jrober38 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Foxx said: much of her testimony boils down to differences in policy beliefs. since policy is set by the president, those qualms are immaterial. but i know... #impeach! Her testimony is regarding national security not necessarily foreign policy. She (and everyone who has testified before her) views Russia as a US adversary and Ukraine as an ally who needs to be supported to stop Russian aggression and influence. All of these people are career diplomats with extensive careers who know Russia is bad, and Ukraine needs help to resist Russia. It's not like her testimony is unique. Literally everyone who has testified has said the same things about what they thought was in the country's national interest. Edited November 21, 2019 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3rdnlng Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, Nanker said: Well, he does do a pretty fantastic on-air fart. You have to give him that. It's like the speed limit signs in New Jersey. They're really just a "suggestion." The famed New Jersey hospitality. They are so polite and considerate that they even honk their horns a second before the traffic light changes, just to let you know it's happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: Her testimony is regarding national security not foreign policy. She (and everyone who has testified before her) views Russia as a US adversary and Ukraine as an ally who needs to be supported to stop Russian aggression and influence. All of these people are career diplomats with extensive careers who know Russia is bad, and Ukraine needs help to resist Russia. And yet she was AGAINST arming the Ukranians until the aid was delayed. She supported sending them blankets and not arms. Trump armed them. Funded them. Killed Russians in Syria and the Ukraine... how is Trump's policies not in line with this? Right. It's not. 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: It's not like her testimony is unique. Literally everyone who has testified has said the same things about what they thought was in the country's national interest. And yet, they all had different opinions on this very issue when 44 was in office. What changed? Riiiiight. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Then yield the time and do not grandstand But what will they show on Fox News tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TakeYouToTasker Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Her testimony is regarding national security not foreign policy. She (and everyone who has testified before her) views Russia as a US adversary and Ukraine as an ally who needs to be supported to stop Russian aggression and influence. All of these people are career diplomats with extensive careers who know Russia is bad, and Ukraine needs help to resist Russia. It's not like her testimony is unique. Literally everyone who has testified has said the same things about what they thought was in the country's national interest. THAT IS FOREIGN POLICY. Good grief. You’re trying to split hairs on a bald pate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo_Gal Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Jim Jordan doing the Steele timeline and wrapping it up like Hill is super smart calling it. LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: THAT IS FOREIGN POLICY. Good grief. You’re trying to split hairs on a bald pate. It can't be. A President doesn't have the unilateral authority to declare was on countries he thinks may be a threat to US National Security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Jim Jordan doing the Steele timeline and wrapping it up like Hill is super smart calling it. LOL Sorry I was too busy looking over his shoulder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Her testimony is regarding national security not necessarily foreign policy. She (and everyone who has testified before her) views Russia as a US adversary and Ukraine as an ally who needs to be supported to stop Russian aggression and influence. All of these people are career diplomats with extensive careers who know Russia is bad, and Ukraine needs help to resist Russia. It's not like her testimony is unique. Literally everyone who has testified has said the same things about what they thought was in the country's national interest. your right, her testimony is not unique. almost all of those ho have testified have testified that Trumps foreign policy with regard to Ukraine is much stronger than it was when we were sending 'blankets' under Obama. Foreign Policy is National Interest is Foreign Policy. right? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: It can't be. A President doesn't have the unilateral authority to declare was on countries he thinks may be a threat to US National Security. Hot. Nonsense. That's all you've brought to this discussion for two straight days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Her testimony is regarding national security not necessarily foreign policy. She (and everyone who has testified before her) views Russia as a US adversary and Ukraine as an ally who needs to be supported to stop Russian aggression and influence. All of these people are career diplomats with extensive careers who know Russia is bad, and Ukraine needs help to resist Russia. It's not like her testimony is unique. Literally everyone who has testified has said the same things about what they thought was in the country's national interest. bro, the 80s called. They want their foreign policy back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Foxx said: your right, her testimony is not unique. almost all of those ho have testified have testified that Trumps foreign policy with regard to Ukraine is much stronger than it was when we were sending 'blankets' under Obama. Foreign Policy is National Interest is Foreign Policy. right? I'm not sure. Trump is in charge of foreign policy, but he can't unilaterally declare war on anyone. Seems like they can't possibly be the same thing. Congress was the body who passed the Ukraine Support Act, allocated funds and resources to combat Russian aggression in the area. It was signed into Law by Obama, but I'm not sure anyone considers it a key piece of his foreign policy. National Security seems like something multiple branches of government can contribute to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 They are. It's a race to get ahead of the OIG. They lost. Just now, jrober38 said: Trump is in charge of foreign policy, but he can't unilaterally declare war on anyone. WRONG. As W and Obama both proved. Your Canadian is showing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: They are. It's a race to get ahead of the OIG. They lost. WRONG. As W and Obama both proved. Your Canadian is showing. didn’t the Dems want Trump to attack Turkey a few weeks ago, or something like that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GG Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Her testimony is regarding national security not necessarily foreign policy. She (and everyone who has testified before her) views Russia as a US adversary and Ukraine as an ally who needs to be supported to stop Russian aggression and influence. All of these people are career diplomats with extensive careers who know Russia is bad, and Ukraine needs help to resist Russia. It's not like her testimony is unique. Literally everyone who has testified has said the same things about what they thought was in the country's national interest. If helping Ukraine is in the deep national national interest for the US, why are people more concerned about the Ukraine situation in an administration that actually provided the aid to Ukraine? Where was the indignation when Russians blew up a plane full of Malaysians and Dutch civilians, with no US response? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, dubs said: didn’t the Dems want Trump to attack Turkey a few weeks ago, or something like that? Yup. @jrober38 is lost in his own logical and factual failings. He's been programmed -- and when facts which counter this program are presented to him, his cognitive dissonance makes it impossible for him to comprehend them. Just look back to his comments yesterday for evidence of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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