YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: David Chao has become a LAMP I do think he’s engaging in a bit of fear mongering right now ... likes the attention. Technically he’s correct that it’s not impossible he could need surgery, but he has very little info and the herd is following his every word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I do think he’s engaging in a bit of fear mongering right now ... likes the attention. Technically he’s correct that it’s not impossible he could need surgery, but he has very little info and the herd is following his every word. He's usually very accurate though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 53 minutes ago, HansLanda said: Terrible, but you can't mess with UCL. Next few weeks may determine if Bills need to consider drafting another QB in the early rounds of 2019 draft. The Bills should draft a QB with every 1st round pick for the next 10 years if that's what it takes to find a reliable starter. Without a franchise QB you're going nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BrooklynBills said: He's usually very accurate though He is and that’s why I’m posting his stuff here. But if you follow this whole thread, including the reports from the team, you will know what I mean. His accuracy coukd also point to it being a 2 week injury. He doesn’t know and is throwing out 2 weeks to 2 years, essentially. All he knows is based on one video - it’s a UCL injury of some sort. That’s it. Edited October 16, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Yes we do. The team doctors didn't find a tear in the MRI but they are sending it to another doctor to be safe. That's the crux of the this whole thing. If it's just a sprain he'll be out a month. The type of pain response I saw from Allen in that clip makes me wonder how it could be just a sprain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobH063 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, McBean said: If he needs surgery then what? I haven’t been this depressed as a Bills fan in a very long time. Everytime I think this team has hit rock bottom, they make a new low. The trick here is when you look down the hole and see Rock Bottom, take a peak at the Bills organization. If anyone still has a shovel in their hand, you may want to re-evaluate whether its really Rock Bottom or just a False Bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 send his MRI to TB12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Mike in Syracuse said: The type of pain response I saw from Allen in that clip makes me wonder how it could be just a sprain. Actually, the pain response simply points to a sprain instead of a contusion. Theye are different levels of sprain. A grade 2 sprain is indeed a partial tear. It appears the Bills believe it is a grade 1 (I’m reading into the “not serious” report ...indicating they don’t see a tear on the MRI). They are getting an opinion from Andrews to not take any chances. If Andrews sees any kind of possible tear, even partial, he will visit for an in person consultation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Derek Carr is not available for trade. Wtf. It's a bit whacked-out as a list. Case Keenum is signed through 2019, he's not gonna be available. Foles contract is ..... complicated, but I think he's made it pretty clear he'd rather retire than play for an OC/HC he doesn't have faith in 6 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: No, they won’t. Even if Allen missed the entire year this year, they would never select another QB. If Allen missed the entire year this year, you may be right but they should consider it. If he has Tommy Johns surgery and is out for 2019, they 100% should. Thanks to the rookie CBA, it's no longer prohibitive to do so with a young 1st rounder as it was for the Rams with Bradford. 13 minutes ago, BrooklynBills said: Carr will be traded this offseason And the Oakland starting QB will be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 26 minutes ago, McBean said: If he needs surgery then what? I haven’t been this depressed as a Bills fan in a very long time. Everytime I think this team has hit rock bottom, they make a new low. Waking up to this has me depressed. Its the ej manuel situation all over again. If he is hurt bad, just clean house. Mcdermott bungled this offense from the very beginning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 I can't believe I'm in the position of hoping that Derek Anderson starts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, Mike in Syracuse said: The type of pain response I saw from Allen in that clip makes me wonder how it could be just a sprain. Sprains can be very serious injuries. People say "just a sprain" thinking the kind of rolled ankle we all put an elastic sleeve over and played through next week in high school, but a sprain can be more severe and harder to heal than a broken bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: David Chao has become a LAMP Isn't LAMP'ing part of his job? How different are his reports from Schefter's, Rap's, Mort's, etc? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Rocky Landing said: I can't believe I'm in the position of hoping that Derek Anderson starts. Hey now, he DID beat us once by completing 2 passes in an NFL game and forcing our D to hold the Browns to 6 points......and still lose. Championship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I don't buy this. It's a 15 month recovery time for pitchers, but it's 9-10 months for position players. Didi Gregorius, who we just learned is getting Tommy John surgery, is expected back in 9-10 months, putting him on the field in roughly August. Gregorius throws it harder (he regularly hits low 90s on his throws to first) and more often than Allen. 17 minutes ago, Mike in Syracuse said: The type of pain response I saw from Allen in that clip makes me wonder how it could be just a sprain. Exactly. He looked absolutely dejected. 11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Bad news I guess? Since Yolo asked also I'll dish. I think Allen was injured against Green Bay during one of his multitude of sacks and hits. I think this is a re-hit to an existing injury, which are often worse. Why I think that: While I believe they genuinely wanted to focus on controlling the LOS and getting the run game going, I think the very low numbers of passes vs Tenn and Hou was because they were trying to play Allen through an injury that left him functional, and had him on a "pitch count". I think a number of other things point towards an Allen injury after GB: -The sudden decision to pursue and sign Anderson (why now, and not before? Allen has needed a vet mentor next to him since before Week 1) -Benjamin's comment about Josh Allen going in earlier than the rest of the team for "his routine" (what takes more time? pain injections maybe?) It's just my theory and might be totally whack though I think this could be right. He was actually pretty darn accurate vs. Minnesota and late vs. SD, but he lost his accuracy in the GB game. The first thing that goes with UCL injuries is accuracy, and he was not accurate vs GB or against TN on deeper throws (and yes, I know he had accuracy issues already). Bear in mind also that he was a pitcher in HS and was throwing low 90s then. Plus he was lighting up the radar gun all offseason to boost his draft stock. Wear and tear is how these injuries happen. Edited October 16, 2018 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: I don't buy this. It's a 15 month recovery time for pitchers, but it's 9-10 months for position players. Didi Gregorius, who we just learned is getting Tommy John surgery, is expected back in 9-10 months, putting him on the field in roughly August. Gregorius throws it harder (he regularly hits low 90s on his throws to first) and more often than Allen. Wouldn't Allen be in between a pitcher & position player? I don't think Didi throws the ball 30 times in a game and more than 150 times during a week 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's a bit whacked-out as a list. Case Keenum is signed through 2019, he's not gonna be available. Foles contract is ..... complicated, but I think he's made it pretty clear he'd rather retire than play for an OC/HC he doesn't have faith in If Allen missed the entire year this year, you may be right but they should consider it. If he has Tommy Johns surgery and is out for 2019, they 100% should. Thanks to the rookie CBA, it's no longer prohibitive to do so with a young 1st rounder as it was for the Rams with Bradford. And the Oakland starting QB will be? There is a should and a would. Smart teams would draft back to back QBs if they aren’t convinced. They rarely do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, GG said: Isn't LAMP'ing part of his job? How different are his reports from Schefter's, Rap's, Mort's, etc? Not exactly. He’s an actual surgeon and former NFL team doctor, and he has very good knowledge of these types of things. He posts what he knows vs what he hears (ie Schefter). But the headlines don’t always match what he’s saying, he has very little info right now, and he’s LAMPing a bit at moment. What he knows based on the video, and he’s pretty darn accurate when he has a video, is that it is a sprain of some level of severity to the UCL. That is all he knows and he’s throwing out every possible scenario. Edited October 16, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, GG said: Wouldn't Allen be in between a pitcher & position player? I don't think Didi throws the ball 30 times in a game and more than 150 times during a week He throws 3-4 times between innings every inning! He also averages 375 assists per year not including preseason etc. NFL QBs average around 450 throws per full season. Not much difference, and they don't throw it as hard as an MLB shortstop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Not exactly. He’s an actual surgeon and former NFL team doctor, and he has very good knowledge of these types of things. He posts what he knows vs what he hears (ie Schefter). But the headlines don’t always match what he’s saying, he has very little info right now, and he’s LAMPing a bit at moment. And he's also a regular contributor on Sirius/XM NFL channel. This is what he does when there's an injury to a significant player. LAMPing is part of his job as a medical analyst to the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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