KW95 - JA17 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I think you guy could convince anyone that Trump is a hero and great for the USA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 44 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: This is exactly correct. The world is not binary. It's not that "the United States is bad" and "North Korea is good", it's that there are definitively bad actors within the US government who act in a rogue capacity in the service of constituencies whom are not in government, and in most cases aren't even American. They have been able to operate because they control many elected (and unelected, think both bureaucrats and the courts) members of our governments (state, federal, local), foreign governments, and heads of major media (old and new) and major corporations through a system of blackmail, which has become far more wide spread and far more insidious in the information age when we gave them unfettered access to everyone's digital communications. When you can control a man via information you have about him, either that you harvested or created through honey-potting, you can control every decision he makes towards your ends. You can control votes in Congress. You can control the decisions rendered by the Court. You can control voices in the media and use them to propagandize for you. You can control monetary policy. You can control the world. These are bad actors doing absurdly evil things. You owe them no allegiance. In fact, if you value American sovereignty, human freedom, and the goodness of man you owe your allegiance to fighting them such that we can give a better world to our children. Intel can be very dirty business. I do not accept that this dirty business involves trying to pave the way for a Presidential Candidate at full prejudice against the eventual winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, KW95 said: I think you guy could convince anyone that Trump is a hero and great for the USA! English please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, westside said: English please? Sorry, after reading the transcript, I meant to write Couldn't. The sentence should read: " I think you guys couldn't convince anyone that Trump is a hero and great for the USA " Edited July 17, 2018 by KW95 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, KW95 said: Sorry, after reading the transcript, I meant to write Couldn't. The sentence should read: " I think you guys couldn't convince anyone that Trump is a hero and great for the USA " you only have to beat the opponent they put up against you 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, KW95 said: Sorry, after reading the transcript, I meant to write Couldn't. The sentence should read: " I think you guys couldn't convince anyone that Trump is a hero and great for the USA " Actually, that's demonstrably untrue. Both before and after the election this sub-forum was a haven of never Trump sentiment. With diminishingly few exceptions, the posters here rejected the President's rhetoric, believed his policy positions absurd and destructive, and viewed him as boorish, grotesque, and otherwise unpalatable. I myself was a never Trump libertarian who believed the President would destroy American conservatism in a way that would change the course of the country forever. Greg (Deranged Rhino) was of a similar opinion, only he's further to the left than I am. Something happened along the road to impeachment, however. Greg became aware of some information which he threw himself into as a research project, and approached it with a zeal for true investigative journalism not often seen in today's media environment, and he shared his findings with us on a continuous and on going capacity. He sourced it with absurd amounts of documentation, and made, over time, one of the most compelling arguments I've ever read anywhere. He challenged us not to simply believe him, but to vet his work; trying to punch holes in it. We did, and we tried. But his argument was too strong, and his predictions became stunningly accurate. As a result this forum became what you see it as today because of one man's work, and the willingness of others to seek truth with an open mind. The argument has convinced more than it has not. Edited July 18, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Actually, that's demonstrably untrue. Both before and after the election this sub-forum was a haven of never Trump sentiment. With diminishingly few exceptions, the posters here rejected the President's rhetoric, believed his policy positions absurd and destructive, and viewed him as boorish, grotesque, and otherwise unpalatable. I myself was a never Trump libertarian who believed the President would destroy American conservatism in a way that would change the course of the country forever. Greg (Deranged Rhino) was of a similar opinion, only he's further to the left than I am. Something happened along the road to impeachment, however. Greg became aware of some information which he threw himself into as a research project, and approached it with a zeal for true investigative journalism not often seen in today's media environment, and he shared his findings with us on a continuous and on going capacity. He sourced it with absurd amounts of documentation, and made, over time, one of the most compelling arguments I've ever read anywhere. He challenged us not to simply believe him, but to vet his work; trying to punch holes in it. We did, and we tried. But his argument was too strong, and his predictions became stunningly accurate. As a result this forum because what you see it as today because of one man's work, and the willingness of others to seek truth with an open mind. The argument has convinced more than it has not. He is a leftist? I dont know the man, but I find it hard to believe he is a leftist. I tried going back to his early posts but you can only go back to April 8th as he posts so much... I do agree with your post, though. The arguments here I have noticed turned quite a few opinions, and have been quite enlightening. They have even triggered the left to send in some trolls to push the conversation left, like Tiberius. Edited July 17, 2018 by MILFHUNTER#518 Added content 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: He is a leftist? I dont know the man, but I find it hard to believe he is a leftist. I tried going back to his early posts but you can only go back to April 8th as he posts so much... Greg was never a leftist, but he was a liberal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 32 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: He is a leftist? I dont know the man, but I find it hard to believe he is a leftist. I tried going back to his early posts but you can only go back to April 8th as he posts so much... I do agree with your post, though. The arguments here I have noticed turned quite a few opinions, and have been quite enlightening. They have even triggered the left to send in some trolls to push the conversation left, like Tiberius. He was. It's actually kind of strange to think about now. Just today, I was reading one of his posts and thinking "Remember when..." Of course, that was mostly expressed through social issues during the years the Obama administration highlighted/exploited them. Now that we've shifted the hysterics from gay wedding cakes to President Putin, and he refuses to embrace that level of unholy stupidity, his liberalism gets much less expression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Quote Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) on