RPbillsfan Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 There is a lot of talk of a team like the Redskins trading up possibly with the Bills to get the QB of their choice. I'm thinking the QB market goes like this: Foles to Jacksonville Bridgewater to Miami Flacco to Miami Tannehill to Washington Haskins to NY Giants Lock to Denver With this a very possible scenario, I see the trade up being with Atlanta going up for a DT. Here is my first picks thru the Buffalo trade down Arizona - Nick Bosa San Francisco - Josh Allen NY Jets - Quentin Williams Oakland - Clelin Ferrell Tampa Bay - Greedy Williams NY Giants - Dwayne Haskins Jacksonville - Ed Oliver Detroit - Devin White Atlanta - Christian Wilkins Denver - Drew Lock Cincinnati - Kyler Murray Green Bay - Deonte Thompson Miami - Dexter Lawrence Buffalo - Dalton Risner Bills trade from 9 to 14 get Falcons 3rd and 4th Bills get a versatile guy with great leadership and position flexibility. Will allow the hopeful addition of T Darryl Williams to play RT and maybe a Quentin Spain or Reuben Foster to play G and keeping Jeff Boline for depth. Starting offensive line Dawkins Teller Risner Foster Williams, depth before round 2 of the draft is Bodine and Bottenger and possible Jordan Mills as swing T. Hopefully Bills look at WR in round 2, either Hakeem Butler, Deebo Samuels or DK Metcalf Round 3 - Picks 74 & 79 Round 4 - Picks 105, 110, 124 Round 5 - Picks 136 147 Of course picks 4th and later are affected by added compensatory choices to be determined. I would consider possibly trading both 3rds to move up in 2nd if Iowa TE Hockenson is available This also assumes we resign Jordan Phillips and add a WR in FA 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: There is a lot of talk of a team like the Redskins trading up possibly with the Bills to get the QB of their choice. I'm thinking the QB market goes like this: Foles to Jacksonville Bridgewater to Miami Flacco to Miami Tannehill to Washington Haskins to NY Giants Lock to Denver With this a very possible scenario, I see the trade up being with Atlanta going up for a DT. Here is my first picks thru the Buffalo trade down Arizona - Nick Bosa San Francisco - Josh Allen NY Jets - Quentin Williams Oakland - Clelin Ferrell Tampa Bay - Greedy Williams NY Giants - Dwayne Haskins Jacksonville - Ed Oliver Detroit - Devin White Atlanta - Christian Wilkins Denver - Drew Lock Cincinnati - Kyler Murray Green Bay - Deonte Thompson Miami - Dexter Lawrence Buffalo - Dalton Risner Bills trade from 9 to 14 get Falcons 3rd and 4th Bills get a versatile guy with great leadership and position flexibility. Will allow the hopeful addition of T Darryl Williams to play RT and maybe a Quentin Spain or Reuben Foster to play G and keeping Jeff Boline for depth. Starting offensive line Dawkins Teller Risner Foster Williams, depth before round 2 of the draft is Bodine and Bottenger and possible Jordan Mills as swing T. Hopefully Bills look at WR in round 2, either Hakeem Butler, Deebo Samuels or DK Metcalf Round 3 - Picks 74 & 79 Round 4 - Picks 105, 110, 124 Round 5 - Picks 136 147 Of course picks 4th and later are affected by added compensatory choices to be determined. I would consider possibly trading both 3rds to move up in 2nd if Iowa TE Hockenson is available This also assumes we resign Jordan Phillips and add a WR in FA I like the idea of trading down and there could be some opportunities to do so. Ideally, I'd like to move to about the middle of the first round and draft Hockenson. To me he is a tremendous fit and a position of need. Hockenson is a relentless blocker and could help the run game on the edge. He is also an excellent pass catcher. Because he is so versatile and his demeanor/character seems to be top notch, I would expect him to be drafted by some team in the middle of the first. Getting a game breaker like a Kelce/Kittle can make a huge difference for an offense and a young quarterback. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 I'm expecting a run on Offensive linemen to start just outside the top ten. So many teams need them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 I just don't see anyone trading up for anything but a QB this year. There are lots of great DT's in the draft, it wouldn't make sense to give up so much and draft a guy that might land in your lap anyway. Your scenario is interesting though. The key to getting a trade back is having a qb needy team think the team behind you is going to take a QB. In our case that's Denver, which is good. Look at what the Colts and Tampa got in their tradebacks last year. Huge value for just moving a handful of spots, and they still got the guys the wanted (Quentin Nelson and Vita Vea) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 In a DT heavy class, Atlanta would need to love the guy to move up. There are so many options at that position in this draft. I do think we could find a team to trade with us however. Adding more picks early should be Brandon Beane's