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1 hour ago, SDS said:

There are a lot of bad takes in this thread. It was clear by timing of the announcement, and then further confirmed by Tim, this was not a part of the original cost cutting measures.  If he was fired or nudged out it was because of something or multiple things that happened after the restructuring.

 

When I heard the news it was clear to me that he had been very upset that certain writers who were let go, the reasoning behind them being let go,  and with the recent dustup with Vic and the deleting of that tweet, it’s clear there was some acrimony behind the scenes. He never struck me as a fall in line to kind of guy

 

 

Yeah.   Awful takes and false narratives.   As I said it was a given that this thread would bring out the fringe like Promo and LA.      Could've been moderated better.   One star out of five for him from me.   I think he can guess which star.    If we want as much good and entertaining Bills related content here as possible we need an understanding that you don't as a moderator knowingly allow people to make nonsense for key info and perspective contributors like JW to defend themselves(or their colleague's) against.    It's not about kissing JW's backside it's about not being twitter.   Every thread?   No but this was clearly going to be a hate fueled thread.   If it's allowed.......as it was.......then the gloves come off.

 

Very unfortunate to see this happening to TBN.   Might not make much of an impact on the bottom line but Graham is a huge loss in terms of quality of writing.

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54 minutes ago, stony said:

I don't, but there's some new realities that didn't exist 12 months ago that make me think it won't be an easy re-tool.  

 

Why?   The BN is still a top-50 newspaper in a city fortunate enough to have an NFL team to cover    Many talented, younger folks at smaller publications will be lining up to fill those slots.   Or in the case of Vic and TG prior to their act II stints, guys from larger markets / outlets looking to stay in the game...

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1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000917395/article/josh-allen-why-drafts-most-intriguing-qb-prospect-might-also-be-the-best

https://www.si.com/vault/2017/05/09/no-one-no-1

 

I dunno, I googled "feature story on josh allen" and read the first two long features and neither of them mentioned it before I stopped looking.

 

 

 

No, no......in retrospect, everybody knows about the smelt. 

 

I'm told "smelt night" really packed the house in the negro leagues.

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10 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I am one who personally absolutely hates when actors or celebrities spout off their politics like, say, DeNiro did. Especially at awards ceremonies. And I'm a liberal pinko fag who works in Hollywood. But it seems ridiculous for people to bring that into things, ESPECIALLY in movies or TV when an actor is playing the part of someone that is NOT HIM.

 

I'm also an old white dude and happen to like Bruce Springsteen, but I don't like him any more because I agree with some of his politics. I don't agree with his religion which he talks about all the time and which is infused in more of his music than politics but i don't like him any LESS because of his religion. I even like a few Kid Rock songs but I don't like him any more or any less because of his politics. I love Clint Eastwood and pretty much everything he does but his crappy politics (IMO) don't enter the equation in any acting or directing that he does. I find it ludicrous.

When was the last time you heard the Dixie Chicks on the radio? It happens, you might rail against it, but it happens. People make choices because of the public pronouncements of actors, singers, writers etc.

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7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

No, no......in retrospect, everybody knows about the smelt. 

 

I'm told "smelt night" really packed the house in the negro leagues.

Well, it is very true that a lot of people have smelt up this thread pretty bad with their rancid takes.

6 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

When was the last time you heard the Dixie Chicks on the radio? It happens, you might rail against it, but it happens. People make choices because of the public pronouncements of actors, singers, writers etc.

A lot of **** happens. So what? Just because idiots do it on both sides doesn't make it sensical, or right, or how one should act or a illogical lunacy that one should also do. If anything, you should tell your friends it's stupid and to cut it out. I don't watch The Ten Commandments and say I hate that movie because Charlton Heston is in it for crissakes.

 

I say I hate that movie because Charlton Heston is a one note wooden actor!

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3 hours ago, Rico said:

Thanks TG for all the great work, especially in exposing Ralph’s trash for what they were. Happy trails!

I agree.

 

Trust me, it isn't easy to write about a team that sucks for the better part of 20 years. Eventually, you are going to have to say some not nice things and mortally wound people like Promo.

 

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6 hours ago, freester said:

what was the tweet about Bennett?

 

There's a locked thread about it.  Search function is your friend

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5 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I agree.

 

Trust me, it isn't easy to write about a team that sucks for the better part of 20 years. Eventually, you are going to have to say some not nice things and mortally wound people like Promo.

 

 

Yes, and it’s not easy to write - period.  Three quarters of the posters on this forum can’t write a complete, grammatically correct sentence, let alone string a page of sentences together into a coherent point.  The “anyone can be a sportswriter” takes KILL me.  Half of the daily thread titles here sound like they were written by a third grader or a maybe a cat sitting on a keyboard.

 

Quality writing is soon to become an extinct art.  Or maybe a dead letter...

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6 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

No it's not. It's easy. Do you watch a movie and consider an actor's political views as to whether you like the performance or not? 

 

Not usually.

 

But Dimwit DeNiro is making it very difficult.

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5 hours ago, Keukasmallies said:

Why is it that sports writers' opinions are vilified, yet the opinions of TBD posters are glorified?

