Top 5 qbs all-time

[Alphadawg7]

10 hours ago, CDogg20 said:

Who are your top 5 interested to hear. 

 

Mine would have to be...

 

1. Manning

2. Brady

3. Montana

4. Marino 

5. Rogers

 

Favre 

Kelly 

Sammy Baugh 

Young

Brees

Just miss the list off the top of my head 

 

Mannng was not a good post season QB compared to others.  No way he’s number 1.  When you are the #1 seed and go one and done 9 times, you don’t belong at the top of this list.

 

without question top 2 are Montana and Brady, or Brady and Montana.

 

1.  Brady - Done more with less than any QB in NFL history.  Has mostly won his SBs with mediocre collection of weapons.

2.  Montana

3.  Young - people forget just how good this man was.

4.  Marino

5.  Rogers

 

6.  Manning

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

 

 

Young in front of Manning?...........absurd.

 

I have Young ahead of Manning too.  People forget how insanely good Young was because people think of Montana in SF.  

 

Manning was not a good post season QB in comparison to his regular season.  9 times he was the #1 seed and would go one and done in the playoffs.  I would even take Kurt Warner in the postseason anytime over Manning.  

Edited September 15, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[sven233]

14 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Mannng was not a good post season QB compared to others.  No way he’s number 1.  When you are the #1 seed and go one and done 9 times, you don’t belong at the top of this list.

 

without question top 2 are Montana and Brady, or Brady and Montana.

 

1.  Brady - Done more with less than any QB in NFL history.  Has mostly won his SBs with mediocre collection of weapons.

2.  Montana

3.  Young - people forget just how good this man was.

4.  Marino

5.  Rogers

 

6.  Manning

 

Brady, while great, should never be considered #1 because of all the cheating.  He also recently said that Rodgers would be better than anyone else with better coaching.

Edited September 15, 2018 by sven233

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

Brady, while great, should never be considered #1 because of all the cheating.  He also recently said that Rogers would be better than anyone else with better coaching.

 

The “cheating” impact is so grossly over exaggerated around here.  He’s the GOAT until someone dethrones him.

Edited September 15, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[sven233]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

The “cheating” impact is so grossly over exaggerated around here.  He’s the GOAT until someone dethrones him.

 

Uh.....no.  They barely won any of their early titles.  Any type of cheating could have swayed those games.  Also, they were doing this cheating all along before they got caught.  Who knows how long they were cheating before they got caught and who knows what else they are doing that they haven't been called on yet.  His whole career is tainted. Period.

 

And the quotes around "cheating" are not necessary.  They are proven cheaters (multiple times), so no need to couch it.  They cheated and didn't pay a big enough price for it.

Edited September 15, 2018 by sven233

[RobbRiddick]

Without reading any replies yet and discounting those I didn't see play like Otto Graham and Unitas, I'd have to say (off the top of my head):

 

Montana

Brady

Elway

Manning

Favre

 

Favre is a weird one for me as I'm guessing not many will have him in their list. But for me Favre was the greatest QB to watch. I just loved him. I also think he was one of the most naturally gifted QBs I've ever seen, some of the throws he made were like no one else. He played like a kid who was just enjoying it out there. Got annoying the last few years when he kept retiring and unretiring but he's one of those guys that when he's been gone a few years you really start to see the hole he's left.

 

Montana I've always thought is the greatest. I still think he's better than Brady. Different eras so hard to judge, and you can say both guys had his own advantages, but the way I come to my decision is easy:

 

Someone has a gun against my head and says, "it's the final drive of the Super Bowl, you have to get a touchdown to win otherwise I'm going to blow your brains out. You can choose one QB from history to go out and take the snaps. Who do you choose?"

 

I can honestly say I would 100% pick Joe Cool. Brady would be second but Montana is my undisputed number one. 

[Iron Maiden]

5 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

Uh.....no.  They barely won any of their early titles.  Any type of cheating could have swayed those games.  Also, they were doing this cheating all along before they got caught.  Who knows how long they were cheating before they got caught and who knows what else they are doing that they haven't been called on yet.  His whole career is tainted. Period.

