billvernsays Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) I feel like I should start practicing disliking the guy since he will 100% be a New England Patriot. In all seriousness, As much as I would like a legit number 1 WR for Josh Allen I cant help but think having a Renfrow type (Reliable Hands, Quick, Excellent route runner) might be the best type of WR for JA’s development. It could be why Our Front Office wanted Isiah McKenzie so bad. Im not suggesting that I’d rather Renfrow over an AJ Green as a rookie. But when you add in things like the likely acquisition cost, injury history, and age I think it’s probably the better option. Im curious to hear how others on this board feel about the state of our WR Corps and how they suggest improving it. Edited January 9, 2019 by billvernsays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, billvernsays said: I feel like I should start practicing disliking the guy since he will 100% be a New England Patriot. In in all seriousness, As much as I would like a legit number 1 WR for Josh Allen I cant help but think having a Renfrow type (Reliable Hands, Quick, Excellent route runner) might be the best type of WR for his development. It could be why Our Front Office wanted Isiah McKenzie so bad. There's at least 2 other Clemson receivers I'd pick over him. I noticed him during the coin toss, after that, not too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I would rather get Humphries from Tampa Bay. We have money to spend in free agency. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 AJ Green will be better than Hunter Renfrow when Green is 45 years old. There is VERY little reason to believe Renfrow will ever be in the same league as Wes Welker. I understand you're asking about slot receivers in general, but the best approach is to acquire good players whether they're 6'4 or 5'10. If I had to pick a "type" of receiver that would work well with Allen, it would be guys with STRONG hands and an above average catch radius. 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I mean I love the guys story and I guess it's not a terrible idea to burn a late round pick on him if he still ends up being there but there is a lot of moving parts for that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted January 9, 2019 Author Share Posted January 9, 2019 I agree but those Number 1WRs don’t grow on trees. I feel this is a weak WR class in that regard which is why I bring up the idea. There’s no Calvin Johnson in this draft and free agency is pretty bare too 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Just now, billvernsays said: I agree but those Number 1WRs don’t grow on trees. I feel this is a weak WR class in that regard which is why I bring up the idea. There’s no Calvin Johnson in this draft and free agency is pretty bare too Which is likely why we're Dumpster diving in the CFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I prefer a guy who will catch the difficult ball over the one dropping the more pedestrian catch. Big or small, I want guys who can separate and CATCH THE BALL. Bigger, faster and quicker are better, but they do NOT trump CATCHING THE BALL! Sorry, this season got me a little worked up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted January 9, 2019 Author Share Posted January 9, 2019 Reliable hands and someone who can get open quickly. Last night Renfrow ran a corkscrew pattern on a 3rd and 4 so effortlessly that I thought to myself how nice that would be to have on the Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Is the question “is a little white slot receiver more useful than an All-pro?” It feels like a stupid question when you write it out. AJ Green will be more valuable than a late round, rookie, slot receiver. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Augie said: I prefer a guy who will catch the difficult ball over the one dropping the more pedestrian catch. Big or small, I want guys who can separate and CATCH THE BALL. Bigger, faster and quicker are better, but they do NOT trump CATCHING THE BALL! Sorry, this season got me a little worked up. Yeah, doesn't matter how fast you are, how well you can read routes, and how much separation you can get if you can't catch the ball...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: Is the question “is a little white slot receiver more useful than an All-pro?” It feels like a stupid question when you write it out. AJ Green will be more valuable than a late round, rookie, slot receiver. Not to pile on the OP, but along the same lines, it's silly to assume Renfrow=Welker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said: Yeah, doesn't matter how fast you are, how well you can read routes, and how much separation you can get if you can't catch the ball...... But we only had like 12 all year, why are we so sensitive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Augie said: But we only had like 12 all year, why are we so sensitive? 12 players attempting to be passable NFL WRs? That little? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Just now, apuszczalowski said: 12 players attempting to be passable NFL WRs? That little? I know, it seemed like more, but we had about half that many QB’s. So....... What a great year!