Mr. WEO Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 The McBeane myth making has reached even dizzier heights...
stinky finger Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 7:36 PM, CardinalScotts said: the guys who discount culture typically never played athletics. its real yes winning fuels it but winning for a year doesn't build it. There is much more to it and that the part some guys don't get. Being accountable to each other, playing for someone besides yourself- if you don't get there you will only practice and play to what your mood/motivation is that day. If you can get where you play for each other not letting the others down motivates you. Again if you haven't been around athletics at a descent level you won't get it. (This is Schopp- Howie and Jeremy not an athletic bone in any of them Expand Yep Ask the Red Sox
Reed83HOF Posted August 12, 2019 Author Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 10:52 PM, BADOLBILZ said: Being a Bills and Yankees fan is about as big of a contrast as you can have. Expand Tell me about it. I expect excellence on one team and hope for a small degree of basic competence on the other... 1 1
row_33 Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 11:01 PM, klos63 said: But while Steinbrenner was suspended, they front office used that time to make smart moves to build the dynasty that George likely wouldn't have gone along with. Expand The A’s and Jays were pooped out after dominance for awhile, Collusion helped both a lot Yankees stepped right in for 1994, perfect timing
Mr. WEO Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) On 8/12/2019 at 7:36 PM, CardinalScotts said: the guys who discount culture typically never played athletics. its real yes winning fuels it but winning for a year doesn't build it. There is much more to it and that the part some guys don't get. Being accountable to each other, playing for someone besides yourself- if you don't get there you will only practice and play to what your mood/motivation is that day. If you can get where you play for each other not letting the others down motivates you. Again if you haven't been around athletics at a descent level you won't get it. (This is Schopp- Howie and Jeremy not an athletic bone in any of them Expand On 8/12/2019 at 11:31 PM, inaugural balls said: Yep Ask the Red Sox Expand Or the Bills of the SB era.... Edited August 13, 2019 by Mr. WEO
JohnC Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 7:26 PM, Gugny said: Borderline criminal. I hope he ends up with the Mets. Expand Why would you want to sack the current Met coach? The Mets are the surprise team in the league that has made a dramatic and stunning turn around. They were mocked when they acquired Stroman because most experts felt that they should have been dealing off their better players to get prospects. In the recent series with the Nationals in front of pack houses they won the series in closely fought games. Why rock the boat when it has been stabilized?
Gugny Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 12:56 AM, JohnC said: Why would you want to sack the current Met coach? The Mets are the surprise team in the league that has made a dramatic and stunning turn around. They were mocked when they acquired Stroman because most experts felt that they should have been dealing off their better players to get prospects. In the recent series with the Nationals in front of pack houses they won the series in closely fought games. Why rock the boat when it has been stabilized? Expand I will not partake in your jinx attempt. 2
JohnC Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 12:58 AM, Gugny said: I will not partake in your jinx attempt. Expand You are acting like WGR's Howard Simon. He is a neurotic Met fan when they lose and when they win. For some unique people one's instability can be one's stability.
Big Blitz Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 Thanks for sharing this! Mattingly was my hero growing up a Yankee fan in the late 80s. 2
billsfan89 Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 It's easy to say that team X built their culture and that's why they won after the team has completed a dynastic run. In the end the Yankees acquired talent both in a home grown variety and with volatile mercenaries thought that late 90's run. Talent almost above all else wins games. Yes having a good culture is a positive thing esp for sustained winning. But you can have a great culture but if you fail to develop and acquire talent then its a wrap no matter how professional and good your environment is. Many of the Phil Jackson coached Lakers and Bulls teams had a very volatile mix of players and personalities who disliked each other and yet they won 11 title included 3 threepeats in a 13 year period. The Yankees Bronx zoo won two titles and the players actively hated each other. In the end it always comes down to finding the right players at the right time putting them in the proper system to have success. It's two parts intelligence and one part luck (maybe two parts luck in football.) Culture is important I think more winning has been done with good cultures and talent than with just pure volatile talent. But I think comparing one team to another looks a bit silly as in the end talent is what it mostly comes down to. 1
eanyills Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 Ah yes, the D3 superstars are here to tell us how culture trumps talent in professional sports. ? 1
Gugny Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 1:04 AM, JohnC said: You are acting like WGR's Howard Simon. He is a neurotic Met fan when they lose and when they win. For some unique people one's instability can be one's stability. Expand Dammit, John!