 

And the quotes around "cheating" are not necessary.  They are proven cheaters (multiple times), so no need to couch it.  They cheated and didn't pay a big enough price for it.

Most players ( former and current ) and coaches say that Brady is the GOAT....I put more weight in their opinion than any other....They've played the game....some faced him....they know how tough he is to beat....He keeps being named #1 in that poll by the players themselves ( Top 100 ) He just won the MVP at 40 years old....has 5 rings including the greatest comeback even seen in a Superbowl....has done it all with very few offensive weapons ( Moss for 2 years and now Gronk )....Rodgers also says that Brady is the best...no player would claim they're the best..they would get crucified in social media..He's the GOAT...whether we like it or not....

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000787722/article/even-aaron-rodgers-admits-tom-brady-is-the-goat

[sven233]

5 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said:

Most players ( former and current ) and coaches say that Brady is the GOAT....I put more weight in their opinion than any other....They've played the game....some faced him....they know how tough he is to beat....He keeps being named #1 in that poll by the players themselves ( Top 100 ) He just won the MVP at 40 years old....has 5 rings including the greatest comeback even seen in a Superbowl....has done it all with very few offensive weapons ( Moss for 2 years and now Gronk )....Rodgers also says that Brady is the best...no player would claim they're the best..they would get crucified in social media..He's the GOAT...whether we like it or not....

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000787722/article/even-aaron-rodgers-admits-tom-brady-is-the-goat

 

He has 1 title since the cheating scandals and it took an implosion from the Falcons to get it.  Brady will always be associated with deflated balls and cheating.  I don't deny that he is talented and an all time great, but he will NEVER be the greatest because of all the cheating and controversies surrounding him.  Had he, his coach, his team, and entire organization not been busted multiple times for cheating and he did this all legitimately, yes, he may very well be the best.  But he didn't do it with all of the crap that follows him so we'll never know.

Edited September 15, 2018 by sven233

[Iron Maiden]

Just now, sven233 said:

 

He has 1 title since the cheating scandals and it to an implosion from the Falcons to get it.  Brady will always be associated with deflated balls and cheating.

I get it ...you hate him...we're Bills fans...it's normal... BTW, deflategate was just silly....if you really believe that it affected the game, I'm not sure what to tell you....and he won vs Seattle with " regular " balls.....and he crushed Indy 45-7...he would have beat them with a freaking beach bal....if NFL players are mostly saying he's the GOAT, that tells me that the cheating stuff is way overblown.....again..the players themselves are claiming he's the best ever...that's tells me all I need to know...that.... and all the rings and records he has...

[sven233]

1 minute ago, Iron Maiden said:

I get it ...you hate him...we're Bills fans...it's normal... BTW, deflategate was just silly....if you really believe that it affected the game, I'm not sure what to tell you....and he won vs Seattle with " regular " balls.....and he crushed Indy 45-7...he would have beat them with a freaking beach bal....if NFL players are mostly saying he's the GOAT, that tells me that the cheating stuff is way overblown.....again..the players themselves are claiming he's the best ever...that's tells me all I need to know...that.... and all the rings and records he has...

 

Hey, you can be up in his junk all you want........  Put him at #1.  Just make sure to put an * next to his name.  That's all.

[Iron Maiden]

3 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

Hey, you can be up in his junk all you want........  Put him at #1.  Just make sure to put an * next to his name.  That's all.

I respect your right to be wrong buddy.....And again...players are putting him at # 1...not just me...

Edited September 15, 2018 by Iron Maiden

[sven233]

3 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said:

I respect your right to be wrong buddy.....And again...players are putting him at # 1...not just me...

 

Players aren't the only ones that matter.  This whole topic was about our opinions about the top 5.  He makes mine.  But can never be #1 with all the cheating and scandals.  I, and most people, don't respect cheating.

Edited September 15, 2018 by sven233

[Helpmenow]

Jim zorn, George Blanda ,Frank Ryan, John huarte  and bill Munson 

Edited September 15, 2018 by Helpmenow

[VW82]

The GOAT QB discussion is more interesting to me. It would seem the consensus is Brady is now the guy. Two questions:

1. How can Brady be the GOAT if he was never really considered to be the best QB at any point in his career? Manning was the guy early, then Rodgers for the last several years.
2. How do you separate Brady's greatness from that of the Pats organization, and specifically Belichick? 

