cage Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Um sure you do, are you saying the Bills didn’t covet Tre? Well, anyone a team picks in the first round is someone they coveted. Obviously they had Tre on their radar, but a 17 slot trade-down doesn't seem like a strategy get him in particular. A better example might be the trade-down when they selected EJ. They clearly were going to take a QB, there were lots of reports that they liked EJ best, but felt that he would still be there if they moved down a few slots and acquired some more draft capital Edited January 6, 2019 by cage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 4 hours ago, Scorp83 said: I did mention McBeane mishandled the QB position. But it was McDermott & his coaching staff that decided to cut McCarron. McDermott love for Peterman probably kept Beane from making the move though... I mean, that's just speculation, but we as fans have to look at the facts & fill in the gaps on our own. Beane probably had Anderson on speed dial, but who's to say McDermott didn't block it or & Beane was ok with backing his buddy's decision??? It's not like McDermott is perfect at making these kind of decisions. It's a good argument to have...& I think we all can agree we're glad they finally figured it out. But McDermott has power in that building, trust and believe...that was his call & Beane went along for the ride even if he was against the trip in the 1st place, Beane still gassed the car up & jumped in the passenger seat with an attitude ? I sort of hate the "McBeane" use of the coach and GM. These are two seperate people althoug unlike our past staffs have the same thought process. I'm probably confirming what you said but here is my take. AJ, at the end of preseason, proved he could not take the reigns as the starter. They got a pick for him. Nathan fooled not all but alot of us in the preseason. In fact there were alot of posts about him as #1 and Josh as #2 compared to Jim and Frank. Beane said he handled it wrong and tried to get Anderson in earlier. Injury forced us to bring in Matt and finally after he proved he could be #2 they cut ties with Nate. So here we are now compared to the off season last year. We had Nate in March and brought in AJ and drafted Josh in April. We had no clue what we had but now we have what we hope is our starter, backup and veteran in the room. That room is set. It is a beautiful thing. In theory it is set anyway and how long has it been that we could say that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, cage said: Well, anyone a team picks in the first round is someone they coveted. I'm sure they had Tre on their radar, but a 17 slot trade-down doesn't seem like a strategy get him in particular. A better example might be the trade-down when they selected EJ. They clearly were going to take a QB, there were lots of reports that they liked EJ best, but felt that he would still be there if they moved down a few slots and acquired some more draft capital Lets put it this way, he coveted building their defense, over selecting a QB and then building the team around the QB. I don’t think you can argue that McDermott wanted a piece for his defense with the first pick. Edited January 6, 2019 by Wayne Cubed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Pros: He is clearly not an outright bust. 15-17 over two years with a playoff loss makes him wall of fame worthy by the standards of the Bills 21st century. Cons: Slow to recognize errors. Sticking with Peterman is as bad of a piece of coaching as I have ever witnessed. We are praising him for firing Castilo and Crossman now which is a year late. His management of the wide receivers is eerily similar to his blind spot on Peterman. No track record of solid coaching hires. Firing coaches you hired is only acknowledging past failure. It is not an indication things are going "in the right direction" A lack of adaptabiity. He seems like the type of coach who can not figure out how to optimize the talent he has, but is always searching for guys who "get his process" Lack of personal accountability. He holds others accountable. Never acknowledges his own lack of judgment. I don't think it is because he is not willing to. I don't think he recognizes his own errors. At this point, it seems to me that McDermott is a decent football coach who "learning on the job" as far as being a decent head coach goes. The practical question is should McDermott be back next season. The answer to that is yes. 2020 and beyond is still undecided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Pros: He is clearly not an outright bust. 15-17 over two years with a playoff loss makes him wall of fame worthy by the standards of the Bills 21st century. Cons: Slow to recognize errors. Sticking with Peterman is as bad of a piece of coaching as I have ever witnessed. We are praising him for firing Castilo and Crossman now which is a year late. His management of the wide receivers is eerily similar to his blind spot on Peterman. No track record of solid coaching hires. Firing coaches you hired is only acknowledging past failure. It is not an indication things are going "in the right direction" A lack of adaptabiity. He seems like the type of coach who can not figure out how to optimize the talent he has, but is always searching for guys who "get his process" Lack of personal accountability. He holds others accountable. Never acknowledges his own lack of judgment. I don't think it is because he is not willing to. I don't think he recognizes his own errors. At this point, it seems to me that McDermott is a decent football coach who "learning on the job" as far as being a decent head coach goes. The practical question is should McDermott be back next season. The answer to that is yes. 2020 and beyond is still undecided. You must have some pretty good sources inside the Bills Front Office; how do you know how McDermott assesses himself? More hot air! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, vorpma said: You must have some pretty good sources inside the Bills Front Office; how do you know how McDermott assesses himself? More hot air! He gives press conferences regularly, where he criticizes others mistakes. Never once saying he made a mistake. Pay attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Pros: He is clearly not an outright bust. 15-17 over two years with a playoff loss makes him wall of fame worthy by the standards of the Bills 21st century. Cons: Slow to recognize errors. Sticking with Peterman is as bad of a piece of coaching as I have ever witnessed. We are praising him for firing Castilo and Crossman now which is a year late. His management of the wide receivers is eerily similar to his blind spot on Peterman. No track record of solid coaching hires. Firing coaches you hired is only acknowledging past failure. It is not an indication things are going "in the right direction" A lack of adaptabiity. He seems like the type of coach who can not figure out how to optimize the talent he has, but is always searching for guys who "get his process" Lack of personal accountability. He holds others accountable. Never acknowledges his own lack of judgment. I don't think it is because he is not willing to. I don't think he recognizes his own errors. At this point, it seems to me that McDermott is a decent football coach who "learning on the job" as far as being a decent head coach goes. The practical question is should McDermott be back next season. The answer to that is yes. 2020 and beyond is still undecided. Your Cons debunked 1) he doesnt make knee jerked decisions 2)He took the best he had available to him but recognises they are not getting out of his players at that position that they need to. 3)This is so far from the truth. We made the playoffs last year with a rag tag group that shouldnt have won 3. 4)So the we all need to do better including myself statements at every one of his pressers dont matter. 5)You obviously dont care for him. (Just agreeing with a point you didnt make) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, fansince88 said: Your Cons debunked 1) he doesnt make knee jerked decisions 2)He took the best he had available to him but recognises they are not getting out of his players at that position that they need to. 3)This is so far from the truth. We made the playoffs last year with a rag tag group that shouldnt have won 3. 4)So the we all need to do better including myself statements at every one of his pressers dont matter. 5)You obviously dont care for him. (Just agreeing with a point you didnt make) You are wrong on every point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, PlayoffsPlease said: You are wrong on every point. So your saying you do like him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: He gives press conferences regularly, where he criticizes others mistakes. Never once saying he made a mistake. Pay attention. He is HC in the NFL and he has been a successful coach in the NFL; you don't get there without conducting serious self appraisals. And you don't stand in front of the press and offer self critiques; we leave that up to the true professionals on TBD!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 16 hours ago, Degenerate Mike in HHDS said: I think he's made lemonade out of lemons with this team. As @Cripple Creek said the tear down is complete. But I'd say the rebuild is still 2 years away. I'm a yes vote 100% Or more depending on the FA pool and draft options. If they can't find Olinemen in the draft then it's going to be a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, vorpma said: He is HC in the NFL and he has been a successful coach in the NFL; you don't get there without conducting serious self appraisals. And you don't stand in front of the press and offer self critiques; we leave that up to the true professionals on TBD!! I watch the guy regularly, my opinion is that he lacks self-awareness, not that he is shy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, fansince88 said: Your Cons debunked 1) he doesnt make knee jerked decisions 2)He took the best he had available to him but recognises they are not getting out of his players at that position that they need to. 3)This is so far from the truth. We made the playoffs last year with a rag tag group that shouldnt have won 3. 4)So the we all need to do better including myself statements at every one of his pressers dont matter. 5)You obviously dont care for him. (Just agreeing with a point you didnt make) Debunk to me would be offering examples or some proof. You basically just said nuh-uh for all of them. 2 and 3 from the op are something I really agree with. You honestly think those coaches were his only options? He didn't even search for an OC before he hired his Oline coach. He rushed to hire his friends and it hasn't panned out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: I watch the guy regularly, my opinion is that he lacks self-awareness, not that he is shy. Come on, not saying he is shy and he does not lack self awarenes, he is not going to play media games and cater to the fire everybody crowd like you want him to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Trogdor said: Debunk to me would be offering examples or some proof. You basically just said nuh-uh for all of them. 2 and 3 from the op are something I really agree with. You honestly think those coaches were his only options? He didn't even search for an OC before he hired his Oline coach. He rushed to hire his friends and it hasn't panned out. Had he gave evidence I would have given evidence. He gave opinion so I gave opinion. You agree with him so all you can do is disagree with my opinion. Im ok with the fact that we disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, fansince88 said: Had he gave evidence I would have given evidence. He gave opinion so I gave opinion. You agree with him so all you can do is disagree with my opinion. Im ok with the fact that we disagree. He specifically pointed to personnel decisions and you didn't. Those are examples to back up his point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 His handling of the QB roster was laughably amateurish. But, in the end, he dumb-lucked out of that self created mess with his Allen pick. Overall, reasons to be optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Solid coach with discipline and a plan. And for once the GM and coach are in lockstep. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, BillyWhiteShows said: Its not pointless....it McDermott’s Approval rating after year two. Happens all the time on sports or politics Funny that neither of you mention his biggest accomplishment. How is that 2 decade long Buffalo Bills playoff drought that tarnished the brand doing? I've mentioned the playoffs drought, I said because he foolishly bench Tyrod for Peterman...it caused us to cross our fingers for the Dalton to Boyd miracle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 16 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: I do not want McD fired. Or Beane, for that matter. BUT I just don't see how this season was anything other than woefully mismanaged. They had to do a tear down to build up. I didnt like it either but I accepted the necessary evil. The next 3 months of FA and the draft will tell us if this plan will works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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