row_33 Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 11:11 PM, BADOLBILZ said: Don't complain...........if Big Stein wasn't complicit in collusion in the 80's then early 90''s Blue Jays never win a WS. Broadly, not bidding on coveted pitchers cost the Yankees a lot of top pitching options. Specifically the Yankees refusing to bid on Jack Morris multiple times is what fueled the investigation into collusion and the 1992 Jays don't win without Jack. Expand Morris, Kirk Gibson, Tim Raines all in their prime would have put in pinstripes in a heartbeat On 8/12/2019 at 11:21 PM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Costanza calling out Steinbrenner and his massive ego is where I think the organization finally got on the straight and narrow. Expand Frank Constanza did a better job with Big Stein (voice was Larry David) forgetting his son was missing for days. On 8/12/2019 at 11:01 PM, klos63 said: But while Steinbrenner was suspended, they front office used that time to make smart moves to build the dynasty that George likely wouldn't have gone along with. Expand Every good team made interesting trades that weren’t ripoffs as they couldn’t sign free agents. Yankees showed up as the best teams fizzled, just like Jordan had to wait for the Celtics and then the Pistons to fall apart from old age before he could win
Alaska Darin Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 2:39 AM, row_33 said: Yankees showed up as the best teams fizzled, just like Jordan had to wait for the Celtics and then the Pistons to fall apart from old age before he could win Expand It isn't that simple. The Celtics and Pistons got older and the Bulls around MJ got much better and more mature. It's never as black and white as people make it out to be.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 1:04 AM, JohnC said: You are acting like WGR's Howard Simon. He is a neurotic Met fan when they lose and when they win. For some unique people one's instability can be one's stability. Expand Because he knows the Mets are a false hope in a lousy division.
Big Turk Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 7:36 PM, CardinalScotts said: the guys who discount culture typically never played athletics. its real yes winning fuels it but winning for a year doesn't build it. There is much more to it and that the part some guys don't get. Being accountable to each other, playing for someone besides yourself- if you don't get there you will only practice and play to what your mood/motivation is that day. If you can get where you play for each other not letting the others down motivates you. Again if you haven't been around athletics at a descent level you won't get it. (This is Schopp- Howie and Jeremy not an athletic bone in any of them Expand No different than the culture at companies and why some succeed or fail when seemingly they are doing the exact same things in the ssme markets
JohnC Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 9:40 AM, Joe in Winslow said: Because he knows the Mets are a false hope in a lousy division. Expand They did recently turn it around and give their fans some hope not only for the present but also the future. When you have the surge that they did by winning 16 out 18 games (around that #) that isn't a mirage. It is a reality that their recently near capacity crowds appreciate. Winning is winning. Don't sneer at it. Let the neurotic fans like Gugny have a scintilla of hope. He deserves it for all the punishment he has absorbed following them. 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 12:30 PM, JohnC said: They did recently turn it around and give their fans some hope not only for the present but also the future. When you have the surge that they did by winning 16 out 18 games (around that #) that isn't a mirage. It is a reality that their recently near capacity crowds appreciate. Winning is winning. Don't sneer at it. Let the neurotic fans like Gugny have a scintilla of hope. He deserves it for all the punishment he has absorbed following them. Expand I'm a Yankees fan. They will ALWAYS be the rejected red headed stepchild in my eyes.
Gugny Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 9:40 AM, Joe in Winslow said: Because he knows the Mets are a false hope in a lousy division. Expand The division is, indeed, lousy. More importantly, the entire NL is weak with the exception of a couple teams. That's why they're in the hunt. It would be nice, however, to play the Orioles 50 times/season like the Yankees do. Home or away, they're playing in little league fields. The fact of the matter is that the Mets are just as likely to get into the World Series as the Yankees are. 1 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 12:34 PM, Gugny said: The fact of the matter is that the Mets are just as likely to get into the World Series as the Yankees are. Expand I'm going to go out on a limb and say there's a 0.0% chance they get past the Dodgers. I know, edgy thoughts are edgy, but that's where I'm at. 1
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