Doc Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: If you live in Florida, took the time to vote in the mid-terms, and were too unbelievably f'in stupid to find the Senate race on your ballot, then the only response to that is maybe you're too f'in unbelievably stupid to even make yourself a bowl of cereal for breakfast be allowed to vote. But nice excuse. Keep running with it. It's much better than "I lost because all the white women did what their white husbands and fathers told them to do." FIFY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 If you told Democrats in January 2017 in a 52-48 minority that you'd only lose one seat in 2018 when you had 26 Senators (to Republicans 9) up for reelection including 10 that are in states Trump won....I think they'd take it knowing they won the House. Thanks goes out to Roy Moore and Jeff Flake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: If you told Democrats in January 2017 in a 52-48 minority that you'd only lose one seat in 2018 when you had 26 Senators (to Republicans 9) up for reelection including 10 that are in states Trump won....I think they'd take it knowing they won the House. Thanks goes out to Roy Moore and Jeff Flake. They would. The math most are forgetting when they try to turn the election into a mandate is the GOP lost 44 seats before the election even started - a record number. Most of those folk who left (not all, most) were some of the most entrenched swamp rats in the party. If you told (non partisan libertarians or independents) they'd be able to gut the worst neoconservative/compromised GOPers from the House and Senate, while retaining a 53-47 majority in the Senate as a bulwark against the progressive horde, I think they'd take it too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: They would. The math most are forgetting when they try to turn the election into a mandate is the GOP lost 44 seats before the election even started - a record number. Most of those folk who left (not all, most) were some of the most entrenched swamp rats in the party. If you told (non partisan libertarians or independents) they'd be able to gut the worst neoconservative/compromised GOPers from the House and Senate, while retaining a 53-47 majority in the Senate as a bulwark against the progressive horde, I think they'd take it too. What if you told them both in January 2017 that Trump would still be president? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: If you told (non partisan libertarians or independents) they'd be able to gut the worst neoconservative/compromised GOPers from the House and Senate, while retaining a 53-47 majority in the Senate as a bulwark against the progressive horde, I think they'd take it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 18 hours ago, Chef Jim said: You miserable anti-dentite! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Keep ***** that chicken... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Keep ***** that chicken... Did a white man not steal an election from an Asian woman in CA? Or was that different? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 4 hours ago, LABillzFan said: If you live in Florida, took the time to vote in the mid-terms, and were too unbelievably f'in stupid to find the Senate race on your ballot, then the only response to that is maybe you're too f'in unbelievably stupid to even make yourself a bowl of cereal for breakfast. But nice excuse. Keep running with it. It's much better than "I lost because all the white women did what their white husbands and fathers told them to do." My thoughts exactly as I think you should be able to show a minimum cognitive ability to be able to vote. Not having idiot proof ballots is one way to accomplish that. 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: They would. The math most are forgetting when they try to turn the election into a mandate is the GOP lost 44 seats before the election even started - a record number. Most of those folk who left (not all, most) were some of the most entrenched swamp rats in the party. If you told (non partisan libertarians or independents) they'd be able to gut the worst neoconservative/compromised GOPers from the House and Senate, while retaining a 53-47 majority in the Senate as a bulwark against the progressive horde, I think they'd take it too. True, but enough Republican incumbents alone were defeated (24 at the moment) to lose the House by themselves regardless of retirees so calling the election a fluke and not doing an autopsy would be a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: Did a white man not steal an election from an Asian woman in CA? Or was that different? And a white woman stole it from a black man in Michigan. According to the Dems, it only works one-way though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Just now, Doc Brown said: True, but enough Republican incumbents alone were defeated (24 at the moment) to lose the House by themselves regardless of retirees so calling the election a fluke and not doing an autopsy would be a mistake. I'm always for analysis, no matter the situation. It would be folly for either party not to do some soul searching after every loss or win. But 44-24 = +20. The GOP holds control of the House, quite easily, without those retirements (every race is different if they don't have to defend new comers as hard/had more time to find better candidates in some of the openings). What I'm suggesting is what I've suggested for awhile now: the GOP was broken and fractured in 2016 thanks to Trump's victory. The uniparty members were exposed throughout that cycle and the first year of the administration, then shown the door (pundits and congressmen alike). They cleaned the party out before the midterms (to a large extent) and have been in that rebuilding phase since November of '16. The DNC has yet to do so officially, instead the centrists are very publicly fighting the progressive fringe of the party, and the centrists are losing in droves. But because "orange man bad", the centrists in the democratic party are forced to stay quiet less they be ousted for being too soft on Trump. That combination may work for the next 6 years. But what happens in 2024 (assuming a Trump victory in 2020) when, the entire centrist DNC core is gone and replaced by socialist progressives? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I'm always for analysis, no matter the situation. It would be folly for either party not to do some soul searching after every loss or win. But 44-24 = +20. The GOP holds control of the House, quite easily, without those retirements (every race is different if they don't have to defend new comers as hard/had more time to find better candidates in some of the openings). What I'm suggesting is what I've suggested for awhile now: the GOP was broken and fractured in 2016 thanks to Trump's victory. The uniparty members were exposed throughout that cycle and the first year of the administration, then shown the door (pundits and congressmen alike). They cleaned the party out before the midterms (to a large extent) and have been in that rebuilding phase since November of '16. The DNC has yet to do so officially, instead the centrists are very publicly fighting the progressive fringe of the party, and the centrists are losing in droves. But because "orange man bad", the centrists in the democratic party are forced to stay quiet less they be ousted for being too soft on Trump. That combination may work for the next 6 years. But what happens in 2024 (assuming a Trump victory in 2020) when, the entire centrist DNC core is gone and replaced by socialist progressives? Twenty-four seats were flipped with a Democrat beating a Republican incumbent and there's a couple more that will lose. Zero Democrat incumbents in the House lost. That's enough to give Dems control of the House even without retirements. Edited November 17, 2018 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: Twenty-four seats were flipped with a Democrat beating a Republican incumbent and there's a couple more that will lose. Zero Democrat incumbents in the House lost. That's enough to give Dems control of the House even without retirements. 44 vacancies require more funding, ground work, and campaigning in addition to defending seats. There's only so much time and money to go around. Overwhelmingly, the majority of those 44 were safe red seats occupied by congressmen with their campaign networks firmly established and finely tuned. Look at how much money was dumped into Barr's campaign - had they not been also trying to defend 44 more new candidates in other districts you would have seen much more money/energy devoted to a lot of those races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Keep ***** that chicken... I wonder what his opinion is of the race for UT-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, /dev/null said: I wonder what his opinion is of the race for UT-4 He's a Clinton/Kerry lackey, so I doubt he thinks much of anything without first asking their permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: I'm always for analysis, no matter the situation. It would be folly for either party not to do some soul searching after every loss or win. But 44-24 = +20. The GOP holds control of the House, quite easily, without those retirements (every race is different if they don't have to defend new comers as hard/had more time to find better candidates in some of the openings). What I'm suggesting is what I've suggested for awhile now: the GOP was broken and fractured in 2016 thanks to Trump's victory. The uniparty members were exposed throughout that cycle and the first year of the administration, then shown the door (pundits and congressmen alike). They cleaned the party out before the midterms (to a large extent) and have been in that rebuilding phase since November of '16. The DNC has yet to do so officially, instead the centrists are very publicly fighting the progressive fringe of the party, and the centrists are losing in droves. But because "orange man bad", the centrists in the democratic party are forced to stay quiet less they be ousted for being too soft on Trump. That combination may work for the next 6 years. But what happens in 2024 (assuming a Trump victory in 2020) when, the entire centrist DNC core is gone and replaced by socialist progressives? That's actually a scary thought because most voters don't really follow that closely or understand the issues. I could easily see the hard left socialists taking power simply by turning out their base and carrying the know-nothings who used to stay home before the "everyone must vote" crap picked up steam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Say it with me now, she's an ***** of the highest order 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 53 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Say it with me now, she's an ***** of the highest order Now can she provide any evidence other than "I didn't win?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 38 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Now can she provide any evidence other than "I didn't win?" Her team was in charge of the interference. {shrug} Absentee ballots need to go away for all but military and legally blind (who may need help with the ballot and want their vote private). You work overseas? Get your butt home to vote. Elderly? Contact your local social services department to get you a van ride for the day. Disabled? Same. The shenanigans seem to happen with early voting and absentee voting, although I think the days of hacking the voting booths are not far off. Saying all that... I do not think the shenanigans in Georgia were against her. The Democrats just didn't do enough to give her the governorship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 There is no "progressive" left wing of the DNC. There are only two groups pretending to be progressives: socialists, and fascists. Leaving the majority of the DNC and their voters - who remain centrists - without a party of their own. Yet, that majority can't speak out. If they did, they'd be a victim of "group shaming" from both those fringe elements. There's still time for the silent majority to speak out against this trend... but will they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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