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My Hypothetical Julio Jones Trade....Yes or No?

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Yes at the right price.  Your scenario is not the right price nor will that trade occur.

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39 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Yes. agree that medical advances,  better training and diets, and reduced physical workload ( not as many full impact training sessions as in prior years) will lead to longer player longevity..

 

I don't think we can just assume this though in relation to all or specific players.. .

 

Too many variables,  eg injuries, form and desire will play their part..

 

These guys don't come from a cookie cutter ..

 

 

 

 

Generally speaking though.... to be a franchise qb, you largely are carrying certain competitive traits that don’t lend themselves to hanging it up early just because.

 

obviously injuries may change that. Likewise he could get hit by a bus tomorrow and really catapult Julio onto the market. But in the grand scheme I think it’s pretty darn safe to say Matt Ryan will have more than a couple years left. 

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Bills:

 

9th

2019 3rd

 

Atlanta

 

14th

Julio

 

Not giving up anything more for an oft injured receiver pushing 30 and a murky contract.

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7 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

 

Generally speaking though.... to be a franchise qb, you largely are carrying certain competitive traits that don’t lend themselves to hanging it up early just because.

 

obviously injuries may change that. Likewise he could get hit by a bus tomorrow and really catapult Julio onto the market. But in the grand scheme I think it’s pretty darn safe to say Matt Ryan will have more than a couple years left. 

 

 

Lets revisit the situation in 2025.. Its all speculation until then...

 

Wouldn't it be funny if Julio is still playing and Matty has retired.. Julio will only be as old as Larry Fitzgerald is now...

 

7 minutes ago, LikeIGiveADarn said:

Bills:

 

9th

2018 3rd

 

Atlanta

 

14th

Julio

 

Not giving up anything more for an oft injured receiver pushing 30 and a murky contract.

 

He has two pretty cheap years left.... That's part of the reason you trade for him right?

 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, LikeIGiveADarn said:

Bills:

 

9th

2018 3rd

 

Atlanta

 

14th

Julio

 

Not giving up anything more for an oft injured receiver pushing 30 and a murky contract.

 

Hes missed 3 of his last 80 games while averaging like 100 catches a season over the stretch. Oft injured? Outside the foot injury, pretty durable truly. 

 

As for the contract- you’d assume there’d be an agreement in principal atleast before a trade.

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18 minutes ago, LikeIGiveADarn said:

Bills:

 

9th

2018 3rd

 

Atlanta

 

14th

Julio

 

Not giving up anything more for an oft injured receiver pushing 30 and a murky contract.

This is actually an interesting scenario. A swap of 2019 firsts and a 2019 3rd and maybe in throw in a 2020 3rd for Julio. I would actually like that a lot

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2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

 

Lets revisit the situation in 2025.. Its all speculation until then...

 

Wouldn't it be funny if Julio is still playing and Matty has retired.. Julio will only be as old as Larry Fitzgerald is now...

 

 

He has two pretty cheap years left.... That's part of the reason you trade for him right?

 

 

 

 

 

Distinctly possible. If you had to bet though I’m guessing you take the qb lasting longer than the wr. Though similarly the new rules benefit each lasting longer than predecessors did. 

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3 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

True and the scoring in our league is PPR  for WR 1 point for every 15 yards, so need TD's to rack up the points.  There were many weeks he didn't make his projection.

 

I also have Fornette, so need to decide between the two.  Fornette had a terrible year, but will see if he does get cut/traded or they gear the offense around him.

Haha weird scoring system. Not very Julio friendly. But.. definitely keep him I am in PPR 10 per. The TDs suck I always figure "he's due"

Don't keep fournette. You have one of the top WRs coming off his 2nd best year.

 

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On 2/4/2019 at 8:12 PM, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Jones is no youngster.  I'd pass.

He only lead the league in yards last year. Yeah. Getting too old. 

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On 2/4/2019 at 7:08 PM, ndirish1978 said:

 

Not just to get to 9, this is an exercise in futility scenario if I've ever seen one

A second round pick to move into the top 10 is definitely not unreasonable.  We gave up 2 of them last draft to make a similar move. 12 to 7

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On 2/5/2019 at 8:35 AM, John from Riverside said:

Not at Jones age

 

 

This.