Further to the second point, I'll make a cross sport comparison. By any statistical measure, Martin Brodeur is the greatest goalie of the modern era. But how can we call him the GOAT when Hasek was the much better player during their respective primes? Brodeur greatly benefited from an institutional advantage with the Devils whereas Hasek was forced to carry the Sabres every year just to make the playoffs. I'd argue it's the same with Brady and Manning. 

 

Both Brady and Brodeur clearly distinguished themselves individually during the latter stages of their careers but I'd argue their GOAT candidacies are much more reliant on longevity and strength of their teams/organizations over the years than people are willing to admit.

Edited September 16, 2018 by VW82

[KD in CA]

9 hours ago, boater said:

I'd rate Kelly, Montana and Marino highly for the fact their accomplishments occurred when there were fewer protections of the QB. They were man handled pretty good.

 

Yup;  people completely discount that aspect of the game.  The NFL completely altered the rules to favor modern QBs and no one has benefited more than Brady.  Put him on the Pats in the 80s/90s against Bruce Smith and the Jets Sack Exchange or playing in the NFC East in those days and he wouldn't be nearly so magical.

 

But you can only compare against your contemporaries so in that regard Brady is the best of this era.

[greeneblitz]

1. Manning

2. Brady

3. Montana

4. Marino

5. Favre

6. Elway

7. Young

8. Brees

9. Rodgers

10. Kelly

[SoCal Deek]

Some of the negative comments about Brady truly are stunning! Geez people, I realize he destroys the Bills twice a year...but come on! 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, VW82 said:

The GOAT QB discussion is more interesting to me. It would seem the consensus is Brady is now the guy. Two questions:

1. How can Brady be the GOAT if he was never really considered to be the best QB at any point in his career? 

 

 

 

Huh?

[VW82]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Huh?

 

When would you say he's been considered the consensus best QB? Despite his amazing 2007, I think if you could go back and poll people at the time most would have still picked Manning to start a new team. It was Rodgers who was the best player in 2011 when Manning was out with those neck surgeries, and then Manning came back with two MVP seasons right after, followed by Rodgers winning it again. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I think most would have taken Rodgers over Brady these last three years as the top guy despite Rodgers's injuries and brutal teams he's had to carry to the playoffs. Brady's been fantastic and has probably been the second best QB over that period but he's also been playing on the best team in the league and for the best coach. He's had that advantage for pretty much his whole career.

 

Has there ever been a player in any other sport who was considered the GOAT and yet was never really the consensus best player at his position for an extended period? I think It's a fair question. 

Edited September 16, 2018 by VW82

[Rico]

5 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

When would you say he's been considered the consensus best QB? Despite his amazing 2007, I think if you could go back and poll people at the time most would have still picked Manning to start a new team. It was Rodgers who was the best player in 2011 when Manning was out with those neck surgeries, and then Manning came back with two MVP seasons right after, followed by Rodgers winning it again. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I think most would have taken Rodgers over Brady these last three years as the top guy despite Rodgers's injuries and brutal teams he's had to carry to the playoffs. Brady's been fantastic and has probably been the second best QB but he's also playing on the best team and for the best coach. 

 

Has there ever been a player in any other sport who was considered the GOAT and yet was never really the consensus best player at his position for an extended period? I think It's a fair question. 

Maybe it's just me, but I have never thought Rodgers was better than Brady. I'm not sure if he would make my top 10.

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, sven233 said:

 

Uh.....no.  They barely won any of their early titles.  Any type of cheating could have swayed those games.  Also, they were doing this cheating all along before they got caught.  Who knows how long they were cheating before they got caught and who knows what else they are doing that they haven't been called on yet.  His whole career is tainted. Period.

 

And the quotes around "cheating" are not necessary.  They are proven cheaters (multiple times), so no need to couch it.  They cheated and didn't pay a big enough price for it.

 

Like I said, over exaggerated and over sensationalized.  I get it, we are Bills fans so the opinions are gonna be stronger, but doesn’t change the fact for me that Brady is either one or 2 on the GOAT list.