Tuesday called for the American translator present during President Trump's one-on-one meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin to tell Congress what was said. "I believe the Senate Foreign Relations Committee should hold a hearing with the American translator who was present during President Trump and President Putin's private meeting to determine what was specifically discussed and agreed to on the United States's behalf," Shaheen, a member of the committee, said. Trump and Putin had a private one-on-one meeting that reportedly lasted more than two hours on Monday before a shocking joint press conference. http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/397484-dem-senator-translator-in-trump-putin-meeting-should-tell-congress-what-was sounds reasonable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 6 hours ago, DC Tom said: Hillary's not president... What? I can't hear you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 6 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I don't have "loyalties", and neither should you. And we're not talking about "mistakes" we're talking about a long and storied history of taking direct intentional actions against the lives and interest of the American people. Lying us into Iraq was not a "mistake". The Bay of Pigs was not a "mistake." MKUltra was not a "mistake". Intentionally releasing the whooping cough in the Tampa Bay area was not a "mistake". Intentionally infecting Guatemalans with syphilis was not a "mistake". Injecting unsuspecting US citizens with plutonium was not a "mistake". Injecting prisoners with the main ingredient of Agent Orange was not a "mistake". Choosing to protect and insulate known pedophiles in government was not a "mistake". Dosing unsuspecting US citizens with LSD was not a "mistake". Overthrowing the governments of Iran, Argentina, Guatemala, the Congo, the Dominican Republic, South Vietnam, and Chile was not a "mistake". Running the global supply of opiates was not a "mistake". These are just a few examples of absolutely egregious and criminal acts undertaken by these same agencies you're claiming it is your patriotic duty to trust, and owe allegiance to. I'll tell you what a mistake was, me shorting aluminum foil stocks and not cornering the market on popcorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 6 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I don't have "loyalties", and neither should you. And we're not talking about "mistakes" we're talking about a long and storied history of taking direct intentional actions against the lives and interest of the American people. Lying us into Iraq was not a "mistake". The Bay of Pigs was not a "mistake." MKUltra was not a "mistake". Intentionally releasing the whooping cough in the Tampa Bay area was not a "mistake". Intentionally infecting Guatemalans with syphilis was not a "mistake". Injecting unsuspecting US citizens with plutonium was not a "mistake". Injecting prisoners with the main ingredient of Agent Orange was not a "mistake". Choosing to protect and insulate known pedophiles in government was not a "mistake". Dosing unsuspecting US citizens with LSD was not a "mistake". Overthrowing the governments of Iran, Argentina, Guatemala, the Congo, the Dominican Republic, South Vietnam, and Chile was not a "mistake". Running the global supply of opiates was not a "mistake". These are just a few examples of absolutely egregious and criminal acts undertaken by these same agencies you're claiming it is your patriotic duty to trust, and owe allegiance to. Great list! Hope you don't mind, I'm borrowing it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 24 minutes ago, Cinga said: Great list! Hope you don't mind, I'm borrowing it... Oh come on now, your neighbors aren't that bad! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/397484-dem-senator-translator-in-trump-putin-meeting-should-tell-congress-what-was sounds reasonable I'm just amazed at how much time and energy Congresscritters have to watch and critique every word and every move the President makes. I suppose when you do your own job so completely and so well it affords you the time to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 3 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Actually, that's demonstrably untrue. Both before and after the election this sub-forum was a haven of never Trump sentiment. With diminishingly few exceptions, the posters here rejected the President's rhetoric, believed his policy positions absurd and destructive, and viewed him as boorish, grotesque, and otherwise unpalatable. I myself was a never Trump libertarian who believed the President would destroy American conservatism in a way that would change the course of the country forever. Greg (Deranged Rhino) was of a similar opinion, only he's further to the left than I am. Something happened along the road to impeachment, however. Greg became aware of some information which he threw himself into as a research project, and approached it with a zeal for true investigative journalism not often seen in today's media environment, and he shared his findings with us on a continuous and on going capacity. He sourced it with absurd amounts of documentation, and made, over time, one of the most compelling arguments I've ever read anywhere. He challenged us not to simply believe him, but to vet his work; trying to punch holes in it. We did, and we tried. But his argument was too strong, and his predictions became stunningly accurate. As a result this forum because what you see it as today because of one man's work, and the willingness of others to seek truth with an open mind. The argument has convinced more than it has not. Basically. I still think that Trump is a boorish thin skinned narcissist, but it's hard to argue with the results so far. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 The idea of getting along with Russia in itself is not a bad one....however.....he can't seem to stop shouting himself in the foot........" I mispoke..." Really ?....what the hell are his advisers paid for ?....Their jobs is to stop that kind of embarrassing moments to happen....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said: The idea of getting along with Russia in itself is not a bad one....however.....he can't seem to stop shouting himself in the foot........" I mispoke..." Really ?....what the hell are his advisers paid for ?....Their jobs is to stop that kind of embarrassing moments to happen....... It doesn’t matter. Just another day of his haters freaking out. I don’t get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said: The idea of getting along with Russia in itself is not a bad one....however.....he can't seem to stop shouting himself in the foot........" I mispoke..." Really ?....what the hell are his advisers paid for ?....Their jobs is to stop that kind of embarrassing moments to happen....... Yeah but they don't stand at the podium with him when he's speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, Iron Maiden said: The idea of getting along with Russia in itself is not a bad one....however.....he can't seem to stop shouting himself in the foot........" I mispoke..." Really ?....what the hell are his advisers paid for ?....Their jobs is to stop that kind of embarrassing moments to happen....... Maybe he should put his foot in his mouth instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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