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted January 9, 2019 Author Share Posted January 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Is the question “is a little white slot receiver more useful than an All-pro?” It feels like a stupid question when you write it out. AJ Green will be more valuable than a late round, rookie, slot receiver. Not really, I’m a big picture guy. I used Renfrow because he played in the game last night. It doesn’t have to be him specifically and he certainly doesn’t need to be white. (I specifically mentioned McKenzie along the same lines). Obviously AJ Green is more valuable right now than a 4-6th round WR. But when you take everything into consideration I’m asking what’s the better play for the franchise. AJ Green is the move if you think this team can win a Super Bowl with him, do you think we’re there yet? Matt Stafford had Calvin Johnson, probably the best WR I’ve ever seen for the better part of his career. He certainly helped Matts numbers but I’m not sure that he made Stafford a better QB. I’m just asking what’s better for us right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 If we could get Renfrow in the 3rd or 4th round I would grab him in a heart beat. Are people aware that this kid holds the record for most receptions in the college football playoffs? Now this is mostly becasue the playoffs are only 5 years old and Clemson is a regular participant but it's still a startling stat if you think about all the talent that's been on the field the last few years. And Renfrow also caught the last second National Championship game winning TD pass against Bama a couple of years ago. He is clutch and as a walk on he has that hunger you want to see in a rookie. There is no reason the Bills can't go after a big time WR and still draft Renfrow in the middle rounds. There is no substitute for excellent hands and route running ability. I mean if this guy could be like Wes Welker we will have hit a home run. Do people remember how much Welker and later Danny Amadillow killed the Bills over the years? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, billvernsays said: I agree but those Number 1WRs don’t grow on trees. I feel this is a weak WR class in that regard which is why I bring up the idea. There’s no Calvin Johnson in this draft and free agency is pretty bare too How many Super Bowls did Calvin Johnson win? Now how many Super Bowls did Troy Brown win? How about Doug Baldwin? How about Deion Branch? How about Julian Edelman? I don’t understand why is everyome is so stuck on this “there are no Calvin Johnson” type WRs in this draft statement. I mean, when has that type of WR been the key to the SB? Without looking, I am actually struggling to think of one of those type of WRs that have won one recently. Julio, OBJ, Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, TO, Calvin, Hopkins, Mike Evans, AJ, Adams, Moss...no SBs and few played in one even. Most SB teams don’t have lixury of those types of WRs. We don’t need a “Calvin” type prospect to be a potent offense. Rams and Chiefs dont have one and were the most explosive offenses in the NFL. I mean Hill is like 4 feet tall and dominating. This draft is deep at WR, loads of talent. People keep brushing it off because of this “No Calvin” type guy. How much did Cooper Kupp help Goff? Quite a bit. We can find a lot of talent at WR in this draft. Edited January 9, 2019 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 They need talented WRs who can catch, thats whats going to help Allen develop, because if they can catch the ball, his stats get better and the team wins. A guy like Green is a high end proven talent, might not come cheap but atleast you know that he can play at a high level. This team doesn't need more lottery ticket "high ceiling" potential guys. That will hurt his development unless they hit on the pick and find some hidden talent which has less odds of happening. Giving Allen more of the same WRs as this last year may have him retiring at half time..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted January 9, 2019 Author Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: How many Super Bowls did Calvin Johnson win? Now how many Super Bowls did Troy Brown win? How about Doug Baldwin? How about Deion Branch? How about Julian Edelman? Why is everyome so stuck on this “there are no Calvin Johnson” type WRs in this draft? Since when has that type of WR been the key to the SB? Without looking, I am actually struggling to think of one of those type of WRs that have won one recently. Julio, OBJ, Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, TO, Calvin, Hopkins, Mike Evans, AJ, Adams, Moss...no SBs and few played in one even. Most SB teams don’t have anything close to those types of WRs. We don’t need a “Calvin” type prospect to be a potent offense. Rams and Chiefs dont have one and we’re the most explosive offenses in the NFL. I mean Hill is like 4 feet tall and dominating. This draft is deep at WR, loads of talent. People keep brushing it off because of this “No Calvin” type guy. How much dif Cooper Kupp help Goff? Quite a bit. We can find a lot of talent at WR in this draft. This is exactly the point of my thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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