Scott7975 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said: Brees get 5000 yard seasons, 300 yard games are nothing to him. Can't believe your using him to compare. I can't believe you are using the old tired "cant believe you are comparing them" line. He is comparing a specific stat between two QBs. Maybe Josh should be compared to a defensive end instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 22 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: https://brickwallblitz.com/2019/02/22/the-2018-19-deep-ball-project-part-1-3/#JameisWinston He took far more attempts at throws over 31 yards than most. And he's rated higher per the Football Outsiders guys than 8 other QBs .......some of whom attempted less than 10 throws over 31 yards. It's a misleading stupid stat bc you don't win in this league consistently throwing 31 plus freaking yards. You need elite WRs to consistently do that like Nuke, AB, Jones, Thomas... He has Zero this year, missing by 10ft or more on many of them. Throwing them on 3rd and 3. He is throwing them to our slowest receiver in Beasley. I never said I did not like Allen. Just saying he will not be leading us to the playoffs with zero long throws made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Josh Allen's long passes are fine, we need some wide receivers with longer arms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Honestly, I think some of them like Beasley one was just a throw away. Others you can tell when he gets upset that he missed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said: Brees get 5000 yard seasons, 300 yard games are nothing to him. Can't believe your using him to compare. Im not comparing him to anybody. If people can talk about joshs deep accuracy anybody else's deep accuracy is allowed to be brought up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 28 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: But Allen isn't even close to his receivers. How do you "learn" how to throw a deep ball accurately? Tua is the best I've ever seen at throwing a deep ball. He didn't "learn" how. He's just naturally good at it. Losman was pretty good, same with Bledsoe 27 minutes ago, Tesla03 said: we need to just stop with trying to turn Allen into Drew Brees and focus on his strengths he will never be an elite pocket passer. anyone with half a brain could have told you that when he got drafted. If the coaches would run 30-35 times a game, I would use play action or West Coast offense like with Steve Young 27 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Last year Brady was 7 of 21 in 31+. Allen was 6 of 21 in 31+. Both were actually bad. They were around 28-30%. The middle of the league was around 40%. I don't believe this discludes yards after the catch. I found it in something called "the deep ball project" if anyone wants to google it for themselves. Allen was not 6 of 21 in 31+ in the air, he had 3 last year, think all to Foster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said: Where are you getting BUST from, he is 6-3 this year. My question is can he go 5-2 with the teams we play next and can he win in the playoffs? Can we go 5-2 with Barkley and does Barkley lose us more games? This year we are winning because of our defense keeping cans within Josh's reach. this is only happening with bad teams though. You are obviously not paying attention well to the thread. Benching Allen now when showing progression is the art of stupidity and one that get's a HC and FO axed. If you start Barkley over a healthy Allen at this stage you are considering Allen a Bust. It's really that black and white. To your questions, you play Allen 100% weather he goes 2-5 or 5-2, this remains to be seen. I can careless what arm chair GM's think Barkley can do due to a 232yd 2TD game against the Jets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 27 minutes ago, row_33 said: i'd love to bring the hammer down on him but he's got a few more years to learn this game Kelly took Year 3 to start making the Bills epic, even after semi-pro experience in the USFL True as far as wins go but Kelly developed those good years throwing 300 yard games and allot of INT's learning. How can Josh learn missing by 10 yards throwing on third and 3 to Beasley? 28 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Aaron Rodgers did not throw a good deep ball coming out and now he has one of the world's best. He had bad mechanics and it hindered his delivery Same with Josh on his deep ball mechanics. Rodgers had 3 years on the bench to work out the kinks Coaches coach for a reason. If Josh is coachable , then he should be able to hone in his mechanics and throw deep as soon as next season Who is our QB coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 On the plus side Allen's footwork has greatly improved from last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 minute ago, USABuffaloFan said: True as far as wins go but Kelly developed those good years throwing 300 yard games and allot of INT's learning. How can Josh learn missing by 10 yards throwing on third and 3 to Beasley? i in no way want to force any of Jim Kelly's accomplishments as normative for Josh's career Joe Ferguson's accomplishments for sure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Josh Allen's long passes are fine, we need some wide receivers with longer arms. Don't forget big hands 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 27 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: If Josh cleans up his mechanics on deep balls he can easily be a big time deep ball thrower Rodgers couldn't throw deep coming out because bad mechanics , he corrected them and the deep ball came I am not arguing he can. I am asking if you think he can the next 7 games. That is all we got this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 25 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: I stopped reading right after the bold sentence. Should their coaches quit on Elway, Manning, Kelly, Farve, after 9 games? None of them looked very good at that point. Kelly had 3600 yards with that team in 86. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 28 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He missed a huge one to Brown that could have been a monster play. Some of them are just slightly off which kills YAC. He did have some great balls in the middle of the field. I could be wrong but he seems much more comfortable at hitting stationary targets rather than moving ones. He can gun sling a ball in when he sees his target, you are not wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 7 hours ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Your probably right. The coaches are brain washing him to play conservatively and protect the football so he is becoming scared to throw interceptions on the deep ball. They are damaging him. 7 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Matt Barkley threw more completed long passes in one game, then Allen has in 2 years Matt Barkley has nothing to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 After the two long INTs against the Pats he got up in front of the media and said McD brought in our record of how many wins to losses they have when he throws multiple INTs. Since then all his deep passes are long. I think right now he is terrified to throw a pick and it’s in his head. Meanwhile, he has went 4 games not throwing an Int. I bet McD loves that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said: I am not arguing he can. I am asking if you think he can the next 7 games. That is all we got this year! Realistically he can hit on a few this season but I wouldn't expect a super increase this season It's a mechanics thing which is muscle memory which he will have to correct in the off-season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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USABuffaloFan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 26 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Ok. Did Josh beat Tennessee, yes. Did Mahomes, no. Straw-man arguments rarely work in anyones favor unless you're just trying to say "I'm right!". Mahomes was picked 8th 1st round with Bills pick. We used KC's pick and our own pick to get Josh Allen the following year at 7th, one round earlier. Mahomes won allot of games last year and almost beat Brady. Mahomes can throw all the passes. Allen is no where ready to match up to him but has won allot of games one year later, same point in their careers. Josh is not at the same point as Mahomes was last year at this time. No way the outcomes will be the same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 gotta slug it out with Josh, folks this isn't Atari where i press reset or make a trade for the QB i wish was here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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