 

Where exactly does this glorification take place? 

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50 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Why?   The BN is still a top-50 newspaper in a city fortunate enough to have an NFL team to cover    Many talented, younger folks at smaller publications will be lining up to fill those slots.   Or in the case of Vic and TG prior to their act II stints, guys from larger markets / outlets looking to stay in the game...

The trend is more syndicated content.

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9 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Yes, and it’s not easy to write - period.  Three quarters of the posters on this forum can’t write a complete, grammatically correct sentence, let alone string a page of sentences together into a coherent point.  The “anyone can be a sportswriter” takes KILL me.  Half of the daily thread titles here sound like they were written by a third grader or a maybe a cat sitting on a keyboard.

 

Quality writing is soon to become an extinct art.  Or maybe a dead letter...

Disagree. I think there are plenty of good sportswriters who would love to cover 2 pro sports teams and a bunch of D1 schools.  Also, instead of whining about how difficult their job is, they would embrace the opportunity.

 

this reminds me of people who thought the Bills could never attract a good head coach.  And a good football coach is a lot harder to find that a good writer.  NYC/ LA are filled with them. 

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Is Jerry Sullivan still there?

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10 minutes ago, McBean said:

Is Jerry Sullivan still there?

He is leaving as well!!! 😢

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23 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Yes, and it’s not easy to write - period.  Three quarters of the posters on this forum can’t write a complete, grammatically correct sentence, let alone string a page of sentences together into a coherent point.  The “anyone can be a sportswriter” takes KILL me.  Half of the daily thread titles here sound like they were written by a third grader or a maybe a cat sitting on a keyboard.

 

Quality writing is soon to become an extinct art.  Or maybe a dead letter...

 

Little harsh there, as far as TSW is concerned.  And the cats sitting on keyboards with whom I'm acquainted.

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I think Timmah was overall pretty good at his job. He really did put out some great features over the years. 

 

That being said, I won’t miss him because I don’t really read a ton of the snooze anymore and I think he’s a douche because of his antics. I’ve had a handful of twitter “exchanges” with him over the years and he’s the epitome of a keyboard bully / troll. He must not have much of a life to spend the amount of time on Twitter he does. Not surprising. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Not usually.

 

But Dimwit DeNiro is making it very difficult.

"Punchy". :lol:

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This is a serious question:

 

1. If the national columnists are all horrible journalists and “know-nothings”; and 

2. The local columnits are all horrible journalists and “know-nothings”;

 

who is actually considered to be a good sports journalists? I never hear anything good about anyone around here; everyone is an idiot apparently. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah.   Awful takes and false narratives.   As I said it was a given that this thread would bring out the fringe like Promo and LA.      Could've been moderated better.   One star out of five for him from me.   I think he can guess which star.    If we want as much good and entertaining Bills related content here as possible we need an understanding that you don't as a moderator knowingly allow people to make nonsense for key info and perspective contributors like JW to defend themselves(or their colleague's) against.    It's not about kissing JW's backside it's about not being twitter.   Every thread?   No but this was clearly going to be a hate fueled thread.   If it's allowed.......as it was.......then the gloves come off.

 

Very unfortunate to see this happening to TBN.   Might not make much of an impact on the bottom line but Graham is a huge loss in terms of quality of writing.

Maybe I am slow..can you explain this in English?  Are you saying that no content created by an established writer should not be criticized or picked apart? Writers for the BN, AP etc are in the public eye..just like athletes. Why should they not have to defend their public takes?

 

I am just completely lost as to what you want and mean by this post..look forward to a clarifying post

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1 minute ago, bobobonators said:

everyone is an idiot apparently.

 

Fixed...

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1 minute ago, bobobonators said:

This is a serious question:

 

1. If the national columnists are all horrible journalists and “know-nothings”; and 

2. The local columnits are all horrible journalists and “know-nothings”;

 

who is actually considered to be a good sports journalists? I never hear anything good about anyone around here; everyone is an idiot apparently. 🤷🏻‍♂️

JW, cover1, yardsperpass, chris Trapasso, joe B,  Jay Skurski to name a few 

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2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Whatever I write it must really get under your skin considering you only come after me when I'm not the only one speaking poorly of your friends.  It's also a challenge you're less likely to be shown up on (like the BN Blitz subscription challenge you laid down....crickets) considering I live 500 miles from Buffalo and probably have as much chance of being hired by the Buffalo News as you have joining Fox News. (You probably also know that the BN is limited in using freelancers by their union.)

 

But I do think I can write a pretty good story. Maybe I'll take up your challenge.

 

you’re real good at putting down people who aren’t members of this board with your real swell criticisms.

when confronted on them, you’re M.O. is to wilt.

i’d say i was disappointed in this response, but that would suggest i was expecting something of substance.

 

jw

 

 

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59 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 

this reminds me of people who thought the Bills could never attract a good head coach.  

Seriously CB? How long did it take;  and, are you 100% sure that we have one now?  I mean our guy can imitate Coach Saban with his "process," but imo he has a lot to prove.

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