goal. The trade down is a great option and we happen to be in a spot that could be easily tradable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: I just don't see anyone trading up for anything but a QB this year. There are lots of great DT's in the draft, it wouldn't make sense to give up so much and draft a guy that might land in your lap anyway. Your scenario is interesting though. The key to getting a trade back is having a qb needy team think the team behind you is going to take a QB. In our case that's Denver, which is good. Look at what the Colts and Tampa got in their tradebacks last year. Huge value for just moving a handful of spots, and they still got the guys the wanted (Quentin Nelson and Vita Vea) I would hope a team that has a QB need ahead of Minnesota comes up and we can do a trade down. A QB does allow a greater return on the trade down package. The problem I see is there are enough QB's to fill the holes and honestly Dolphins may keep RT and live with an awful season and get one of the top QB's in 2020 draft even lessening our chances to get a trade down. I think we have to stay in front of Vikings to draft Risner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: There is a lot of talk of a team like the Redskins trading up possibly with the Bills to get the QB of their choice. I'm thinking the QB market goes like this: Foles to Jacksonville Bridgewater to Miami Flacco to Miami Tannehill to Washington Haskins to NY Giants Lock to Denver With this a very possible scenario, I see the trade up being with Atlanta going up for a DT. Here is my first picks thru the Buffalo trade down Arizona - Nick Bosa San Francisco - Josh Allen NY Jets - Quentin Williams Oakland - Clelin Ferrell Tampa Bay - Greedy Williams NY Giants - Dwayne Haskins Jacksonville - Ed Oliver Detroit - Devin White Atlanta - Christian Wilkins Denver - Drew Lock Cincinnati - Kyler Murray Green Bay - Deonte Thompson Miami - Dexter Lawrence Buffalo - Dalton Risner Bills trade from 9 to 14 get Falcons 3rd and 4th Bills get a versatile guy with great leadership and position flexibility. Will allow the hopeful addition of T Darryl Williams to play RT and maybe a Quentin Spain or Reuben Foster to play G and keeping Jeff Boline for depth. Starting offensive line Dawkins Teller Risner Foster Williams, depth before round 2 of the draft is Bodine and Bottenger and possible Jordan Mills as swing T. Hopefully Bills look at WR in round 2, either Hakeem Butler, Deebo Samuels or DK Metcalf Round 3 - Picks 74 & 79 Round 4 - Picks 105, 110, 124 Round 5 - Picks 136 147 Of course picks 4th and later are affected by added compensatory choices to be determined. I would consider possibly trading both 3rds to move up in 2nd if Iowa TE Hockenson is available This also assumes we resign Jordan Phillips and add a WR in FA I think it will cost 2nd and 4th for that trade. Itcost us 2 Second rouders last year to move up to 7. They would only be moving up to 9 but its still in the top 10. I dont see Beane moving out of the top 10 for an additional 3 and 4. I thnk he wants an additional 2nd for a possibility to move back into the first. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 I think the Jets are the likeliest candidate to move down. They won't be in the market for a QB, they desperately need offensive help, and they will be looking to recoup the second round pick they traded to Indy last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: I think it will cost 2nd and 4th for that trade. Itcost us 2 Second rouders last year to move up to 7. They would only be moving up to 9 but its still in the top 10. I dont see Beane moving out of the top 10 for an additional 3 and 4. I thnk he wants an additional 2nd for a possibility to move back into the first. Yeah you don't move out of the top 10 for 3rd and 4th rounders. A move from 9 to 14 would need at least a second rounder maybe 2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: I think it will cost 2nd and 4th for that trade. Itcost us 2 Second rouders last year to move up to 7. They would only be moving up to 9 but its still in the top 10. I dont see Beane moving out of the top 10 for an additional 3 and 4. I thnk he wants an additional 2nd for a possibility to move back into the first. Yeah that sounds about right. Like Beaner said, it's SO nice to not have to worry about getting a QB, unless you're picking 1 or 2 you have to bend over and overpay badly to get into the mix. We're going to end up with at least 11 picks this year, I can feel it. It's the perfect draft class to hit a home run. We could literally draft an entire offense or defense with that many picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: I just don't see anyone trading up for anything but a QB this year. There are lots of great DT's in the draft, it wouldn't make sense to give up so much and draft a guy that might land in your lap anyway. Your scenario is interesting though. The key to getting a trade back is having a qb needy team think