Stank_Nasty Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, nucci said: These next gen stats are useless well that's a bit naïve.... they aren't some "end all be all", they have their place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Would be great if he gets his 1st NFL sack on Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: My deal with this dude is that I don't think we should have drafted him with a need for offensive weapons. I'm warming up to him, but I'm not ready to consider him ANY kind of game changer at the moment. Who at pick 9 would you have rather drafted? I get wanting DK but he fell to the very late stages of the second round for a reason (and I would agree that the team would have been better served trading up for him from pick 76 but not taking him at pick 9 or 41.) I don't see what receivers were there instead of Ed Oliver that would have really changed the dimensions of the offense. Without Ed the team would only have J.Phillips and Star at DT thanks the Henry's injury. The team is also a bit old on the D-line only Henery and Shaq (who is on the last year of his deal) being true young players there. So not only does Ed help the team solidify their D-line depth but he is a key cog that the D-line can be built around the the next 5-7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Would be great if he gets his 1st NFL sack on Brady. Maybe a pass rush win rate will change the outcome of a game. Hm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: Maybe a pass rush win rate will change the outcome of a game. Hm. I think its already changed the outcome of plays and drives.... so it may be a help for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: I think its already changed the outcome of plays and drives.... so it may be a help for sure. Pass rush has been pretty anemic, so I don't think so. But hey, who knows. This guy could end up being good. Just not too hopeful about it at the moment. 3 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Who at pick 9 would you have rather drafted? I get wanting DK but he fell to the very late stages of the second round for a reason (and I would agree that the team would have been better served trading up for him from pick 76 but not taking him at pick 9 or 41.) I don't see what receivers were there instead of Ed Oliver that would have really changed the dimensions of the offense. Without Ed the team would only have J.Phillips and Star at DT thanks the Henry's injury. The team is also a bit old on the D-line only Henery and Shaq (who is on the last year of his deal) being true young players there. So not only does Ed help the team solidify their D-line depth but he is a key cog that the D-line can be built around the the next 5-7 years. Sorry, no offense. I have NO desire to rehash that conversation. Just go back to the draft threads and you'll see my objection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: My deal with this dude is that I don't think we should have drafted him with a need for offensive weapons. I'm warming up to him, but I'm not ready to consider him ANY kind of game changer at the moment. So you don't like a player and question his play, simply because you wanted a different guy drafted? Are you actually watching him play? It seems you're letting your preconceived draft beliefs guide your opinion long beyond the draft and just ignoring all facts to the contrary. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Pass rush has been pretty anemic, so I don't think so. But hey, who knows. This guy could end up being good. Just not too hopeful about it at the moment. after 3 games this is where you are at??? geez, man. 3 games in which he's been solid. not even bad. man, I've seen a ton of posts from you and they are all pretty level headed...… until Ed Oliver is the topic. Edited September 25, 2019 by Stank_Nasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Magox said: Yes, we get it. You dont. so if he wins his pass rush but the QB throws a TD.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Maybe a pass rush win rate will change the outcome of a game. Hm. Lol, I wonder..... I just hope he can win his matchups for the most part when he isnt double teamed and hopefully he can get Brady on the ground. I guess it couldn't be a better QB to get your 1st QB sack on. But main thing is hope Bills win before I hope he gets his 1st sack of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Dan said: So you don't like a player and question his play, simply because you wanted a different guy drafted? Are you actually watching him play? It seems you're letting your preconceived draft beliefs guide your opinion long beyond the draft and just ignoring all facts to the contrary. Cliffs Notes version: If my team is taking a DT at 9, he'd better be the next coming of Warren Sapp. Is Ed Oliver the next coming of Warren Sapp? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Pass rush has been pretty anemic, so I don't think so. But hey, who knows. This guy could end up being good. Just not too hopeful about it at the moment. Sorry, no offense. I have NO desire to rehash that conversation. Just go back to the draft threads and you'll see my objection. I am not going to do all that research but I just don't think the way the draft board fell that there was an pass catcher there that you could have justified taking over a player that was a complete steal at pick 9. I think the better argument is to have taken DK by trading back up into the second as he was falling close to pick 60. They wouldn't have had a chance to draft Singletary most likely as they would have had to package the pick used for him and one of their 4th rounders to make such a trade. But I would have much rather come away with Oliver, Ford DK, and taken a chance that Knox falls to the late 4th or take another TE there than to have had Oliver, Ford, Singletary, and Knox. But as with anything it is always going to come down to results. If Knox and Singletary end up as quality starters and DK's career is derailed with injuries it proves everyone wrong or right . 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Cliffs Notes version: If my team is taking a DT at 9, he'd better be the next coming of Warren Sapp. Is Ed Oliver the next coming of Warren Sapp? He was drawing comparisons to Aaron Donald and Jarrett both of whom are top DT's in the league. Is your issue that you think he won't ever be a Warren Sapp type player or that he isn't one right out of the gate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: He was drawing comparisons to Aaron Donald and Jarrett both of whom are top DT's in the league. Is your issue that you think he won't ever be a Warren Sapp type player or that he isn't one right out of the gate? I expect pretty much immediate impact from a top 10 pick, honestly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Cliffs Notes version: If my team is taking a DT at 9, he'd better be the next coming of Warren Sapp. Is Ed Oliver the next coming of Warren Sapp? How on earth would anyone be able to answer that after 3 games? If anyone thinks they know the answer this early then that’s pretty silly. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 As someone with an untrained eye, it is nice to see that Oliver is doing a lot even if it isn't showing on the stat sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Asking for a friend. Huh. I find it hard to believe you have any... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: I expect pretty much immediate impact from a top 10 pick, honestly. Would that be something like coming in and logging the most snaps on the inside of anyone on the team while the run d goes through a 3 game stretch of elite RB’s and comes out top ten in rush yds allowed? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 That's great. Shows his early success...he loves the game and is only going to get better. Eddie O...I dig the guy alot. He's humble, funny and infectious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, Lurker said: Huh. I find it hard to believe you have any... Oh aren't you clever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamkrgr Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Oliver has been pretty good in my view. Creates a bunch of havoc in the pocket. Chases ball carriers well. If this is his floor we should be very happy. I'm stoked to see how he progresses over the next few years as he gets stronger and more experienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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