognize the turnover differential. Weird. Edited November 13, 2019 by Chicken Boo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Let’s see where we are at by year’s end. Probably in a much worse position at QB than people think we're at right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Probably in a much worse position at QB than people think we're at right now. Too bad we didn’t give up an entire draft to move to 1 to get Jameis Winston, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 By no measurable standard is Josh Allen recognized as playing good football. If you want to give him more time to prove himself, fine. Completely understandable, but don't pretend that what our eyes are seeing is good football. It's not. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, whorlnut said: Too bad we didn’t give up an entire draft to move to 1 to get Jameis Winston, huh? What does this have to do with Josh Allen being a bad QB? Please try to stay on topic. Just now, Chicken Boo said: By no measurable standard is Josh Allen recognized as playing good football. If you want to give him more time to prove himself, fine. Completely understandable, but don't pretend that what our eyes are seeing is good football. It's not. He's about one of the 4-5 worst starting QBs by every metric you can use to evaluate QBs. All while playing one of the easiest schedules in the NFL..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z-Mann Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Sure, if you use a single stat over the entirety of Josh Allen's career including the beginning of his rookie season when everyone agrees he was bad. Or you could look at how he's doing this year and see that he's at 213 YPG and trending up. While Tyrod Taylor decreased his YPG each year from 2015 to 2017. You could also see that Allen has improved in YPA, passer rating, completion percentage, TD percentage, INT percentage, ANY/A, and sack percentage from 2018 to 2019. But if you were a former employee of a dying newspaper you would probably go the other route. You're not wrong, but unpack that for a moment. If all of that is true, and he is STILL, statistically, one of the worst QB's in the league this year...he went from brutally bad to just bad? And we want to celebrate that? I expected more from the guy by now. If someone expected him to be one of the worst QB's in the league 9 games in, I would question what standard that they had for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Z-Mann said: he went from brutally bad to just bad? And we want to celebrate that? I think he went from bad to mediocre, and yes we should be decently happy with that progress. See my post here: Allen had every flaw you could think of in college outside of physical traits and decent intermediate accuracy. It's actually kind of amazing how many problems he's cleaned up. That's not to say we should be pleased with where he is, but I'm happy with his progress. It's all a matter of how far he develops. If this is his ceiling he's not good enough. But he's gone from Jamarcus Russell to Ryan Tannehill. I'll take that, for now. Edited November 13, 2019 by HappyDays 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Probably in a much worse position at QB than people think we're at right now. I appreciate your wit! Made me chuckle ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, jrober38 said: What does this have to do with Josh Allen being a bad QB? Please try to stay on topic. He's about one of the 4-5 worst starting QBs by every metric you can use to evaluate QBs. All while playing one of the easiest schedules in the NFL..... So you can admit you were dead wrong about Winston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts