McBean Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Star and Murphy signings were horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Really did it. Hmmm ok how much are you paying Star and Dareus in cap hit RIGHT now? what about QB with McCarron and Tyrod in Cap hit right now. Rolled over 6 last year from Darius saved 2 this year. Totals 8 Star gets 6. Trading Tyrod saved 10 million. You are right though AJ costs us 2. Could 2 million more have made us a playoff contender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: How would you have filled 10 holes with 20 mil? hmmm. perhaps you don't create the holes to begin with? Perhaps you retain some draft choices so you can bring in offensive lineman? Perhaps you don't allocate to one defensive tackle? Perhaps if you had even a little bit of money, you put it to work where the biggest holes occurred last offseason, and sign an All-Pro center instead of Russ Bodine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 On 9/14/2018 at 3:54 PM, Pete said: 2019 free agent class- Taylor Lewan! Tennessee would be crazy to let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Tyrod's friend said: hmmm. perhaps you don't create the holes to begin with? Perhaps you retain some draft choices so you can bring in offensive lineman? Perhaps you don't allocate to one defensive tackle? Perhaps if you had even a little bit of money, you put it to work where the biggest holes occurred last offseason, and sign an All-Pro center instead of Russ Bodine? That plan would have been impossible. We didn’t have the cap for it. But we could have held off on drafting a QB, gotten a few more picks. But then we are in the boat of hoping to maybe have a QB someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Batman1876 said: That plan would have been impossible. We didn’t have the cap for it. But we could have held off on drafting a QB, gotten a few more picks. But then we are in the boat of hoping to maybe have a QB someday. Or they could have drafted Mahomes last season without trading a thing... just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Batman1876 said: Rolled over 6 last year from Darius saved 2 this year. Totals 8 Star gets 6. Trading Tyrod saved 10 million. You are right though AJ costs us 2. Could 2 million more have made us a playoff contender? Dareus costing 13 star another 6. So 20M there. With Dareus and not star there is another 7M in cap space The. Another 9M in dead cap and 2m next year in QB. But hey your right i mean they didnt make the playoffs last year. But thats right they are rebuilding so so glad they have out Star and Murphy and McCarron contracts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, vincec said: Or they could have drafted Mahomes last season without trading a thing... just saying. Beane couldn’t have. 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Dareus costing 13 star another 6. So 20M there. With Dareus and not star there is another 7M in cap space The. Another 9M in dead cap and 2m next year in QB. But hey your right i mean they didnt make the playoffs last year. But thats right they are rebuilding so so glad they have out Star and Murphy and McCarron contracts Your math is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 26 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I guess, but is Beane really at fault for Vontae quitting mid-game? How many times has that even happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: Beane couldn’t have. Your math is wrong. Go check the dead money on spotrac. With Now DT is costing over 20M. With Dareus and Star in cap space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Go check the dead money on spotrac. With Now DT is costing over 20M. With Dareus and Star in cap space Darius would have cost 16 mil, he also saved us 6 mil last year which we rolled over into this year that adds up to 22. That’s a savings of 2 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 No reason for Beane to trade away Sammy and Dareus. This board can say all they want but Sammy, Gilmore, Dareus, Darby are all starting in this league and the Bills have the highest paid FB and an overpaid Star. Add a WR playing for the Patriots on the Bills payroll, a blown comp pick for a bunch of crap free agents, and complete failures of Murphy, Bodine, and AJ. It is about as bad a start to a GM tenure as you can imagine. Again, none of this matters if Allen is the guy. We won't care in 2020 how bad the O-line was in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Dadonkadonk said: No reason for Beane to trade away Sammy and Dareus. This board can say all they want but Sammy, Gilmore, Dareus, Darby are all starting in this league and the Bills have the highest paid FB and an overpaid Star. Add a WR playing for the Patriots on the Bills payroll, a blown comp pick for a bunch of crap free agents, and complete failures of Murphy, Bodine, and AJ. It is about as bad a start to a GM tenure as you can imagine. Again, none of this matters if Allen is the guy. We won't care in 2020 how bad the O-line was in 2018. It will matter if Allen gets destroyed like David Carr because he has a crap team around him, especially that 2018 OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, vincec said: It will matter if Allen gets destroyed like David Carr because he has a crap team around him, especially that 2018 OL. David Carr was going to suck no matter what. Allen will be fine. The biggest problem will be knowing he has time in the pocket and not sensing phantom pressure when they add three new OL next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: That plan would have been impossible. We didn’t have the cap for it. But we could have held off on drafting a QB, gotten a few more picks. But then we are in the boat of hoping to maybe have a QB someday. Mike Pouncey, three time Pro Bowl center, signed a two year, $15MM contract with the Chargers. Not signing him was a decision; it was valuing improvement in the defensive line over improving our offensive line. Sorry, but you are wrong. It was entirely possible. We settled for a center that has NEVER been any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Dadonkadonk said: David Carr was going to suck no matter what. Allen will be fine. The biggest problem will be knowing he has time in the pocket and not sensing phantom pressure when they add three new OL next year. Exactly. He will develop bad habits. Looking at the rush, throwing too quickly, not setting his feet, etc. Forget that he might actually get injured if he runs it 8 times per game and gets hit 20 more on passes like today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Tyrod's friend said: Mike Pouncey, three time Pro Bowl center, signed a two year, $15MM contract with the Chargers. Not signing him was a decision; it was valuing improvement in the defensive line over improving our offensive line. Sorry, but you are wrong. It was entirely possible. We settled for a center that has NEVER been any good. Who would we have cut to sign him? That’s what makes your plan impossible. We were spent to the cap with roster no room for the contract without cutting someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 They gave the defense Star, Murphy, Davis and Edmunds in Rd 1. They gave the offense and Josh Allen....Chris Ivory. Atrocious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, vincec said: It will matter if Allen gets destroyed like David Carr because he has a crap team around him, especially that 2018 OL. Ahhhh the good old Carr analogys that means ABSOLUTELY Nothing 2 minutes ago, vincec said: Exactly. He will develop bad habits. Looking at the rush, throwing too quickly, not setting his feet, etc. Forget that he might actually get injured if he runs it 8 times per game and gets hit 20 more on passes like today. So why didnt all this mysterious stuff happen to Jared Goff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Ahhhh the good old Carr analogys that means ABSOLUTELY Nothing Sure. That's why all these rookie QBs are starting around the league. Means nothing!!! lol Stupid coaches. Edited September 17, 2018 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: Who would we have cut to sign him? That’s what makes your plan impossible. We were spent to the cap with roster no room for the contract without cutting someone. How is that possible. When you Signed McCarron later. Traded for a 3.5M cap hit in Coleman and still have 8M in space. Not to mention the 2plusM paid to Bodine and the 5M paid to retired Davis 2 minutes ago, vincec said: Sure. That's why all these rookie QBs are starting around the league. Means nothing!!! lol Stupid coaches. Ok. So if Carr was destroyed with his 4.9 sacks a game. Why wasnt Goff in his 4.0 sacks a game. Or Kelly he is in the HOF absolutely getting destoyed in USFL and NFL early. Let me tell you why you are either good or your not. And Carr wasnt good. is Allen Destroyed from Wyoming getting hit?? Edited September 17, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: How is that possible. When you Signed McCarron later. Traded for a 3.5M cap hit in Coleman and still have 8M in space. Not to mention the 2plusM paid to Bodine and the 5M paid to retired Davis It sounds like they are going to get some of that money to Davis back, so there's that. Maybe the Pegulas will throw a monster party with it! 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: How is that possible. When you Signed McCarron later. Traded for a 3.5M cap hit in Coleman and still have 8M in space. Not to mention the 2plusM paid to Bodine and the 5M paid to retired Davis Ok. So if Carr was destroyed with his 4.9 sacks a game. Why wasnt Goff in his 4.0 sacks a game. Or Kelly he is in the HOF absolutely getting destoyed in USFL and NFL early. Let me tell you why you are either good or your not. And Carr wasnt good. is Allen Destroyed from Wyoming getting hit?? Goff didn't start as a rookie. Kelly didn't start as a rookie in the NFL. Nice try. OTOH, look at Mahomes. I know, Andy Reid doesn't know beans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: How is that possible. When you Signed McCarron later. Traded for a 3.5M cap hit in Coleman and still have 8M in space. Not to mention the 2plusM paid to Bodine and the 5M paid to retired Davis Because the money for those moves came from trading and not resigning other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: Who would we have cut to sign him? That’s what makes your plan impossible. We were spent to the cap with roster no room for the contract without cutting someone. We spent more than $50MM on Star; another $15MM on Trent. Don't sign Trent, and don't sign Bodine, and you had the money for Pouncey. Why is this so hard to understand? The cap space was there to sign Mike Pouncey this offseason. We just didn't. We signed two more defensive linemen instead - this was despite the fact that the offensive line lost three really good starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: Because the money for those moves came from trading and not resigning other players. So they could have signed Pouncy. Thanks instead of Davis, Bodine and Newhouse they could have easily had Pouncy. Edited September 17, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Ahhhh the good old Carr analogys that means ABSOLUTELY Nothing So why didnt all this mysterious stuff happen to Jared Goff? Last year, the Rams signed an All Pro left tackle in Whitfield. So there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So they could have signed Pouncy. Thanks You said keep the players who we cut and traded and Sign Pouncey. I said that plan would have been impossible. Edited September 17, 2018 by Batman1876 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Tyrod's friend said: Last year, the Rams signed an All Pro left tackle in Whitfield. So there's that. Also, Goff didn't start until week 10 and the Rams were a 4-5 team at that point, not a virtual expansion team like the Bills are right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: You said keep the players who we cut and traded and Sign Pouncey. I said that plan would have been impossible. No what was said is there was more than enough money in the Offseason to Sign Pouncy and address the Line with an actual GOOD player. This regime didnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Ive wondered this......was there really any savings with the trading Dareus and eating his signing bonus and signing Star? Seems like when I go to the over cap site the Jags are only paying Dareus about 10 million----about the same we are paying Star. I mean if all about the same think there's any personnel person in the NFL who would rather have Star over Dareus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: perhaps you don't create the holes to begin with? Perhaps you retain some draft choices so you can bring in offensive lineman? Perhaps you don't allocate to one defensive tackle? Perhaps if you had even a little bit of money, you put it to work where the biggest holes occurred last offseason, and sign an All-Pro center instead of Russ Bodine? 