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11 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Appreciate this is all just speculation, and I suspect you like me don't really think he will be traded.. not this off season anyway..

 

I just checked up on the history of the Graham trade and saw that the Saints got a first rounder and a starting C (Max Unger) in return .. that's pretty nice compensation in my view...

 

Would Atlanta get the same for Julio?  There are people here speculating that a 2nd will get it done ( which I don't see mind you..)

 

I'm sure all players are available to be traded at the right price... its whether the right price gets offered that tempts Atlanta...

 

I also think that if the Falcons motivation is a means of creating cap space,  then other options are available before they need to move on Julio..

 

 

 

 

A second rounder ain't gonna' get it done.........nor will a 2019 second and a first in 2020, IMO.

 

The 9th pick in this draft is worth a lot more than that.

 

The 15th pick would probably be worth more too should the Bills trade back,  but I don't think they could wait until draft day to swing the deal because a new contract for Julio will be a prerequisite for any trade to go thru.

 

I think there is probably a 1 in 3 chance Jones is dealt..........it just makes a lot of sense versus stacking on another $30M or so in cap hits over the next 4 years.........it's not just about creating space now.........keeping him will require a significant additional investment in him.

 

I think it's more likely that a team picking later in the first round would swing the deal and give them multiple picks for Julio.

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12 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Appreciate this is all just speculation, and I suspect you like me don't really think he will be traded.. not this off season anyway..

 

I just checked up on the history of the Graham trade and saw that the Saints got a first rounder and a starting C (Max Unger) in return .. that's pretty nice compensation in my view...

 

Would Atlanta get the same for Julio?  There are people here speculating that a 2nd will get it done ( which I don't see mind you..)

 

I'm sure all players are available to be traded at the right price... its whether the right price gets offered that tempts Atlanta...

 

I also think that if the Falcons motivation is a means of creating cap space,  then other options are available before they need to move on Julio..

 

 

Let's not forget either that Unger is a borderline elite center - first team all-pro once plus multiple pro bowls. 

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1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Let's not forget either that Unger is a borderline elite center - first team all-pro once plus multiple pro bowls. 

 

Yeah- they certainly paid a premium for Graham.. Think the Saints got the better of the deal.. ..

 

 

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Thought I would bring this one back now that we are closer to the draft.

 

Since the Bills filled so many holes through FA, would this type of trade make more sense now?

 

If the Bills could move down in the first round, pick up an extra second rounder, and trade both 2nd round picks for Julio Jones, would you do it?

 

What are the trade scenarios that you think could land Julio?

 

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Just now, Special K said:

Thought I would bring this one back now that we are closer to the draft.

 

Since the Bills filled so many holes through FA, would this type of trade make more sense now?

 

If the Bills could move down in the first round, pick up an extra second rounder, and trade both 2nd round picks for Julio Jones, would you do it?

 

What are the trade scenarios that you think could land Julio?

 

 

There are none, Atl is going to extend hm.  He isnt going to be available.  Neither is AJ Green.  

 

Draft will be where we get a WR

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On 2/4/2019 at 7:20 PM, Buffalo03 said:

I have posted about this before. I personally don't think we will have to give up a first to get Julio at his age and I think that the Falcons could give him up for a few reasons

 

1. Julio held out for more money last training camp and failed to show up until they reworked his deal. I really don't think the Falcons are gonna want to deal with this again especially since this will be their last chance to get something reasonable for him considering he's 30

 

2. The Falcons don't really have a whole lot of cap space. And having Julio on their roster really hasn't made much of a difference the last couple of years for them even with paying him all that money

 

3. They drafted Calvin Ridley last year who caught 6 or 7 TDs as a rookie. They might be willing to move on from Julio to see what they have in Ridley

 

4. the Falcons need major defensive help and will need a ton of draft capital to build it back up and will probably be willing to accumulate some picks to do so

 

Julio is the guy I want Beane to go after the most

This might be the most likely scenario. If Oliver drops to 9. You may see the Falcons try to trade up from 14. That may get your window. Give us #14 and Julio and we’ll package it with #9 and something else. Maybe nothing else. If you think Julio is worth only a 2nd. Then the math pretty much works out. 