the team behind you is going to take a QB. In our case that's Denver, which is good. Look at what the Colts and Tampa got in their tradebacks last year. Huge value for just moving a handful of spots, and they still got the guys the wanted (Quentin Nelson and Vita Vea) The Denver scenario is what has me hopeful, but if Murray and Haskins go before 9 with no trade ups, are there any QBs left worth trading up with us before Denver? Even Denver might trade up if they feel the Giants or Jax will go for either, depending on how they come out of FA. It's an especially hard year to gauge that scenario just by the nature of the draft class, not that it's easy to do so any year, but given the QB class versus the class talent by position it's just that much hard to estimate. I would love a trade back scenario as it would likely open the door for more offensive value to become BPA in the late first early second. But if there's a guy we value as BPA at 9 and don't get a better offer, look for Beane to go BPA. As far as OP mentions with the starting line, I'm more and more willing to entertain Dawkins moving to the interior. I like the idea of Risner as well. I'm not sure D. Williams could seal the LT, but I'd imagine something along the lines of Williams/Dawkins/Paradis,Morse,Kalil/Teller/Risner. Wildcard FAs like Glowinski, JuWann James, or others come into play for a mix up. But assuming we're able to land 1-2 of the above, one of which capable of holding the left edge, I would really like to see what Dawkins can do from the interior as I think we've had Richie's replacement all along. Teller may develop into this role, but for now his ceiling is still unknown and development dependent. There's a million ways to address the OL hypothetically, but FA will ultimately determine who stays and goes. But should we trade back, depending on with whom and what we get back, I could see Risner making his way over here and addressing a skill position with the next pick (WR/TE). But should they stay, I could see BPA value at DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: Yeah that sounds about right. Like Beaner said, it's SO nice to not have to worry about getting a QB, unless you're picking 1 or 2 you have to bend over and overpay badly to get into the mix. We're going to end up with at least 11 picks this year, I can feel it. It's the perfect draft class to hit a home run. We could literally draft an entire offense or defense with that many picks. I honestly think we walk away making 6 or 7 picks is all. I think we end up moving up a couple times and possibly push a pick into next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 I think, if we do trade down, it’ll be with Washington so they can get their QB. Oakland is actually a dark horse for a big trade up, I think. I doubt they take a QB at 4, but if someone is sitting at the end of the 8 that they want and they’re afraid Denver will take, I could see Gruden going for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mark92 said: Yeah you don't move out of the top 10 for 3rd and 4th rounders. A move from 9 to 14 would need at least a second rounder maybe 2. The draft value chart shows the 9th pick at 1350 points, the 14th pick at 1100 points, Atlanta's choice in the 2nd round is worth 400 points. The Bills in a deep draft could do very well with 5 picks total in rounds 3 & 4 and could dangle some of them to move back up into the 2nd round 2 minutes ago, ctk232 said: The Denver scenario is what has me hopeful, but if Murray and Haskins go before 9 with no trade ups, are there any QBs left worth trading up with us before Denver? Even Denver might trade up if they feel the Giants or Jax will go for either, depending on how they come out of FA. It's an especially hard year to gauge that scenario just by the nature of the draft class, not that it's easy to do so any year, but given the QB class versus the class talent by position it's just that much hard to estimate. I would love a trade back scenario as it would likely open the door for more offensive value to become BPA in the late first early second. But if there's a guy we value as BPA at 9 and don't get a better offer, look for Beane to go BPA. As far as OP mentions with the starting line, I'm more and more willing to entertain Dawkins moving to the interior. I like the idea of Risner as well. I'm not sure D. Williams could seal the LT, but I'd imagine something along the lines of Williams/Dawkins/Paradis,Morse,Kalil/Teller/Risner. Wildcard FAs like Glowinski, JuWann James, or others come into play for a mix up. But assuming we're able to land 1-2 of the above, one of which capable of holding the left edge, I would really like to see what Dawkins can do from the interior as I think we've had Richie's replacement all along. Teller may develop into this role, but for now his ceiling is still unknown and development dependent. There's a million ways to address the OL hypothetically, but FA will ultimately determine who stays and goes. But