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@YardsPerPass interview on WGR - why he’s talked himself into Josh Allen

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Good interview with John Ramsey who runs the Yards Per Pass twitter account (breaks down Bills games on Twitter) ... he posted this thread where he breaks down GIFs a few weeks ago, good read if you didn’t see it (click on YPP tweet and it will bring up the thread)

 

Audio:

https://d3efjls8gnbg8i.cloudfront.net/1642018/122736291.mp3?rhihttphost=wgr550.hosted.cx

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Everyone can talk themselves into anything. I'll just rather keep my initial opinion and hope I'm wrong. 

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1 minute ago, TheTruthHurts said:

Everyone can talk themselves into anything. I'll just rather keep my initial opinion and hope I'm wrong. 

What was your initial option?

 

I'd be interested to see

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2 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said:

What was your initial option?

 

I'd be interested to see

 

Let me guess.

 

"Low completion percentage" aka "poor accuracy"

 

"Didn't dominate at a mid-major like Roethlisberger did in 2003"

 

"Struggled against power conference programs"

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My initial reaction was while Allen had the most upside he had the most bust potential. And Rosen had the lowest floor and was the most pro ready right now.   

 

Forget Rosen, he's not a Bill.  I'm hoping Daboll can develop Allen into our answer for the next 15 years. 

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2 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said:

What was your initial option?

 

I'd be interested to see

Not sure if he processes fast enough. Everything seems late. People blame it on other factors, but I don't like doing that. 

 

 

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Also coming up this week to talk Bills football on WGR:

 

Joe Blow from "IHaveaFootballWebsite.com" , Josh Kidding of "AskMeAnythingNFL.com"  and Tony Bagadonuts of "PigskinBreakfast.com". 

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Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Let me guess.

 

"Low completion percentage" aka "poor accuracy"

 

"Didn't dominate at a mid-major like Roethlisberger did in 2003"

 

"Struggled against power conference programs"

None of the above. I don't care much about his completion % or his numbers vs top teams. All pretty meaningless. 

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17 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

"HE'S JURST MAKING EXCURSES!" and what not.

 

Jurst?  What language to you speaketh Sir Wayne?

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3 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

Not sure if he processes fast enough. Everything seems late. People blame it on other factors, but I don't like doing that. 

 

 

 

It is definitely a concern. I went through this thread last night and it shows the bad side of Allen:

 

 

Anyone who wants to make a full evaluation of him needs to look at everything, the good and the bad. Obviously that goes for any QB we would have drafted.

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15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

It is definitely a concern. I went through this thread last night and it shows the bad side of Allen:

 

 

Anyone who wants to make a full evaluation of him needs to look at everything, the good and the bad. Obviously that goes for any QB we would have drafted.

 

Is this supposed to be an example of that? Because all I see is his OLine getting annihilated and him having to run for his life.

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Just now, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Is this supposed to be an example of that? Because all I see is his OLine getting annihilated and him having to run for his life.

 

Open the tweet, it's the start of a much longer thread of other Josh Allen film. It starts out with a lot of the bad and eventually gets to the really good. Watching this film I came away more convinced that he needs to sit most of this year. A Peterman-esque 5 interception game is definitely possible if he goes in too early.

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21 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

It is definitely a concern. I went through this thread last night and it shows the bad side of Allen:

 

 

Anyone who wants to make a full evaluation of him needs to look at everything, the good and the bad. Obviously that goes for any QB we would have drafted.

He was the only one on the team that could make a play.  He made huge plays all year by not throwing it away and throwing it down the field.  The offensive line was horrid.

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33 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Jurst?  What language to you speaketh Sir Wayne?

He speaketh in the tongue of the rabblers

12 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

He was the only one on the team that could make a play.  He made huge plays all year by not throwing it away and throwing it down the field.  The offensive line was horrid.

Yeah, that was definitely an issue. He was often trying to do too much.

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3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Yeah, that was definitely an issue. He was often trying to do too much.

I honestly believe that once he's not relied on to be the entire offense, he will clean up some of those "bad" plays that he tried to make something out of nothing.  He may need some time to sit, we will see what he does in camp but it is hard to blame him for what he tried to do to carry that horrible team on his back.

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have him be a game manager for 2 years then unleash him

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14 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

He was the only one on the team that could make a play.  He made huge plays all year by not throwing it away and throwing it down the field.  The offensive line was horrid.

 

Sure, and that can be developed. He needs to learn when taking a sack or throwing the ball away is better than playing hero ball. I'm like YPP, I watched a lot of film and convinced myself he can be great. The warts are still there though. I think his development will go a lot better if he's given some time in the film room and working on his mechanics before he sees the field.

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4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Sure, and that can be developed. He needs to learn when taking a sack or throwing the ball away is better than playing hero ball. I'm like YPP, I watched a lot of film and convinced myself he can be great. The warts are still there though. I think his development will go a lot better if he's given some time in the film room and working on his mechanics before he sees the field.

I honestly believe he made those plays because he knew the team was horrible around him.  Once he gets around more talent that doesn't need him to do everything on offense, he will limit those types of plays.  He won't be constantly leaned on to make something out of nothing all the time.  

 

 

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50 minutes ago, Ifartalot said:

Also coming up this week to talk Bills football on WGR:

 

Joe Blow from "IHaveaFootballWebsite.com" , Josh Kidding of "AskMeAnythingNFL.com"  and Tony Bagadonuts of "PigskinBreakfast.com". 

 

Have you been to pigskinbreakfast.com?  Amazing site.

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54 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:

My initial reaction was while Allen had the most upside he had the most bust potential. And Rosen had the lowest floor and was the most pro ready right now.   

 

Forget Rosen, he's not a Bill.  I'm hoping Daboll can develop Allen into our answer for the next 15 years. 

 

Yeah the QB the Browns drafted has no risk written all over him.  

 

Rosen isn't the most pro ready - stop believing what people say.    

 

"most bust potential" - what a load of garbage

31 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Open the tweet, it's the start of a much longer thread of other Josh Allen film. It starts out with a lot of the bad and eventually gets to the really good. Watching this film I came away more convinced that he needs to sit most of this year. A Peterman-esque 5 interception game is definitely possible if he goes in too early.

 

You've concluded he needs to sit most of the year, huh?  

 

So when do you think he'll be ready?  Is it one game past the half way point?

 

What do you need to see from him in practice to allow him to play in a game?

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9 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

Yeah the QB the Browns drafted has no risk written all over him.  

 

Rosen isn't the most pro ready - stop believing what people say.    

 

"most bust potential" - what a load of garbage

 

You've concluded he needs to sit most of the year, huh?  

 

So when do you think he'll be ready?  Is it one game past the half way point?

 

What do you need to see from him in practice to allow him to play in a game?

That was actually my opinion, not what people said.  I thought he was more pro ready than Mayfield.   So not gonna apologize for it.   But i also said forget Rosen he's not a Bill.  I have been on board with Allen since we took him.  But i'm not going to go back and pretend i didn't have other opinions before the draft.  

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32 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

Not sure if he processes fast enough. Everything seems late. People blame it on other factors, but I don't like doing that. 

 

 

I watched every game of his and I really didn't come away with the feeling that he struggled to read the defense or progress through his reads. Although, I did find it much more difficult to analyze his play as opposed to, say, Rosen. His plays were designed to go downfield much more than Rosen, the offensive line was awful (even for the division level they were at), and his offensive skill players were not much better, if at all. I think he had very little trust in his offensive line, for good reason, and it affected his processing and decision making the same as any other QB in the same situation. Even in those instances when it looked like there wasn't enough pressure to cause him to hurry his throws, not set up properly, or to move from the pocket - it was hard to determine if that was due to his lack of proficiency at processing / poor mechanics, or just plain lack of trust in his line from experience. I guess that is why there is such a diversity of opinions about him.

 

I really am looking forward to seeing how he progresses. Ideally, I would like for him to have the opportunity sit for a while; however, I also don't believe he is as much of a project as some believe. Just my opinion. Let's hope for the best.

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21 minutes ago, White Linen said:

You've concluded he needs to sit most of the year, huh?  

 

So when do you think he'll be ready?  Is it one game past the half way point?

 

What do you need to see from him in practice to allow him to play in a game?

 

I see this is a sensitive subject for you. I'm not going to ignore what I see on the tape. I don't want Allen starting until proper muscle memory is ingrained. I won't be in his practices or film room so I won't be able to make that decision. The way the Bills are talking about him I think they value his white board skills more than his mechanics. In other words they'll give him the starting job if and when he shows that he grasps the playbook, then they'll let him figure out the other stuff on the job. I don't agree with that philosophy but maybe it will work. When Beane says Allen isn't raw I think he means that Allen comes from a pro style offense and can run one immediately.

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27 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Have you been to pigskinbreakfast.com?  Amazing site.

No, but after I thought I had made it up, I wondered maybe that be a real website.

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