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: No what was said is there was more than enough money in the Offseason to Sign Pouncy and address the Line with an actual GOOD player. This regime didnt That’s not what was said, to paraphrase the above retain and sign. Pouncey wanted to play for a contender anyway, I’m assuming that took Buffalo off the table for him. 4 minutes ago, billsfan714 said: Ive wondered this......was there really any savings with the trading Dareus and eating his signing bonus and signing Star? Seems like when I go to the over cap site the Jags are only paying Dareus about 10 million----about the same we are paying Star. I mean if all about the same think there's any personnel person in the NFL who would rather have Star over Dareus? Saved 2 million. We rolled over 6 from last year, save 2 this year and Star costs 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said: Mike Pouncey, three time Pro Bowl center, signed a two year, $15MM contract with the Chargers. Not signing him was a decision; it was valuing improvement in the defensive line over improving our offensive line. Sorry, but you are wrong. It was entirely possible. We settled for a center that has NEVER been any good. Who said Pouncey wanted to sign with us? A team that lost 3 veteran offensive lineman this offseason and he would be protecting a rookie QB. This isn't madden. The player has to want to come here. If I were him, I'd have chosen the Chargers if Buffalo and the Chargers offered a contract. LA vs. Buffalo... A team looking to go to the playoffs versus a team clearly in rebuilding mode. I don't think we would have ever been an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said: Mike Pouncey, three time Pro Bowl center, signed a two year, $15MM contract with the Chargers. Not signing him was a decision; it was valuing improvement in the defensive line over improving our offensive line. Sorry, but you are wrong. It was entirely possible. We settled for a center that has NEVER been any good. 21 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: Who would we have cut to sign him? That’s what makes your plan impossible. We were spent to the cap with roster no room for the contract without cutting someone. Thats what I quoted and if you could follow along it would be much easier. 3 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: perhaps you don't create the holes to begin with? Perhaps you retain some draft choices so you can bring in offensive lineman? Perhaps you don't allocate to one defensive tackle? Perhaps if you had even a little bit of money, you put it to work where the biggest holes occurred last offseason, and sign an All-Pro center instead of Russ Bodine? That’s not what was said, to paraphrase the above retain and sign. Pouncey wanted to play for a contender anyway, I’m assuming that took Buffalo off the table for him. OOOOO SO NOW that it was showed they could have signed a better player you move the goalposts. TYPICAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: No what was said is there was more than enough money in the Offseason to Sign Pouncy and address the Line with an actual GOOD player. This regime didnt LA or Buffalo. A team looking to contend or a rebuilding team. We didn't have a chance my dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: perhaps you don't create the holes to begin with? Perhaps you retain some draft choices so you can bring in offensive lineman? Perhaps you don't allocate to one defensive tackle? Perhaps if you had even a little bit of money, you put it to work where the biggest holes occurred last offseason, and sign an All-Pro center instead of Russ Bodine? That’s not what was said, to paraphrase the above retain and sign. Pouncey wanted to play for a contender anyway, I’m assuming that took Buffalo off the table for him. Saved 2 million. We rolled over 6 from last year, save 2 this year and Star costs 6. Yeah but Star is over 11 million next year, 10 million in 20 and still has 5 million in dead money in 21 if we cut him. I just dont see a lot of savings there long term, especially for a guy with 0 tackles. Edited September 17, 2018 by billsfan714 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo30 said: LA or Buffalo. A team looking to contend or a rebuilding team. We didn't have a chance my dude You know this because the Bills FO called him. Ooo wait no they didnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Thats what I quoted and if you could follow along it would be much easier. OOOOO SO NOW that it was showed they could have signed a better player you move the goalposts. TYPICAL Not moving the goal post, sticking to the original quote. About signing an pro bowl center. It was posted before you commented. Sorry you are having a hard time following. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 26 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: They gave the defense Star, Murphy, Davis and Edmunds in Rd 1. They gave the offense and Josh Allen....Chris Ivory. Atrocious. You forgot Kerley... Oh, wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Bush has been good and I bet if Ivory got more touched he would be ok. He’s very physical. Mccarron never should have been traded. That’s just another bonehead move by this GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan714 said: Yeah but Star is over 11 million next year, 10 million in 20 and still has 5 million in dead money in 21 if we cut him. I just dont see a lot of savings there long term. Darius Cost 47 mill over 19,20 and 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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