should we trade back, depending on with whom and what we get back, I could see Risner making his way over here and addressing a skill position with the next pick (WR/TE). But should they stay, I could see BPA value at DL. Honestly one scenario I can see is a Dawkins move inside to guard. Then we would need two tackles in FA, still start Teller and draft Risner at play C with Bodine and Botteger as depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 45 minutes ago, racketmaster said: I like the idea of trading down and there could be some opportunities to do so. Ideally, I'd like to move to about the middle of the first round and draft Hockenson. To me he is a tremendous fit and a position of need. Hockenson is a relentless blocker and could help the run game on the edge. He is also an excellent pass catcher. Because he is so versatile and his demeanor/character seems to be top notch, I would expect him to be drafted by some team in the middle of the first. Getting a game breaker like a Kelce/Kittle can make a huge difference for an offense and a young quarterback. I like this idea as well. Hockenson is a very good blocker and a pretty good/reliable receiver. Addresses pass catching and helps OL with one player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: The draft value chart shows the 9th pick at 1350 points, the 14th pick at 1100 points, Atlanta's choice in the 2nd round is worth 400 points. The Bills in a deep draft could do very well with 5 picks total in rounds 3 & 4 and could dangle some of them to move back up into the 2nd round Honestly one scenario I can see is a Dawkins move inside to guard. Then we would need two tackles in FA, still start Teller and draft Risner at play C with Bodine and Botteger as depth It's the two tackle part that gets me - I think the move inside becomes more likely if we get a tackle in FA and draft a guy like Risner who could play RT. But for edge consideration, it might make more sense to have the experience on the edges at first, unless a young guy like Risner or whoever that might be, can anchor the edge well out the gate. If we can land a Center and Tackle (hopeful) in FA, I wouldn't mind seeing something like FA/Dawkins/Bodine or FA/Teller/Risner or Draft Pick. I really just want to see one play where we pull both Teller and Dawkins and just tell them to go pancaking...just see what happens to those LBs at the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: There is a lot of talk of a team like the Redskins trading up possibly with the Bills to get the QB of their choice. I'm thinking the QB market goes like this: Foles to Jacksonville Bridgewater to Miami Flacco to Miami Tannehill to Washington Haskins to NY Giants Lock to Denver With this a very possible scenario, I see the trade up being with Atlanta going up for a DT. Here is my first picks thru the Buffalo trade down Arizona - Nick Bosa San Francisco - Josh Allen NY Jets - Quentin Williams Oakland - Clelin Ferrell Tampa Bay - Greedy Williams NY Giants - Dwayne Haskins Jacksonville - Ed Oliver Detroit - Devin White Atlanta - Christian Wilkins Denver - Drew Lock Cincinnati - Kyler Murray Green Bay - Deonte Thompson Miami - Dexter Lawrence Buffalo - Dalton Risner Bills trade from 9 to 14 get Falcons 3rd and 4th Bills get a versatile guy with great leadership and position flexibility. Will allow the hopeful addition of T Darryl Williams to play RT and maybe a Quentin Spain or Reuben Foster to play G and keeping Jeff Boline for depth. Starting offensive line Dawkins Teller Risner Foster Williams, depth before round 2 of the draft is Bodine and Bottenger and possible Jordan Mills as swing T. Hopefully Bills look at WR in round 2, either Hakeem Butler, Deebo Samuels or DK Metcalf Round 3 - Picks 74 & 79 Round 4 - Picks 105, 110, 124 Round 5 - Picks 136 147 Of course picks 4th and later are affected by added compensatory choices to be determined. I would consider possibly trading both 3rds to move up in 2nd if Iowa TE Hockenson is available This also assumes we resign Jordan Phillips and add a WR in FA looks good but Risner isnt going that high . More likely to get Metcalf or Hockenson at that spot and Risner in the second. Edited January 25, 2019 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 I like it. I would do that. But Dalton Risner over Jonah Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 32 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: I think it will cost 2nd and 4th for that trade. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, wppete said: I like it. I would do that. But Dalton Risner over Jonah Williams? Jonah Williams may be a high level guard at the NFL level, not built to play tackle. Risner has greater position flexibility. 5 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Agreed 5 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Agreed 250 points only on draft value chart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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