TheElectricCompany Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) On 7/24/2018 at 10:29 PM, Shaw66 said: Have you read what Beane said? He and his staff turned on the film and studied it for a long time. They didn't see a mediocre QB. Expand Of course not. They saw a franchise QB. Would you expect them to say otherwise? I'm sure they could explain away all of his flaws. Edited July 24, 2018 by TheElectricCompany
Logic Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) On 7/24/2018 at 10:36 PM, Shaw66 said: I'm expecting AJ. McD will want his experience on the field. His defense will keep games close, so McD will want no mistakes. That's AJ. Expand I think the biggest reason the Bills went 9-7 and made the playoffs last year is that they won the turnover battle by a significant margin and rarely turned the ball over. That has proven over and over again to be a winning recipe. The move from Tyrod Taylor (risk averse, but a good protector of the football) to Josh Allen ("Favre says always go for a touchdown", will almost certainly turn the ball over a lot more than Tyrod) is an incredibly interesting one. Talk about a drastic change for your offense! Edited July 24, 2018 by Logic 1
Bobby Hooks Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 B On 7/24/2018 at 10:36 PM, Shaw66 said: I'm expecting AJ. McD will want his experience on the field. His defense will keep games close, so McD will want no mistakes. That's AJ. Expand I get the thought behind this because he’s been in the league longer, but hasn’t he started like 4 games? I dont know if thays enough to label him the mistake free safer option. I actually think all things even we roll with Peterman to start.
LeGOATski Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 8:32 PM, BillsfanAZ said: This what I dont understand. A ton of college QB's that had great numbers didnt do much in the NFL. Playing QB is more than stats alone. For a QB to be successful it takes the right combo of system, coaching, and talent around him. How does anyone know what kind of QB he will be even before he gets drafted?? Expand Some of us just know more about football than others. It's a blessing and a burden. 1
3rdand12 Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 10:54 PM, Bobby Hooks said: B I get the thought behind this because he’s been in the league longer, but hasn’t he started like 4 games? I dont know if thays enough to label him the mistake free safer option. I actually think all things even we roll with Peterman to start. Expand Very hard to predict at this point. But they brought in AJM while having Peterman in hand. I think Bills felt they stole him honestly lol. Maybe a handshake was done ha ha Similar QBs though don't you think? and AJM has more NFL "experience " overall. I would feel he is more trusted to start. But thats my opinion : )
Bangarang Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 10:29 PM, Shaw66 said: Have you read what Beane said? He and his staff turned on the film and studied it for a long time. They didn't see a mediocre QB. Expand Let’s hope he’s right
fansince88 Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 10:27 PM, The Drought said: Never saw either, read all the books, just couldn't get past Tom Cruise playing Jack Reacher who is 6'5" 250lbs and has dirty blond hair. The stories are good so I'm sure the movies were well done. Expand Actually, best movies he ever acted in imho
3rdand12 Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 11:10 PM, Bangarang said: Let’s hope he’s right Expand we are hoping. No reason not to really. Go Bills
billspro Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 9:59 PM, Shaw66 said: I agree all those things are suspect. I'd argue that they're all suspect with the other rookie QBs, too. None of them has ever been in an NFL game, and they haven't shown they can do anything. There plenty of explanations why Allen did those things less well in college, maybe the explanations, maybe they aren't. But Allen has a lot of talent that we DON'T have to worry about. He can throw every pass the NFL demands. He can throw deep, he can throw with touch, he throw bullets, he can throw the sideline out routes. He has a quick release. He's big and strong. He's faster than any of the others in the top four rookies drafted. In short, he has a lot the other guys don't have. Mayfield's not getting any taller, Rosen's not getting any bigger, Darnold's not getting any smarter. I'm just gonna wait and see. Expand I do think Allen’s accuracy is very underrated. I don’t think he will have an issue with that at all. Now awareness and decision making we will see if he can develop that without having to run for his life in every play.
TheElectricCompany Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 11:21 PM, billspro said: I do think Allen’s accuracy is very underrated. Expand Man, now I've really heard it all.
