Deranged Rhino Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, MPT said: Tax fraud (many times over) Never proven or charged Charity fraud Never proven or charged Sexual assault / harassment Never proven or charged Campaign finance fraud The Stormy/McDougal payouts are not crimes Violations of the fair housing act (I don't know enough about this) Casino fraud (I don't know enough about this) Lobbying violations - Never charged or proven or even hinted at Financial reporting violations (don't know enough about this) There are many more. Basically every aspect of his business and personal life is a massive crime report. He has been convicted of many of these. Others are still ongoing. You got a lot of hype in here and very little substance. (and none are from his time as a candidate or while in office) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, snafu said: Or being a Governor. Or not. My folks and many of my friends never held these positions, but I bet they'd have made great Presidents. Yes, Governor would be another one. My point was just that Obama held many of the same credentials / positions as many previous presidents and thus he had plenty of relevant experience, which the other poster insinuated that he did not. Claiming that being a community organizer was his only experience is an insult to his achievements and it's just ignorant defamation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You got a lot of hype in here and very little substance. (and none are from his time as a candidate or while in office) That list you posted, that doesn't copy when quoted, that for Trump or Hillary? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You got a lot of hype in here and very little substance. (and none are from his time as a candidate or while in office) Actually, a lot of those were convictions. A lot were settlements. And yes, paying hush money from campaign funds is a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, MPT said: Yes, Governor would be another one. My point was just that Obama held many of the same credentials / positions as many previous presidents and thus he had plenty of relevant experience, which the other poster insinuated that he did not. Claiming that being a community organizer was his only experience is an insult to his achievements and it's just ignorant defamation. how about a War General? how about the playboy son of millionaires, with a semi-serious health concern? It takes all kinds to be a President, you should know this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, MPT said: Yes, Governor would be another one. My point was just that Obama held many of the same credentials / positions as many previous presidents and thus he had plenty of relevant experience, which the other poster insinuated that he did not. Claiming that being a community organizer was his only experience is an insult to his achievements and it's just ignorant defamation. Whoa, whole lotta ? in that post. I think I'll grab some ? for the inevitable crash and burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You got a lot of hype in here and very little substance. (and none are from his time as a candidate or while in office) The stuff you said you didn't know about, aren't true either 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, row_33 said: how about a War General? how about the playboy son of millionaires, with a semi-serious health concern? It takes all kinds to be a President, you should know this.... General is another one I did not think of. I listed those other ones because 25 / 44 presidents have had law degrees and 16 were U.S. senators. 12 have been generals so that would also be relevant. Only one has never been elected to any previous public office or served in the military. It's the same one you mentioned in the second point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 45 minutes ago, row_33 said: in that realm of riches we had the Clippers go for $2 billion pointlessly private sales can go haywire easily Or any other sale of anything that is above "book" value, where even book value is somewhat arbitrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, GG said: The stuff you said you didn't know about, aren't true either They are, and they're very easy to look up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, MPT said: Actually, a lot of those were convictions. A lot were settlements. And yes, paying hush money from campaign funds is a crime. This is exactly what I was referring to earlier in this thread. If you are going to make allegations, substantiate them. If you are not going to substantiate them then your time here is not going to be very pleasant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, MPT said: They are, and they're very easy to look up. Ok then, provide the links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: This is exactly what I was referring to earlier in this thread. If you are going to make allegations, substantiate them. If you are not going to substantiate them then your time here is not going to be very pleasant. just another boneheaded pigheaded liberal come in for a few posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, MPT said: General is another one I did not think of. I listed those other ones because 25 / 44 presidents have had law degrees and 16 were U.S. senators. 12 have been generals so that would also be relevant. Only one has never been elected to any previous public office or served in the military. It's the same one you mentioned in the second point. So you're arguing for...an oligarchy? Or an aristocracy? A ruling class, at any rate... Basically, you think democracy is too important to be left to the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: This is exactly what I was referring to earlier in this thread. If you are going to make allegations, substantiate them. If you are not going to substantiate them then your time here is not going to be very pleasant. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump Go nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, The Red King said: That list you posted, that doesn't copy when quoted, that for Trump or Hillary? ? First, since we've never spoken down here: welcome. (same to MPT ) There's a learning curve down here, and I should have started slower because I value conversation and sharing ideas/information - not just saying "I'm right, you're wrong" and leaving it at that. Second - the crimes Clinton avoided responsibility for (so far) are far worse than anything Trump's done. She violated NatSec and sold out the country to foreign adversaries - including sensitive IC information which (more than likely) got dozens of CIA NOCs killed. She colluded with Russian intelligence officers to smear a political rival and then used the same outlets and connections to Russian IC to try to overthrow a legally elected POTUS. She committed treason and sedition - many times. That's not even in the same ball park as a (possibly) corrupt business magnate getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar. 5 minutes ago, MPT said: Actually, a lot of those were convictions. A lot were settlements. And yes, paying hush money from campaign funds is a crime. It's not a campaign violation when it came from personal funds. John Edwards proves this as well. Hanging your hat on Stormy and McDougal is a sure way to end up disappointed. The only thing worse to hang your hat on is Russian collusion/conspiracy which has been proven to be bunk after two + years of hype. Big changes are coming in the narrative. I suggest you prepare for disappointment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You got a lot of hype in here and very little substance. (and none are from his time as a candidate or while in office) He violated the Fair Housing Act back in the 70s. Or was accused of it, at least. The District Court in NY dismissed the complaint "with prejudice." The other two you "don't know enough about" are largely bull####. Hell, "casino fraud" isn't even a thing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, MPT said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump Go nuts. Which of those incidents should he have been jailed for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 We aren't going to rehash Stormy Daniels all over again for no reason, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: He violated the Fair Housing Act back in the 70s. Or was accused of it, at least. The District Court in NY dismissed the complaint "with prejudice." The other two you "don't know enough about" are largely bull####. Hell, "casino fraud" isn't even a thing. The Fair Housing Act violations were in relations to Trump Village (Dad's properties) and common to ALL large real-estate developments in NYC at the time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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