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Mass shooting at El Paso Walmart/and also Dayton OH

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2 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

How many were open carrying there?

 

As I said, if more people carried these mass killings would be very limited.

 

Since when is armed security Martial Law?

 

I said while they were at it. 

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41 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

There are two legitimate responses to these events.

 

1)People want to run behind the protection of law enforcement.

2)People want to fight against the threat by arming themselves.

 

Neither are effective because it treats the symptoms and not the disease.

Unfortunately both political ideologies prevent them from taking steps to help; The left wants to normalize mental illness, and the right supports individual responsibility and due process.

 

 

Right. That’s the big takeaway here.

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14 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

But what about the criminals that carry handguns illegally? What type of test do they have to pass?

 

Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good. 

 

If a stronger background check stops 1 shooting, isn't that worth it?

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2 hours ago, Gary M said:

 

We have piles and piles of gun regulations, several of the most recent shooter obey them all. Some of the shooters broke many of them. Either way people were killed. Any loss of life is terrible, As posted previously in this thread death by shooting is still one of the least likely ways to die in the USA. Almost negligible. So for you to ask me to give up more freedom and/or pay more for my right to have a gun is not "common sense", it's knee jerk reactionary.

 

We need more 2 parent families, more faith and more personal responsibility. 

 

We need less participation trophies less Colin Kapernicks, and less kardashians.

 

 

 

For everyone but the shooter !!!!!

 

Give me a break with the 2 parent family crap.

 

And faith is behind most violence, including wars.

 

Get off your high horse.

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24 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Give me a break with the 2 parent family crap.

 

 

You're right.  He should have said "more fathers."  Children of single dads tend to turn out fine.  Children of single moms, not so much.

 

So it's not single parent families that are the problem so much as fatherless families.

 

Our world demonizes masculinity and punishes men and their children severely for the man choosing a poor mate (divorce, custody, alimony, and child support laws).  And now we're surprised when young men have no hope.  "wHaT aRe wE goNNa dO aBoUt tHiS crISiS???"  How about we stop alienating boys from their fathers and their masculinity and see how that goes for starters.

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45 minutes ago, Gugny said:

And faith is behind most violence, including wars.


False.

 

Give an instance of one modern war whose primary cause was religious difference.

 

1 hour ago, HeHateMe said:

 

Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good. 

 

If a stronger background check stops 1 shooting, isn't that worth it?

 

No.


Those who choose safety over liberty deserve neither and lose both.

 

 

20 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

 

You're right.  He should have said "more fathers."  Children of single dads tend to turn out fine.  Children of single moms, not so much.

 

So it's not single parent families that are the problem so much as fatherless families.

 

Our world demonizes masculinity and punishes men and their children severely for the man choosing a poor mate (divorce, custody, alimony, and child support laws).  And now we're surprised when young men have no hope.  "wHaT aRe wE goNNa dO aBoUt tHiS crISiS???"  How about we stop alienating boys from their fathers and their masculinity and see how that goes for starters.

 

THIS. There was no greater enemy to american society than LBJ. The great society destroyed communities, families and this nation as a whole. An unmitigated disaster on all fronts.

 

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7 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Give an instance of one modern war whose primary cause was religious difference.

ummmm  

 

The entire Middle East.   (lets not say oil) 

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1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

ummmm  

 

The entire Middle East.   (lets not say oil) 

 

Nnnnnnot quite. That's an ethnic issue, more than anything else.

 

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10 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:


False.

 

Give an instance of one modern war whose primary cause was religious difference.

 

 

Jihad/beheadings ring a bell?

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1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

Jihad/beheadings ring a bell?


See my response above.

 

Middle eastern wars, are by and large ethnic wars with religion used as an excuse.

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1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:


See my response above.

 

Middle eastern wars, are by and large ethnic wars with religion used as an excuse.

 

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2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Here's a question for you and @Gugny...which single ideological system is responsible for the most deaths on this planet since 1900?

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:


See my response above.

 

Middle eastern wars, are by and large ethnic wars with religion used as an excuse.

 

Then why, pray tell, do they always scream about Allah right before the terrorizing?

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1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

And faith is behind most violence, including wars.

 

 

Wrong it's religion not faith, sadly most people don't know the difference.

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1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

Then why, pray tell, do they always scream about Allah right before the terrorizing?

 

You must have missed the "as an excuse" part.

 

Muslims kill more muslims than any other kind of people, on the whole. The media sensationalizes the rest a bit more, fair to say?

 

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5 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Did the founding fathers promise a Gatling Gun in every garage?   They never thought of what modern advancements would bring.  

 

 

When 2A was written every gun was military style !!!!

 

When the British came to take their personal weapons they shot them with it, and they knew that no American should ever be stopped from having one.

 

When they wrote 1A did they know about the internet?

 

 

2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

54 seconds in ...  Jump the fence and leave the women behind 

 

 

Maybe he was showing them how to do it !!

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30 minutes ago, Gary M said:
3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

54 seconds in ...  Jump the fence and leave the women behind 

 

 

Maybe he was showing them how to do it !!

 

LOL    

 

That is not what she said 

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48 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

When 2A was written every gun was military style !!!!

 

When the British came to take their personal weapons they shot them with it, and they knew that no American should ever be stopped from having one.

 

When they wrote 1A did they know about the internet?

 

 

 

Maybe he was showing them how to do it !!

When the 2nd was written dueling was still legal as well.

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