White Linen Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 11:21 PM, billspro said: I do think Allen’s accuracy is very underrated. I don’t think he will have an issue with that at all. Now awareness and decision making we will see if he can develop that without having to run for his life in every play. Expand That's correct and it's the same worry for every QB prospect, he's no different. All the top prospects have skills and question marks. They all have an opportunity to see if they can hang in the NFL. Most wont and some will and there's a possibility a 2nd or 3rd flight prospect out performs all of them. It's the way it goes. I'm not trying to speak for you but I'm personally tired of hearing about how especially long our prospects odds are. 2
billspro Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) On 7/24/2018 at 11:27 PM, TheElectricCompany said: Man, now I've really heard it all. Expand Obviously you didn’t see his accuracy after working with Palmer. Did you not pay attention to the offseason? Again people continue to confuse accuracy with completion percentage. Allen’s incompletions were rarely due to accuracy issues. He did have some accuracy issues at times in the flats. His incompletions were mostly due to poor oline play, lack or WR separation, throwing late, and decision making. On 7/24/2018 at 11:39 PM, White Linen said: That's correct and it's the same worry for every QB prospect, he's no different. All the top prospects have skills and question marks. They all have an opportunity to see if they can hang in the NFL. Most wont and some will and there's a possibility a 2nd or 3rd flight prospect out performs all of them. It's the way it goes. I'm not trying to speak for you but I'm personally tired of hearing about how especially long our prospects odds are. Expand I am tired of it. I had Allen rated as my 6th QB based on his senior tape. Saying that when you factor in junior tape and the offseason he has the most potential of any QB in this class. I think 7 QBs have a chance to be franchise guys, it was a really good QB class. The odds are 50% of them bust. I hope Allen isn’t one of the busts. Edited July 24, 2018 by billspro
TheElectricCompany Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) On 7/24/2018 at 11:44 PM, billspro said: Obviously you didn’t see his accuracy after working with Palmer. Did you not pay attention to the offseason? Again people continue to confuse accuracy with completion percentage. Allen’s incompletions were rarely due to accuracy issues. He did have some accuracy issues at times in the flats. His incompletions were mostly due to poor oline play, lack or WR separation, throwing late, and decision making. Expand Ah, OK. Glad he got it corrected in shorts. Just like Tim Tebow did, right? Dammit, we need some real Josh Allen NFL action, because his time in Wyoming left too much to be desired. On 7/24/2018 at 11:39 PM, White Linen said: All the top prospects have skills and question marks. Expand The others were actually top notch QBs in college. Edited July 24, 2018 by TheElectricCompany
billspro Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 11:50 PM, TheElectricCompany said: Ah, OK. Glad he got it corrected in shorts. Just like Tim Tebow did, right? Damnit, we need some real Josh Allen NFL action, because his time in Wyoming left a real sour taste. Expand I think he will prove me right in training camp, preseason, and the regular season this year. There is something special there, I can see why the Bills loved him. On 7/24/2018 at 11:50 PM, TheElectricCompany said: Ah, OK. Glad he got it corrected in shorts. Just like Tim Tebow did, right? Damnit, we need some real Josh Allen NFL action, because his time in Wyoming left a real sour taste. Expand It wasn’t all bad. He won a lot of games with a terrible team around him. 1
Bangarang Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 11:44 PM, billspro said: Obviously you didn’t see his accuracy after working with Palmer. Did you not pay attention to the offseason? Expand Which part of the offseason? He’s been mostly throwing against air in gym shorts. Quote Again people continue to confuse accuracy with completion percentage. Allen’s incompletions were rarely due to accuracy issues. He did have some accuracy issues at times in the flats. His incompletions were mostly due to poor oline play, lack or WR separation, throwing late, and decision making. Expand Holy excuses Batman. Accuracy has been a legitimate criticism throughout the entire draft process. Quite frankly, it’s still a concern. Let’s not try and rewrite history because he’s being hyped up as our franchise QB. 1
billspro Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 11:57 PM, Bangarang said: Which part of the offseason? He’s been mostly throwing against air in gym shorts. Holy excuses Batman. Accuracy has been a legitimate criticism throughout the entire draft process. Quite frankly, it’s still a concern. Let’s not try and rewrite history because he’s being hyped up as our franchise QB. Expand We will see this week, I don’t see it being an issue in training camp. I have been wrong before though.
Bangarang Posted July 25, 2018 Posted July 25, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 11:58 PM, billspro said: We will see this week, I don’t see it being an issue in training camp. I have been wrong before though. Expand He was inconsistent throughout mini camp and OTAs but training camp is where it magically turns around? Sounds great! 1
Bill_with_it Posted July 25, 2018 Posted July 25, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 4:26 PM, Scorp83 said: Hour 1 from Howard & Jeremy this morning on the Football Outsiders write up...(which I've posted the link below). https://app.radio.com/s2OuDBPrGO Man... this guy scares me. This write up.... wow. From the Write Up: "A parody of an NFL quarterback prospect, Allen was abysmal in 2017 en route to not even making an all-Mountain West team. We don't want to say there's absolutely no chance he'll ever be good – he's got a deep ball, he's got some ability to make plays on the run and under pressure – but there is zero empirical evidence to support him becoming a reasonable NFL starting quarterback. And if you thought the excuses for his supporting cast were bad in Wyoming, wait till you see this Bills offense. ... Allen is the battleground that old scouts are going to die on, whether they're right about it or, as all evidence suggests, wrong about it." [BN] Blitz newsletter: Get your popcorn ready for this Josh Allen take – The Buffalo Newshttps://buffalonews.com/2018/07/24/josh-allen-take-football-outsiders-bills-almanac-scouts/ Expand To remotely entertain this opinionated and lacking factual substance paragraph as anything more than a poorly written attention grabber is making the author look Shakespeare like.
billspro Posted July 25, 2018 Posted July 25, 2018 On 7/25/2018 at 12:04 AM, Bangarang said: He was inconsistent throughout mini camp and OTAs but training camp is where it magically turns around? Sounds great! Expand He played well from all reports
Scorp83 Posted July 25, 2018 Author Posted July 25, 2018 On 7/24/2018 at 4:38 PM, Fadingpain said: This is the sort of thing I have been saying since the moment we drafted him. He is a perfect test case for old school "I know what I see" football people vs. new age data driven analysis. The former loves his size, arm strength, and potential; the latter suggests he is highly unlikely to become even a serviceable NFL QB. There is tremendous optimism for his success at this forum, but it is not rooted in persuasive data. It is simply a function of many good Bills fans being beyond desperate to finally have a real QB. It's been a while. Expand Well said
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