 

Anyone that hat wants to call me crazy can go ahead. But more has been given up to move less. 

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6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

There are none, Atl is going to extend hm.  He isnt going to be available.  Neither is AJ Green.  

 

Draft will be where we get a WR

In Miller’s latest scouting notebook, Metcalf was mentioned as a favorite to land with the Packers or Buffalo Bills based on what he’s currently hearing.

Miller said no league sources he’s spoken with have disregarded the rumors.

“Metcalf’s landing spot is one of the most interesting questions regarding this (draft) class,” he later added.

Then there’s Kiper, who released his latest mock draft earlier this week. Kiper is known for projecting players to teams based on what he’s hearing from league sources rather than how he thinks the board should fall. He had the Packers selecting Metcalf at No. 12 overall in his latest mock, calling him an “out-of-this-world” athlete.

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38 minutes ago, the skycap said:

In Miller’s latest scouting notebook, Metcalf was mentioned as a favorite to land with the Packers or Buffalo Bills based on what he’s currently hearing.

Miller said no league sources he’s spoken with have disregarded the rumors.

“Metcalf’s landing spot is one of the most interesting questions regarding this (draft) class,” he later added.

Then there’s Kiper, who released his latest mock draft earlier this week. Kiper is known for projecting players to teams based on what he’s hearing from league sources rather than how he thinks the board should fall. He had the Packers selecting Metcalf at No. 12 overall in his latest mock, calling him an “out-of-this-world” athlete.

Frankenstein like agility.

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On 2/5/2019 at 11:30 PM, Buffalo03 said:

This is actually an interesting scenario. A swap of 2019 firsts and a 2019 3rd and maybe in throw in a 2020 3rd for Julio. I would actually like that a lot

 

Of course you’d like that scenario a lot. It values Julio Jones at the 43rd pick of this draft, which is a total joke.  (It’s be just slightly better with the addition 3rd mentioned.)  No, Atlanta would laugh the Bills offer out of the room if they made that offer.  He’s a top 5 WR in the league.  

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Given Matt Ryan's window and recent comments from Blank I'd be shocked if they traded Jones.  

 

If they were shopping him I'd absolutely take that hypothetical deal.  The problem is that's way too much for the Redskins or Steelers to give up even if it is for a quarterback.

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On 2/5/2019 at 10:27 PM, Aussie Joe said:

 

 

Lets revisit the situation in 2025.. Its all speculation until then...

 

Wouldn't it be funny if Julio is still playing and Matty has retired.. Julio will only be as old as Larry Fitzgerald is now...

 

 

He has two pretty cheap years left.... That's part of the reason you trade for him right?

 

 

 

 

It is pretty much written he would only come with a new deal. He and others have seen how AB played the Steelers. Jones will not have all the drama of needing a new deal but he will likely get one as terms of a trade.

 

He would be financially not smart, and his agent a very poor talent, to not take advantage of this environment(him being traded) of getting a new deal. Especially considering if he just agrees to go to new team and play next two years on current deal his market value will be severely compromised in two years when he is approaching 33 years old. 

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On 4/13/2019 at 3:25 PM, Special K said:

Thought I would bring this one back now that we are closer to the draft.

 

Since the Bills filled so many holes through FA, would this type of trade make more sense now?

 

If the Bills could move down in the first round, pick up an extra second rounder, and trade both 2nd round picks for Julio Jones, would you do it?

 

What are the trade scenarios that you think could land Julio?

 

 

 

1) Yes.   The best thing the Bills can do now is add a player who could make Josh Allen look great until the point where he can do it himself.   This is why so many teams that have been successful with young QB's recently have paid the price for star veteran WR to prop up young QB's.     Adding a great DT would be nice but the long term success of a franchise is all about the QB.    Defensive success is generally very fleeting.   Good QB play is how you stay consistently relevant for 15+ years.

 

2) Yes.

 

3) I've stopped considering trade scenarios since Arthur Blank has repeatedly and adamantly declared that Julio Jones and Grady Jarrett will be Falcons for LIFE.

 

 

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